Obama Health care Reform

[lone wolf]

Probably has? Don't I hear Shrek calling for a Donkey?

If we are expected to accept your ravings as gospel, why wouldn't I believe the military health plan was Government Issue and stayed there?

 

[EagleSmack]

EagleSmack probably has a Cadillac plan paid for by the military, so he presumably is not bothered by how many people don’t have any kind of insurance. And indeed, those with Cadillac plan do receive the best health care in the world, so I can understand their ‘I am all right, Jack’ attitude.

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Oh yeah. I'm a General. :lol:

 

[Avro]

The Military, Police, and Firefighters are run by themselves. The Military answers to the government. Police and fire answer to the mayors, selectmen, etc.

Do you think Congress knows how to "run" the military? :lol:

So the government has no say in what the military does? Or the police? Or fire fighters?

I don't think that is true at all and you know it isn't.

Long story... you wouldn't get it.

Well I can tell you I have had experiences in both public and private and know of others who have as well.

I am willing to describe them if you are.

Plus, could you address why reform isn't neccessary given the problems you have with coverage and run away costs.

 

[EagleSmack]

So the government has no say in what the military does? Or the police? Or fire fighters?

I don't think that is true at all and you know it isn't.

Well...do you ever see the mayor directing firemen during a fire?

Do you ever see Congressmen commanding platoons of soldiers?

Plus, could you address why reform isn't neccessary given the problems you have with coverage and run away costs.

If the plan is so good...why is Congress exempt? Why can't we have their plan? Why don't they give up their plan for the new plan that is so good and so needed?

This isn't about reform, it is about power and the chance to say...

"We did it! It sucks and nobody wants it...but we can claim a political victory!"

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If the plan is so good...why is Congress exempt? Why can't we have their plan? Why don't they give up their plan for the new plan that is so good and so needed?

This isn't about reform, it is about power and the chance to say...

"We did it! It sucks and nobody wants it...but we can claim a political victory!"

I don’t think it is a good plan, EagleSmack. A really good plan would be single payer, or at least with a strong, robust public option. This is the best can be done taking into account the realities in the Congress, the best one that has a reasonable chance of passing.

As to why Congress is exempt, I assume they have a Cadillac plan, why should they swap a Cadillac plan for this one? If you had a Cadillac plan (and you say you don’t, I will take your word for it), would you swap it with this plan?

 

[Avro]

Well...do you ever see the mayor directing firemen during a fire?

Do you ever see Congressmen commanding platoons of soldiers?

Well I have never seen a member of Parliament tell a doctor or nurse how to perform an operation or prescribe medication.

If the plan is so good...why is Congress exempt? Why can't we have their plan? Why don't they give up their plan for the new plan that is so good and so needed?

This isn't about reform, it is about power and the chance to say...

"We did it! It sucks and nobody wants it...but we can claim a political victory!

You said reform wasn't needed, now if you object to what is being proposed that is different but it's not what you stated.

You:
Why reform something that doesn't need reforming?

Would you like to explain why the military treatment is inferior to the private one?

 

[EagleSmack]

I don’t think it is a good plan, EagleSmack. A really good plan would be single payer, or at least with a strong, robust public option. This is the best can be done taking into account the realities in the Congress, the best one that has a reasonable chance of passing.

Then why are they hell bent on passing it?

Just to say they did...and that is all.

As to why Congress is exempt, I assume they have a Cadillac plan, why should they swap a Cadillac plan for this one? If you had a Cadillac plan (and you say you don’t, I will take your word for it), would you swap it with this plan?

Hypocrites aren't they?

Good enough for us...not them.

 

[Avro]

Then why are they hell bent on passing it?

Just to say they did...and that is all.

Why? It's better than what you have now.

It should reduce costs and guarentee that every american has some sort of coverage.

Hypocrites aren't they?

Good enough for us...not them.

Tell me, how does this change your healthcare?

Will it be worse?

I have a strong feeling many Americans have been poorly informed about what this plan actually means.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Then why are they hell bent on passing it?

Just to say they did...and that is all.

I already answered that. That is the best can can be passed in the Congress.

Hypocrites aren't they?

Good enough for us...not them.

I don't see where the hypocrisy comes into it, that is human nature. As I said, if you ahd a cadillac plan, would you give it up for this?

