The Miracles of Christ
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Not sure what that is but I am no longer involved in that problem. The farm is 450 miles away from here. By some quirk of circumstance though, I still own 1/8th of it. One of the original 8 owners is now living there and maybe he is enjoying the beavers' company. Who knows?8O;-)
People have thoughts about all kinds of things. 85,00o would fit in with reality, though. The rough estimates are about as good as you'll get and they say somewhere between 7,0000 and 105,000 years old. The legible glyphs are about 4000 years old. It's pretty tough to determine the age of the stone the sphinx is carved from and it could be a lot older than you said, but the carving being that old is extremely unlikely.
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Wrong. Basically, someone is clinically dead when there are no detectable signs of life.
Clinically dead - definition of Clinically dead in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Understanding Brain Death - Department of Surgery - Miller School of Medicine at the University of Miami
Yeah, zombies. You have not much of a sense of humor, have you?
So would any of the people in the 'clinics' be dead if they were 'outside'. A person who drowns and stops breathing can be coaxed into breathing on their own via a breath from a living person. If you want to classify them as dead fine, I classify them as being out of breath, if given a breath and they begin to breath on their own then they never were dead. If they fail to ever take another breath on their own they are dead. A clinic can keep a person alive only until they have no electricity to run the life giving equipment.
Your version of a zombie doesn't exist, the twice dead have never had breath. Having never had it, it can never be taken away so they can never die (motionless and in the grave). The angel of death that was the last plague before the exodus, that is an example of an immortal being (no breath but still able to do things that have a defined objective) . That same being is not beyond control as they can also be sent to a place that they cannot come back from. Once there they would exibit all the characteristics of being 'alive' (5 senses but no breath). The twice dead can appear in the form of a person but why would they when they can appear as being much more powerful. Ancient Egyptian art has artwork that depicts a similar situation. The biggest being has the whip. In the case of the twice dead all that art and all those inscriptions are there as a memorial to the twice dead who actually were that tall and a whole lot bigger. The little guys pulling the blocks around are normal humans. The twice dead are presently bound deep within the earth (in rock ). When released 4 can kill a great many men in a single day, and they can do it day after day after day. If those types of zombies were shown via Hollywood how many would leave the theater laughing since in every single variation of the movie it is the zombies that are winning.
I agree herald, here we have common belief. Judgement comes as sure as sure can be. There are those among us who shiver and quake in anticipatory joy at the final devastating judegements to be brought down with the crushing majesty of god the one onto the heads of the unrepentant. These too are lost souls herald. Welcome to the club, you will join us in our superheated writhing in the infinite burning pit. We will judge ourselves hard done by and have nothing but contempt for our company in all of eternity.;-)
The weird stuff is best reserved for comic books and video games. Faith is a personal preference. They who can't be trusted with independent thought become addicted to thinking by someone else's numbers
I for one, won't be holding my breath till then. If this "day of judgement" is anything like the return of Christ, then no-one need fear anything.
Not really, I have trouble keeping up with the various definitions though. Nobody has recently come back from the death, that is as simple as it gets. Why do you think they call it a near-death experience, the big hint is in the word 'near'.
Several people have been pulled from very cold water that should have ended their life due to time under water. There were certainly no signs of life when pulled from the water yet the proper medical procedures can revive them, even in that situation they had not been dead, damn close but close is not past the point of no return.
Depends on who I'm talking to and what the subject is. Do I find you or Anna to be humerous, not really, more like condescending know-it-alls that are correct in every aspect of every post they make while anybody that disagrees with you are basically idiots. That part I do find to be quite funny.
I think I will, actually. Might as well. In the extremely unlikely event that your expectations are correct, by that point I'll already be condemned for all time anyway, nothing could possibly make things any worse for me. What more can god do, condemn me for all time plus two weeks? Frankly I think any deity who'd condemn any of his creatures for using the brains he presumably gave them and insisting on better evidence than the deity seems willing to provide before accepting any of the nonsense you claim is true, isn't worthy of unconditional admiration. In fact as I read the book what strikes me most about him is that he's a liar, a bully, and a cheat.
Just on the chance that we don't end up as worm food, how many people are going to be disappointed on that great day when they go present themselves before the maker, knock on the Pearly Gates ... and St Peter answers : Moo-oo?
Yeah, she's a bit of a crap shoot- we just can't be takin' any chances.........:lol::lol::lol:
Nice attempt to blame God for your woes.
Lets say things remain the same spiritually for you until His return. You wouldn't qualify for resurrection (if dead)/ being gathered (if alive) for the first phase of salvation (kingdom of heaven and eternal life). That means for the rest of that phase you are in the grave sleeping. That is where you would be just for being a non-believer, if you actively persecuted and murdered anybody you do not get to sleep, you are awake and in a place where you are the victim of all sorts of abuses and pains. During that time on the Earth preparations are under way for the final battle with all the remaining satanic forces. The that Christ put away at His coming are exempt from punishment at that time because they are still in their respective places. After their destruction you would be awakened at the place where the Great White Throne is for the event called Judgment Day. When you are resurrected you are free of sin and all debts to God are paid in full. The past is past and you get an offer to drink some water that includes eternal life providing you agree to not do certain things. It is at this point you can mock God or tell Him off or do whatever you care to do to put Him in His place. Now you can go to the lake and every bit of the choice was yours.
That's the whole point of putting people into graves, it erases all past sins. The punishment for sin is death, death pays for all sins, when made alive again no past sins are attached. Your appearance at Judgment Day is like the ones described as this,
"clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;". All you have to do is do anything in this list and you get your wish if the lake is really what you want., "earful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and *****mongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars,"
Let me guess, if anybody has a different view they are dolts because your version is the only possible version.
That's not blaming god, that's just a simple statement of fact: if herald's expectations turn out to be correct, that's the state I'll be in, by my own choice, and it'll be too late for me. And I've made that choice because if this deity is as people like herald claim he is, I have no respect for him. But I don't believe he exists, so the point is moot, and I'm prepared to take my chances that you and herald are wrong and I'm right.
As usual, you guess wrong. I don't think people who disagree with me are dolts, and as far as I know I've never said any such thing, I simply think they're wrong. If they get truculent about their disagreement, as many of them do, I might think they're dolts, but that's just because of their style, not the substance of their beliefs. People can be wrong without being jerks about it.
Herald is just putting himself in the position of missing phase 1 just by making a judgment call about who goes to the lake. Your thoughts about God being like this (a liar, a bully, and a cheat) didn't come from what Harald said, those thoughts have been with you longer than I have known you.
The bible is wrong about many things. Take this Moses guy and his commandments.
He actually had eleven not ten. When he stumbled down the mountain he dropped the eleventh. Al Gore recently found it (or so he said), chiseled into the stone were these words......."just kidding about he first ten", God.
He actually had eleven not ten. When he stumbled down the mountain he dropped the eleventh. Al Gore recently found it (or so he said), chiseled into the stone were these words......."just kidding about he first ten", God.
