Poll:- life better now or in 1959?

lone wolf

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Well here's an opportunity that Elizabeth May could really get her teeth into. (Is she still the head Green?)

She could be kept busy for months, hammering out the details for a comprehensive auto recycling program for the country that would clean up the old car problems. One of the objectives of the program should be to make it possible for every car owner to put up their old car for recycling every 2 or 3 years, and get a brand new vehicle in return for their environmental stewardship. How to pay for it? Oh, don't get me started...I could think of many ways to cut government spending programs that would more than compensate for the cost. Hell, I'd bet we could come up with a net decrease in taxation and still be driving around in new cars all the time. You wanna' make it even more interesting? Specify that the program would be subsidized only for vehicles that meet stringent fuel specifications...like one of those hybrids. Crazy? Not nearly as crazy as some of the ways money is currently spent. C'mon Liz...jump on the cause! (I need a new car) ;-)

Um ... what do you have against people who can't afford new cars having a car? That's why I believe people who earn more than 75 grand a year shouldn't be allowed to run countries ... because they only give a damn about themselves and what they can afford. I'll continue driving my '95 Tercel until it runs no more.
 

countryboy

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Drive with your arm out the window in a Smart Car and the damned thing looks like a coffee mug....

But you have to pull your arm in when you come to a hill or else the wind resistance will slow it down or stop it. Gutless. I'm talking about a REAL hybrid that works like a real car. It's possible...and they could make them look like a '59 'Vette...now we're talking!
 

countryboy

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Um ... what do you have against people who can't afford new cars having a car? That's why I believe people who earn more than 75 grand a year shouldn't be allowed to run countries ... because they only give a damn about themselves and what they can afford. I'll continue driving my '95 Tercel until it runs no more.

Whoa, slow down here...Liz hasn't designed the program yet. And part of it would be the initial subsidizing of the first new car purchase up to and including 100% of the price, depending on the buyer's ability to pay. After that, the recycle/trade-in would be set at low enough prices so anyone and everyone could afford it. Hey, if we're serious about cleaning things up, saving fossil fuels, etc., then let's get at it. Canada is big, wide country and personal transportation should be a key foundation of the government's focus. What's the point of having a big country if you can get out and enjoy it, do business, visit friends and relatives, etc.

PS - I drive a '97 Olds and my plan is the same as yours...drive 'er until she drops!
 

AnnaG

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Well, I don't know why that bothers you - in 1959, there wasn't anything even dreamed up like an MRI. So you should be happy that there is a longer waiting list, because that takes you closer to your ideal.
It's a diagnostic tool, you know. If someone has something wrong, it's kind of nice to be able to have it diagnosed sometime in the same year you notice something wrong. It didn't take that long in 1959 for diagnoses. Waiting a year+ to just find out what's wrong with you is good?
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your husband seems to have died of a mildly ruptured spleen. We diagnosed it at autopsy with the MRI".
or
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your husband has a degenerative disk problem and if we'd have caught it in time, we could have done something, but we didn't have the MRI results till a year later. He'll be bed ridden for the rest of his life now."

It's pretty weak to suggest that life was worse because of the lack of some doodad or other when it hadn't been developed yet. Of course it would be better. I am not arguing that. I am arguing that if things were all that peachy, the MRIs would be done in a timely manner rather than somewhere down the timeline when the affliction has had time to get nice and comfortable. The technology is progress, the waiting is regression. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough before.
 
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Francis2004

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It's a diagnostic tool, you know. If someone has something wrong, it's kind of nice to be able to have it diagnosed sometime in the same year you notice something wrong. It didn't take that long in 1959 for diagnoses. Waiting a year+ to just find out what's wrong with you is good?
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your husband seems to have died of a mildly ruptured spleen. We diagnosed it at autopsy with the MRI".
or
"I'm sorry ma'am, but your husband has a degenerative disk problem and if we'd have caught it in time, we could have done something, but we didn't have the MRI results till a year later. He'll be bed ridden for the rest of his life now."

