Poll:- life better now or in 1959?

[countryboy]

Can we thank Doctor Spock?

Only if one feels compelled to do so...:-|

 

[Mowich]

Just for the record, I'm a fan of all kinds of music...everything from country (the old, whiny type like Hank Williams) to big band to rock to folk to opera. One of my daughters is in fact an opera singer (in Toronto now) and the other one is a big band and Broadway music fanatic who also sings in Festivals because she loves it. And they vote Conservative and are proud of it. :lol:

Hank Williams, big band, rock 'n roll, so where is our all-time favorite - Celtic Thunder...huh....???:lol:

 

[TenPenny]

Hank Williams, big band, rock 'n roll, so where is our all-time favorite - Celtic Thunder...huh....???:lol:

Ashley MacIsaac...don't forget your rain coat, though.

 

[JLM]

"We have been through this before, JLM. There is no evidence for afterlife so the default position has to be that there is no afterlife. If anybody claims that there indeed is an afterlife, it is up to them to prove it."-

Yes we have been through this before but you are still not catching on. There is no default positon. Why should I have to prove there is an afterlife, yet you don't have to prove there is not? That is nothing short of pure unadulterated, crass arrogance. When someone does offer evidence to you, you jump on the anecdotal nonsense, yet you quote bibical publications ad infinitim. I don't know if there is an afterlife or not personally because I haven't yet been there but I would find it rather presumptuous to dismiss the literally hundred of piece of evidence that says there may well be. From what I can gather from what you say you find our justice system in this country satisfactory. So I will conclude my post here until I get confirmation on that last statement. Stay t;uned folks.................LOL

 

[countryboy]

Hank Williams, big band, rock 'n roll, so where is our all-time favorite - Celtic Thunder...huh....???:lol:

Oops, sorry - how could I forget that one? And Celtic Woman except I was trying to stay with actual music...There's a big difference between Thunder and Woman here! :lol:

 

[AnnaG]

Yep, suicide was illegal, a few years back - probably 30 or so now. What do you mean you couldn't be punished, we don't know that, a guy could wind up doing 10000 years in purgatory. There's probably more about this life and it's adjuncts that we don't know about than we do. WE don't want to be so short sighted that we think this short span of 70 years or so is the be all and end all. We simply don't know.

I think it was a law mostly for the benefit of insurance companies where the heir of a suicide couldn't benefit.

 

[countryboy]

"We have been through this before, JLM. There is no evidence for afterlife so the default position has to be that there is no afterlife. If anybody claims that there indeed is an afterlife, it is up to them to prove it."-

Yes we have been through this before but you are still not catching on. There is no default positon. Why should I have to prove there is an afterlife, yet you don't have to prove there is not? That is nothing short of pure unadulterated, crass arrogance. When someone does offer evidence to you, you jump on the anecdotal nonsense, yet you quote bibical publications ad infinitim. I don't know if there is an afterlife or not personally because I haven't yet been there but I would find it rather presumptuous to dismiss the literally hundred of piece of evidence that says there may well be. From what I can gather from what you say you find our justice system in this country satisfactory. So I will conclude my post here until I get confirmation on that last statement. Stay t;uned folks.................LOL

How could anyone question the existence of the afterlife? SJP doesn't watch "Ghost Whisperer?" :lol:

Seriously, there are lots of ways to dig into that one if one is inclined to do so. I suspect SJP would not be so inclined as he has made it clear that he knows everything he needs to know on that subject. And quite a few others.

A closed mind is a terrible thing. Especially for folks who claim to be so tolerant. I think the word is conundrum, is it not? Or is it paradox? Hell, I don't know...I'm not that smart. Maybe my mind is too open.

 

[countryboy]

I think it was a law mostly for the benefit of insurance companies where the heir of a suicide couldn't benefit.

In my old-fashioned and intolerant memory banks, there is a thought rolling around about "attempted" suicide being illegal. Can't remember if it was/is in Canada or somewhere else.

 

[lone wolf]

I know it could earn one a few days in a place with rock-crusher screens on the windows....

 

[AnnaG]

Before I read this I took S.J. to ask from the opposite angle. Kind of ironic. He doesn't accept swearing but yet he accepts it as one of the bad things that come with "progress". I'm mostly with you when it comes to swearing, but I'd be a hypocrite if I was very strict about it. I draw the line at refraining from doing it with an audience who tolerance is uncertain. If a woman swears a blue streak, then why not.

That's what judgement is for, it's a tool one can use to disciminate when something is appropriate and when not.

 

[countryboy]

I know it could earn one a few days in a place with rock-crusher screens on the windows....

Well that's what I thought too. Does anyone know if that was a law in Canada back in 1959? (In the interests of staying on topic here... :lol

 

[AnnaG]

So either way, ban on suicide was nonsense.

Unless you owned an insurance company.

