Woods' wife used golf club to free him from SUV

[Francis2004]

Twenty years ago I'd have agreed with you 100%, but knowing so many very intelligent people (in my own family included) who have got derailed and who hurt, sometimes I wonder if there aren't forces at work that I don't understand and neither do the victims. With some it's a form of mental illness, if the deficiency was due to heart disease or cancer, we wouldn't be so fast to condemn them. AS a person with medical connections S.J.- what say you?

Having grown up around alcohol ( my father being an alcoholic ) and depression ( my mother had severe depression problems ) all my life, I can give somewhat of a educated guess..

At 27 I was diagnosed as depressive and did something about it as I cannot take anti-depressive medication. This means that up to today, motivating myself the old fashion way by doing positive things when times are tough, is the only way for me to get out of it.

At 30 I stopped drinking completely knowing I was going to start a family.. At 18 ( Quebec ) my first introduction to alcohol was drinking a 40 oncer of Vodka. Now most of my life I never drank a lots ( 2 to 3 drinks a night was the norm ) but could tie one on if I wanted to ( drunk nights we easy 30 drinks ) without passing out or throwing up..

The last 18 years I have had half a glass of wine at Christmas time and that's all..

The choices we make in our lives are ours, not others and illness can be overcome.

I don't care if people drink, do minor drugs or what ever, so I don't preach, as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family.

But don't use it as an excuse for anything.

 

[talloola]

Oh, I wasn't talking about his success, I was talking about his image. They're two slightly different things.[/quotehe would have no image without his success.

 

[talloola]

Having grown up around alcohol ( my father being an alcoholic ) and depression ( my mother had severe depression problems ) all my life, I can give somewhat of a educated guess..

At 27 I was diagnosed as depressive and did something about it as I cannot take anti-depressive medication. This means that up to today, motivating myself the old fashion way by doing positive things when times are tough, is the only way for me to get out of it.

At 30 I stopped drinking completely knowing I was going to start a family.. At 18 ( Quebec ) my first introduction to alcohol was drinking a 40 oncer of Vodka. Now most of my life I never drank a lots ( 2 to 3 drinks a night was the norm ) but could tie one on if I wanted to ( drunk nights we easy 30 drinks ) without passing out or throwing up..

The last 18 years I have had half a glass of wine at Christmas time and that's all..

The choices we make in our lives are ours, not others and illness can be overcome.

I don't care if people drink, do minor drugs or what ever, so I don't preach, as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family.

But don't use it as an excuse for anything.

I agree, and good on you for toughing it out, the old fashioned way,with hard work and determination.

 

[AnnaG]

lol That's the trouble with having humans as heroes. A lot of the time, the more you know about your hero, the less heroic they become.

 

[Francis2004]

I agree, and good on you for toughing it out, the old fashioned way,with hard work and determination.

Thank You.. I never really think about it.. Its just how I am..

 

[karrie]

he would have no image without his success.

true, but, plenty of successful people don't have a media image. His image, the image wolf alluded to, is not entirely his doing. It's also a product of media expectation, marketing expectation, and social pressure. Not just something 'he made'.

 

[Francis2004]

not at all. Tiger Woods was a brilliant golfer as a child

This is true.. He was gifted with golf.. It came naturally to him..

I remember when he had his first bad spell of games after breaking in and everyone wondered if he was the "gifted one" everyone had talked about.

Again he only showed he was human.. That is my point about Tiger..

 

[JLM]

Having grown up around alcohol ( my father being an alcoholic ) and depression ( my mother had severe depression problems ) all my life, I can give somewhat of a educated guess..

At 27 I was diagnosed as depressive and did something about it as I cannot take anti-depressive medication. This means that up to today, motivating myself the old fashion way by doing positive things when times are tough, is the only way for me to get out of it.

At 30 I stopped drinking completely knowing I was going to start a family.. At 18 ( Quebec ) my first introduction to alcohol was drinking a 40 oncer of Vodka. Now most of my life I never drank a lots ( 2 to 3 drinks a night was the norm ) but could tie one on if I wanted to ( drunk nights we easy 30 drinks ) without passing out or throwing up..