It's pretty weak to suggest that life was worse because of the lack of some doodad or other when it hadn't been developed yet. Of course it would be better. I am not arguing that. I am arguing that if things were all that peachy, the MRIs would be done in a timely manner rather than somewhere down the timeline when the affliction has had time to get nice and comfortable. The technology is progress, the waiting is regression. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear enough before.

I sure have no idea where these wait times come from sometimes..

I just had a 3D CT Scan requested last Monday and was in by Friday. It took 2 days to set up this procedure that people told me would take months to get..

Personally I have come to the conclusion it is really up to the Doctor you have. If my Family doctor requests the procedure ( and he has ) it takes months.. If my Surgeon requests it, its a matter of a few days, so it boils down to knowing who to contact and push..

Since Aug I have had Surgery, Scan's and important tests all done within matter of days at the request of surgeons / specialists.. I no longer request things thru my family doctor who put no emphasis on speed and has no pull in any system..

As to Technology in 1959, you could not have known what you you had such as you do today due to the lack of multiple layers of technology. The lack of knowledge made you unaware of many of the illnesses many died of "natural causes" no one will ever know the real reason. I remember reading an article in a medical journal that believed diseases have been around since the dawn of time. We still probably have not found all of them due to our lack of Technology even to this day.
 

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The only reason those old cars look so special is nostalgia.
Wrong. They actually had style back then. Now they just look like electric shavers.
In 1959, nobody cared about their F100s, they were just trucks.
Yeah, no-one has any antiques or classics these days. No-one had any back then either.:roll:

Cars today are so superior - you get in them, start them, and drive. Hardly ever does anything go wrong for 200,000 km.
Then it costs a fortune to fix them. You can't just replace a simple part anymore, they are all integrated, so if you have a $1.50 part inside a unit fry, you have to replace the entire unit.
How many people have flat tires or blowouts? Not very common.
Tires are better.
They get great gas mileage, too.
People weren't particularly concerned about fuel mileage back when it cost 25 cents a gallon.
They have defrosters and windshield washers, all those silly things that make them useful.
The 1954 Caddy had automatic headlight dimmers, and a few other nifty gadgets.
Collapsing steering wheels, so that if you're in an accident, you aren't impaled by the steering wheel. Sure, they're cute, but not as a daily driver you have to rely on.
How many people back in the 50s were impaled by steering wheels? How many people fell out of minivans in 1959?

Minivan Doors Popping Open While Driving - Money News Story - WFTV Orlando

how many minivans rolled over killing their occupants in 1959?

Consumer Reports Cars Blog: Rollover poses real risks; IIHS announces new roof crush test

Imagine this:



running headon into this at 50 Kmph closing speed



Damage to vehicles? Scratch in the chrome of the bumper on the Merc. Cost to rechrome bumper = $170. Goofy looking red thing is a writeoff. Cost = $25,000. lmao
 

AnnaG

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Cars in 1959 were designed to be fixed and fiddled with by the people who matter - the owner. It was up to the owner whether they lasted forever or not.
Yeah. Les has an article somewhere about a guy with a Volvo P1800 owned by a salesman that did routine maintenance on it for over 800,000 miles and never had any mechanical problems with it. Nothing built these days can last nearly that long.

 

AnnaG

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So what is the problem, Mowich? Didn't you have insurance in 1959? Anyway, we do have insurance today, so the cost of fixing the car is moot.
hehehe Insurance in 1959 cost my Dad 2 weeks pay for his '51 pickup. Full coverage.
 

countryboy

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Yeah. Les has an article somewhere about a guy with a Volvo P1800 owned by a salesman that did routine maintenance on it for over 800,000 miles and never had any mechanical problems with it. Nothing built these days can last nearly that long.