 

[AnnaG]

How could anyone question the existence of the afterlife? SJP doesn't watch "Ghost Whisperer?" :lol:


Seriously, there are lots of ways to dig into that one if one is inclined to do so. I suspect SJP would not be so inclined as he has made it clear that he knows everything he needs to know on that subject. And quite a few others.

A closed mind is a terrible thing. Especially for folks who claim to be so tolerant. I think the word is conundrum, is it not? Or is it paradox? Hell, I don't know...I'm not that smart. Maybe my mind is too open.

Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: co·nun·drum
Pronunciation: \kə-ˈnən-drəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1645
1 : a riddle whose answer is or involves a pun
2 a : a question or problem having only a conjectural answer b : an intricate and difficult problem



Main Entry: par·a·dox
Pronunciation: \ˈper-ə-ˌdäks, ˈpa-rə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin paradoxum, from Greek paradoxon, from neuter of paradoxos contrary to expectation, from para- + dokein to think, seem — more at decent
Date: 1540
1 : a tenet contrary to received opinion
2 a : a statement that is seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is perhaps true b : a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true c : an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises
3 : one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases

 

[lone wolf]

Well that's what I thought too. Does anyone know if that was a law in Canada back in 1959? (In the interests of staying on topic here... :lol

Decriminalized in 1972

Suicide

 

[countryboy]

Merriam-Webster

Main Entry: co·nun·drum
Pronunciation: \kə-ˈnən-drəm\
Function: noun
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: 1645
1 : a riddle whose answer is or involves a pun
2 a : a question or problem having only a conjectural answer b : an intricate and difficult problem



Main Entry: par·a·dox
Pronunciation: \ˈper-ə-ˌdäks, ˈpa-rə-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin paradoxum, from Greek paradoxon, from neuter of paradoxos contrary to expectation, from para- + dokein to think, seem — more at decent
Date: 1540
1 : a tenet contrary to received opinion
2 a : a statement that is seemingly contradictory or opposed to common sense and yet is perhaps true b : a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true c : an argument that apparently derives self-contradictory conclusions by valid deduction from acceptable premises
3 : one (as a person, situation, or action) having seemingly contradictory qualities or phases

I guess they both fit then! Thanks for the facts...glad someone is on the job here with them...I usually lean toward "anecdotal" stuff and other assorted human/emotional trivial weaknesses.

 

[AnnaG]

Decriminalized in 1972

Suicide

lol I bet insurance companies were in a panic to amend their policies. roflmao

 

[countryboy]

Decriminalized in 1972

Suicide

Thanks for that! (I couldn't remember the facts)
Well, at least we know it's legal to kill yourself. Or at least try to.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Good morning SJP - Busy day here so will be in and out. This'll be short (for a change, and for the moment...!)

Well, not surprisingly, I think we have a difference of opinion here. I am not a fan of the Charter for a number of reasons, but perhaps the biggest one is that it left Trudeau's colleagues (lawyers) a huge opportunity to grow their profession, all the way to fighting drunk driving charges with the Charter. I fail to see the net benefit to society.

He also said the "F" word in the House of Commons.

I think his wife, Margaret (another colorful personality) has also said the ‘f’ word in public.

The biggest change that happened as a result of the Charter was that courts were able to overturn the laws passed by the Parliament if they violated the Charter, if they infringed upon basic human rights as defined by the Charter.

This led to considerable advancement of minority rights, of civil rights which otherwise may have taken decades to achieve. One of the prominent decisions was when the courts overturned Canada’s abortion law (and also the marriage laws, legalizing gay marriage).

I think the Charter very much has been a force to the good in Canada.

 

[AnnaG]

I think his wife, Margaret (another colorful personality) has also said the ‘f’ word in public.

The biggest change that happened as a result of the Charter was that courts were able to overturn the laws passed by the Parliament if they violated the Charter, if they infringed upon basic human rights as defined by the Charter.

This led to considerable advancement of minority rights, of civil rights which otherwise may have taken decades to achieve. One of the prominent decisions was when the courts overturned Canada’s abortion law (and also the marriage laws, legalizing gay marriage).

I think the Charter very much has been a force to the good in Canada.

Ditto. But I have a few reservations about a few of its applications.
Besides that, Trudeau wasn't all bad.

 

[countryboy]

I think his wife, Margaret (another colorful personality) has also said the ‘f’ word in public.

The biggest change that happened as a result of the Charter was that courts were able to overturn the laws passed by the Parliament if they violated the Charter, if they infringed upon basic human rights as defined by the Charter.

This led to considerable advancement of minority rights, of civil rights which otherwise may have taken decades to achieve. One of the prominent decisions was when the courts overturned Canada’s abortion law (and also the marriage laws, legalizing gay marriage).

I think the Charter very much has been a force to the good in Canada.

All that has "goodness" attached to it, of course. My concern lies with the fact that the collective minority rights may trump the rights of the majority, if they haven't already. Then who is right? Or left. Now I'm confused.

No wonder it takes armies of lawyers to figure out things that used to be simple before we became so liberated.

Any strength, carried to an extreme, becomes a weakness.