The last 18 years I have had half a glass of wine at Christmas time and that's all..

The choices we make in our lives are ours, not others and illness can be overcome.

I don't care if people drink, do minor drugs or what ever, so I don't preach, as long as it doesn't hurt me or my family.

But don't use it as an excuse for anything.

I hear you Francis. As a pretty stubborn guy with a bit of will power and who believes in dealing with problems head on, I don't fully understand the problem with people who can't but at the same time I cut them a little slack because I don't understand.

 

[talloola]

true, but, plenty of successful people don't have a media image. His image, the image wolf alluded to, is not entirely his doing. It's also a product of media expectation, marketing expectation, and social pressure. Not just something 'he made'.

Of course not, I realize that. With all the success comes the money,and comes the endorsements, and comes the fan following, and alongwith that the image, BUT that image can be many things, and if acelebrity, sports or otherwise comes off as an arrogant twit, or arude person in interviews, the fans will come down on them. Hisimage, created by him, presented himself as a intelligent, polite,in control person, who was very vigilant in his training, and veryfamily oriented, his parents were always present early on, when hewas younger, and out came the squeaky clean image, no one but himpresented that to the world. The media and the sponsors feed off ofthat for their own gain.

 

[talloola]

I read a statement in the paper today by one of the women who tigerhad an affair with for 18 months. She described how their sex waswild and how good he was in bed, and how she went to his family home,many times, and asked him if it was OK to be there, and he said thatit was fine his wife was visiting family in Sweden. She said shesaw pictures scattered all over of his wife and children, and wonderedabout that. Then there are all of the other women as well.Now he has issued a statement saying that he is taking an indefiniteleave of absence to do everything he can to save his marriage.If this marriage continues, it must have to be a completely differentarrangement, as, how can his wife pick up where they left off and continue on, she will have to find a way to live with him with somekind of agreement for the sake of keeping the family together, butI will never believe that 'every time' she has sex with him, shewon't think about all of the times he did that with all of thosewomen, it's just human nature. How does one move on from that.This went on for a number of years, 'not just a mistake', but a planned'other' life for a long time.This marriage is a 'young' marriage, with two little children, ithasn't even had a chance. No one can tell me she will stay for the money, I won't believe that, becauseshe will have lots of money, staying or leaving.He can't quit golfing for good, as that is what he is, 'a professionalgolfer, like no other before him, not just one of the golfers onthe tour, but THE golfer on the tour, he is the tour.Just interested in how others view the situation as above, not justfrom men, who 'make light' of his adventures, but from those who takeit seriously.

 

[JLM]

I read a statement in the paper today by one of the women who tigerhad an affair with for 18 months. She described how their sex waswild and how good he was in bed, and how she went to his family home,many times, and asked him if it was OK to be there, and he said thatit was fine his wife was visiting family in Sweden. She said shesaw pictures scattered all over of his wife and children, and wonderedabout that. Then there are all of the other women as well.Now he has issued a statement saying that he is taking an indefiniteleave of absence to do everything he can to save his marriage.If this marriage continues, it must have to be a completely differentarrangement, as, how can his wife pick up where they left off and continue on, she will have to find a way to live with him with somekind of agreement for the sake of keeping the family together, butI will never believe that 'every time' she has sex with him, shewon't think about all of the times he did that with all of thosewomen, it's just human nature. How does one move on from that.This went on for a number of years, 'not just a mistake', but a planned'other' life for a long time.This marriage is a 'young' marriage, with two little children, ithasn't even had a chance. No one can tell me she will stay for the money, I won't believe that, becauseshe will have lots of money, staying or leaving.He can't quit golfing for good, as that is what he is, 'a professionalgolfer, like no other before him, not just one of the golfers onthe tour, but THE golfer on the tour, he is the tour.Just interested in how others view the situation as above, not justfrom men, who 'make light' of his adventures, but from those who takeit seriously.

The guy must have an ego the size of an elephant. Maybe an appendage the same size :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[talloola]

The guy must have an ego the size of an elephant. Maybe an appendage the same size :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I wouldn't be surprised if a picture of 'that' doesn't show up sometimesoon too.

