The Miracles of Christ

AnnaG

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Well, I don't know what's wrong. I tried highlighting and copying, then using tiny pic. Anyway there were 3 pics of Chinese dragon dances and two pics of komodo dragons.
 

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Well, I don't know what's wrong. I tried highlighting and copying, then using tiny pic. Anyway there were 3 pics of Chinese dragon dances and two pics of komodo dragons.
I can see your dragons, Anna. I couldn't get mine to load until I posted it on Photobucket.
 

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A little honey will catch the flies sooner or later you know.
You do know that the fly dies in that situation and just why would anybody want a lot of dead flies.
It is the words in the Bible that is the honey and nobody is keeping it away from anybody, other than that those people themselves.
 

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1......Water turned into wine. John 2:6-10.
2......Nobleman's son healed. John 4:46-53.
3......Centurion's servant healed. Matt 9:5-13.
4......Draughts of fish. Lu 5:4-6;John 21:6.
5......Devils cast out. Matt 8:28-32;9:32,33;15:22-28;17:14-18;Mk 1:23-27.
6......Peter's wife's mother healed. Matt 8:14,15.
7......Lepers cleansed. Matt 8:3;Lu 17:14.
8......Paralytic healed. Mk 2:3-12.
9......Withered hand restored. Matt 12:10-13.
10....Impotent man healed. John 5:5-9.
11....The dead raised to life. Matt 9:18;Lu 7:12-15;John 11:11-44.
12....Issue of blood stopped. Matt 9:20-22.
13....The blind restored to sight. Matt 9:27-30;Mk 8:22-25;John 9:1-7.
14....The deaf and mute healed. Mk 7:32-35.
15....The multitude fed. Matt 14:15-21;15:32-38.
16....Jesus walking on the sea. Matt14:25-27.
17....Peter walking on the sea. Matt 14:29.
18....Tempest stilled. Matt 8:23-26;14:32.
19....Sudden arrival of the ship. John 6:21.
20....Tribute money. Matt 17:27.
21....Woman healed of infirmity. Lu 13:11-13.
22....Dropsy cured. Lu 14:2-4.
23....Fig tree blighted. Matt 21:19.
24....Malchus healed. Lu 22:50,51.
25....Performed before the messengers of John. Lu 7:21,22.
26....Many and diverse diseases healed. Matt 4:23,24;14:14;15:30;Mk 1:34;Lu 6:17-19.
27....Jesus's transfiguration. Matt 17:1-8.
28....His resurrection. Lu 24:6;John 10:18.
29....His appearance to the disciples, the door being shut. John 20:19.
30....His ascension. Acts 1:9.

Courtesy of the MacArthur Study Bible.

31....Creation. John 3:3.

Were all these accounts written a hundred years after the fact and their old minds didn't remember all the details?
 

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How do you get people living 100's of years without any God? BTW the 4 Gospels could have been written in full by the time the 40 days after His resurrection were over and certainly by the time Peter had the vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.
It's one thing to have doubts simply because there is nothing but some words in a Book, it seems to be a different situation when false 'facts' have to be introduced in order for doubt to exist.
 

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How do you get people living 100's of years without any God? BTW the 4 Gospels could have been written in full by the time the 40 days after His resurrection were over and certainly by the time Peter had the vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.
It's one thing to have doubts simply because there is nothing but some words in a Book, it seems to be a different situation when false 'facts' have to be introduced in order for doubt to exist.

I don't know how much truth there is in the Bible. Is there a compelling reason/proof that it would be any more credible than "Alice in Wonderland"?
 

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You're doom is just.

The Herald of Doom!

 

Cliffy

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How do you get people living 100's of years without any God? BTW the 4 Gospels could have been written in full by the time the 40 days after His resurrection were over and certainly by the time Peter had the vision to take the Gospel to the Gentiles.
It's one thing to have doubts simply because there is nothing but some words in a Book, it seems to be a different situation when false 'facts' have to be introduced in order for doubt to exist.
Perhaps you should read Zackariah Sichen's 12th Planet. He explains the guys who were hundreds of years old rather clearly. As for the Gospels being written within 48 days of the mythical resurrection, now who is dealing in fairy tales?
 

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How would you define something like the event described below? ...
I woke up...
I'd define it as a vivid dream. I'd also note that about 17 years elapsed between the event and you recording it, which is plenty of time for your mind to construct additional details consistent with things you want to believe about yourself and the nature of reality. Read this for instance. And if you can't be bothered, here are some of the key sentences about the accuracy of memory:

Studies on memory have shown that we often construct our memories after the fact, that we are susceptible to suggestions from others that help us fill in the gaps in our memories.

Another interesting fact about memory is that studies have shown that there is no significant correlation between the subjective feeling of certainty a person has about a memory and the memory being accurate

Furthermore, it is possible to create false memories in people's minds by suggestion, even false memories of previous lives. Memory is so malleable that we should be very cautious in claiming certainty about any given memory without corroborative evidence.

In other words, memory is not to be trusted.
 

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Perhaps you should read Zackariah Sichen's 12th Planet. He explains the guys who were hundreds of years old rather clearly. As for the Gospels being written within 48 days of the mythical resurrection, now who is dealing in fairy tales?
There is also a series called Gor that is run by some 'priest-kings' that look just like very large ants, what's your point. Both examples are references to books that were wrtten with making money the only object in sight. It would seem the writers of any of the 66 Books would seem to have given up things rather than being enriched during their actual lifetimes, some died. Know any other writers of fiction that would go that far?

As to when they were written ..... I assume you would agree that in reading them they would appear to be written in the 1st person rather than being something based on 'oral tales that happened in past generations. None of the 4 Gospels go past the resurrection and cover His departure 40 days later, that gives the earliest possible time they were written. Technically it adheres to certain verses also.

These two verses give the earliest time they could have started to write.

Joh:14:26:
But the Comforter,
which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.

Joh:20:21:
Then said Jesus to them again,
Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me,
even so send I you.
Joh:20:22:
And when he had said this,
he breathed on them,
and saith unto them,
Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

How retarded to try and say history shows they were written decades after the event and still try and say getting the 'WORD' out had any priority at all. If anything God has shown Humself to be quite punctual when it comes to dealing with promises, nor is He likely to be slack when given 'free reign'. How long between the eating of the forbidden fruit and when God first called out to them? How about an hour, that would qualify? It doesn't seem to have been a long time in that they were still childless.

No writer of the NT could have been under 30 when 1st called, add to that another 40 years (being called and the destruction in 70AD they would have been at least 70. Their ministry would be coming to an end, except the writer of John's 5 books.

The first 3 Gospels don't get into the details of events after the resurrection. John does and this verse is written while Jesus is still there. If reporting on the 'little things' then the bigger things like the departure in Acts would have been covered.

Joh:21:24:
This is the disciple which testifieth of these things,
and wrote these things:
and we know that his testimony is true.
Joh:21:25:
And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which,
if they should be written every one,
I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written.
Amen.