 

[EagleSmack]

I already answered that. That is the best can can be passed in the Congress.



I don't see where the hypocrisy comes into it, that is human nature. As I said, if you ahd a cadillac plan, would you give it up for this?

I wouldn't make others have a crappy plan...then again I am not a liberal either. They do that a lot.

That is why they are hypocrites

 

[EagleSmack]

Well I have never seen a member of Parliament tell a doctor or nurse how to perform an operation or prescribe medication.

The topic is Health Care. They are revamping health care.

You said reform wasn't needed, now if you object to what is being proposed that is different but it's not what you stated.

You:
Why reform something that doesn't need reforming?

Reform is not needed and I object to what they are proposing. Really simple and shouldn't be that hard to understand.

Would you like to explain why the military treatment is inferior to the private one?

Nah. Too long to explain and you can't seem to grasp the simple stuff.

 

[JLM]

I wouldn't make others have a crappy plan...then again I am not a liberal either. They do that a lot.

That is why they are hypocrites

Hypocrisy is NOT a political trait- it is a human trait and includes pretty well all of us, sometimes coming under the heading of changing one's mind.
That's why I always say "nothing I say today can be used against me tomorrow" :lol::lol:

 

[pgs]

And what exactly has any of this to do with health care.Stay on or close to topic please,i already read all this on another thread.

 

[JLM]

And what exactly has any of this to do with health care.Stay on or close to topic please,i already read all this on another thread.

A lot, it was a snag that popped up in the thread that was jeopardising the flow of the thread and had to be honed down. Maybe you don't understand about threads- like in a thread on "fishing", hooks and worms and boats can emerge & there's nothing wrong with that. Right S.J.?

 

[pgs]

A lot, it was a snag that popped up in the thread that was jeopardising the flow of the thread and had to be honed down. Maybe you don't understand about threads- like in a thread on "fishing", hooks and worms and boats can emerge & there's nothing wrong with that. Right S.J.?

I think you must have missed the deleted posts.

 

[JLM]

I think you must have missed the deleted posts.

Anything is possible- I haven't been on here much today.

 

[EagleSmack]

Well one good thing is that I won't have to pay for this Health Care plan. Senator Kerry, as a condition to him voting yes recieved $500 Million in federal funding for Massachusetts Medicare which will offset any costs to the state if this new plan goes through.

However, other states who blindly gave their approval without having the political savvy of seasoned Senators are about to take a big hit if this plan gets passed.

Thanks Senator Kerry.

 

[ironsides]

If I am not mistaken, this $500 million will remain in the Medicare fund, they are just going to make 40+ or so people who are not now eligible, eligible. I wouldn't be counting your money yet, that money will probably go into shoring up a very weak state treasury due to the health plan Mass. already has.

 

[EagleSmack]

If I am not mistaken, this $500 million will remain in the Medicare fund, they are just going to make 40+ or so people who are not now eligible, eligible. I wouldn't be counting your money yet, that money will probably go into shoring up a very weak state treasury due to the health plan Mass. already has.

That is possibly true. Very rarely does earmarked money go to what is intended, particularly in Massachusetts.

I can remember the people of Massachusetts voting in a cigarette tax whereas ALL the money from the tax will go into educating us all on the dangers of smoking, as if we don't know. The Anti-Smoking folks assured us all that is what the new tax is for and the state representatives voiced their approval. Nevertheless the tax money was collected into the state treasury and a few commercials were played for a short time. The Anti-Smoking Groups stomped their feet in protest to no avail, as the Democrat dominated legislature smiled as they seized yet another new tax for their own gains. I have not seen a No Smoking ad in quite some time, yet the tax is still there.

 

[Avro]

The topic is Health Care. They are revamping health care.

I know that, but you said the government screws things up and I gave you examples of government run services that perform well.

So back to it. Why can't the government handle health care when it can clearly run other services well?

Reform is not needed and I object to what they are proposing. Really simple and shouldn't be that hard to understand.

Okay, so you think a system that has 50 million without any coverage, has run away costs and contributes to over 50% of personal bankuptcies is okay.

That's all you had to say in the beginning.

Nah. Too long to explain and you can't seem to grasp the simple stuff.

Well dumb it down for me then. If I don't get something I'll ask some questions.