 

[JLM]

I wouldn't be surprised if a picture of 'that' doesn't show up sometimesoon too.

Yep, a picture would probably be worth TEN thousand of Tiger's words.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

Tiger woulda been alright if he'da kept his balls out of the rough.

 

[lone wolf]

My how times have changed. Just a few decades ago he would have been patted on the back and cheered....

...but then there would have been all those negative stereotypes too....

 

[Liberalman]

Tiger Woods has decided not to play golf for a while.

Someone told me a long time ago that visible minorities who fall from a high plateau in their lives the white vultures of the media are there constantly ripping the flesh from their bones where a white hero are always portrayed as the victims in the media.

Just look at O.J. and Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods.

Seems that in the United States of America the south did win the Civil War because Afro-Americans have been persecuted in the media for more than a hundred years and it will not end with Tiger.

 

[JLM]

Tiger Woods has decided not to play golf for a while.

Someone told me a long time ago that visible minorities who fall from a high plateau in their lives the white vultures of the media are there constantly ripping the flesh from their bones where a white hero are always portrayed as the victims in the media.

Just look at O.J. and Michael Jackson and Tiger Woods.

Seems that in the United States of America the south did win the Civil War because Afro-Americans have been persecuted in the media for more than a hundred years and it will not end with Tiger.

Do you think possibly O.J. brought his problems on himself?

 

[Kreskin]

I read a statement in the paper today by one of the women who tigerhad an affair with for 18 months. She described how their sex waswild and how good he was in bed, and how she went to his family home,many times, and asked him if it was OK to be there, and he said thatit was fine his wife was visiting family in Sweden. She said shesaw pictures scattered all over of his wife and children, and wonderedabout that. Then there are all of the other women as well.Now he has issued a statement saying that he is taking an indefiniteleave of absence to do everything he can to save his marriage.If this marriage continues, it must have to be a completely differentarrangement, as, how can his wife pick up where they left off and continue on, she will have to find a way to live with him with somekind of agreement for the sake of keeping the family together, butI will never believe that 'every time' she has sex with him, shewon't think about all of the times he did that with all of thosewomen, it's just human nature. How does one move on from that.This went on for a number of years, 'not just a mistake', but a planned'other' life for a long time.This marriage is a 'young' marriage, with two little children, ithasn't even had a chance. No one can tell me she will stay for the money, I won't believe that, becauseshe will have lots of money, staying or leaving.He can't quit golfing for good, as that is what he is, 'a professionalgolfer, like no other before him, not just one of the golfers onthe tour, but THE golfer on the tour, he is the tour.Just interested in how others view the situation as above, not justfrom men, who 'make light' of his adventures, but from those who takeit seriously.

He will not change. Maybe for a few months, but like you said he has a planned different life going on here (not just a one-mistake 'transgression'). I would be very surprised if they lasted together more than year if she decides to stay and give him a second chance.

They should break it off now. He can get back to golfing and boinking and she can find a life with someone more suitable.

 

[JLM]

He will not change. Maybe for a few months, but like you said he has a planned different life going on here (not just a one-mistake 'transgression'). I would be very surprised if they lasted together more than year if she decides to stay and give him a second chance.

They should break it off now. He can get back to golfing and boinking and she can find a life with someone more suitable.

I'm inclined to agree, once in a blue moon, people do wake up and see the light. It all boils down to what he values most.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

He will not change. Maybe for a few months, but like you said he has a planned different life going on here (not just a one-mistake 'transgression'). I would be very surprised if they lasted together more than year if she decides to stay and give him a second chance.

They should break it off now. He can get back to golfing and boinking and she can find a life with someone more suitable.

Kreskin, as I understand, they had a prenuptial agreement. She has to stay with him for ten years. If she gets a divorce after 10 years, she walks away with 20 million $. That is 2 million $ a year salary for being his wife, not a bad deal at all. But if she leaves before that, she gets a lot less.

So it wouldn’t surprise me if they stay together for ten years (unless she can get a smart lawyer to get the prenup nullified).