Nice photo...nice car! I think Volvo ran some ads way back when that talked about how long (can't remember) a Volvo would last in Sweden, where the majority of roads were gravel. Friend had a B-something model back in the early 60s and thing was nearly bulletproof. And went like a bat outta' hell. Good car.
 

AnnaG

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I will tell you the problem, SirJP. The waste; the mountains of dead cars, or car parts, that is the problem. The utter carelessness of making something so harmful to our environment so easily disposable.

But then, that's just my opinion.
Pretty much. Distributor fries, replace it for $30. A few metal parts and some bakelite. Computer fries, replace it for $800. Plastic housing, plastic this and that, a few metal pieces, and electronic pieces. They aren't repairable. took one apart one time and there was about $15 worth of parts in it. It's hilarious what we get for a couple dozen g-notes these days.

Mentioning costs again, sure one is insured against crash costs, but the insurance companies don't get rich by doling out their money for them.
 

talloola

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We drove all kinds of different vehicles from l955 to present day.Some of them were good looking and neat to own and drive, but I willtake our present day vehicles. Most of the 'older' ones look way toobig now, too long, built mostly for looks and flashiness, and they were,and I like to see them at the shows, but would not want to own onefor everyday driving, and the pick ups were too small compared to thepickups today, we have a ford F350 4x4, single cab, perfect size, longbox, can carry big camper, or a large load of wood, not so in the oldpickups, they were small and underpowered and if one needed to carrya heavy load one would need a more commercial type truck, back then.It was really hard to keep many of those cars looking good all the time,as they had so much chrome trim, which had to be polished all the time,it became a pain in the butt.We have an Altima 4 cyl now, good power, lots of room, but not big at all. Best car we have every owned. More dependable than any of thoseold cars, there was always something going wrong, I could write a bookof the interesting situations I got into with vehicles that decidedto act up while I was driving.All of the gas was leaded back then, not good, glad that is gone.My husband had one particular car back in l955 which was really nice,blue ford club coupe, he fixed it all up real nice, then one nightwhen we came out from a hockey game, it was gone, they found it abouta week later, completely stripped, in some gravel pit somewhere.
The camper we owned in l962 was on our l960 ford pickup, but now werealize that it was too much for that truck, and if we had known at thattime, we would not have done that, it was not safe, but fortunately wehad no accidents, just lots of fun.
 

AnnaG

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I sure have no idea where these wait times come from sometimes..
I read what the government tells the newsmedia.

I just had a 3D CT Scan requested last Monday and was in by Friday. It took 2 days to set up this procedure that people told me would take months to get..

Personally I have come to the conclusion it is really up to the Doctor you have. If my Family doctor requests the procedure ( and he has ) it takes months.. If my Surgeon requests it, its a matter of a few days, so it boils down to knowing who to contact and push..

Since Aug I have had Surgery, Scan's and important tests all done within matter of days at the request of surgeons / specialists.. I no longer request things thru my family doctor who put no emphasis on speed and has no pull in any system..
Well, at this end of the country you can't go to a specialist without your MDs referral.

As to Technology in 1959, you could not have known what you you had such as you do today due to the lack of multiple layers of technology. The lack of knowledge made you unaware of many of the illnesses many died of "natural causes" no one will ever know the real reason. I remember reading an article in a medical journal that believed diseases have been around since the dawn of time. We still probably have not found all of them due to our lack of Technology even to this day.
Nowadays you could die before you know what's wrong with you anyway. I am sure most people died of legionnaire's disease before it was figured out. Same with AIDS, a lot of cancers, HPV, Ebola, NF, etc. A lot of those weren't even around in 1959. Personally I think a lot of it's due to the massive amounts of polluting materials we've let loose in our environments.

Health authorities cut services to counter rising costs

MyKawartha Article: BORDERLINE CARE: Luxury care available...for a price

Health research cuts are a sign of an ailing system
 
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countryboy

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We drove all kinds of different vehicles from l955 to present day.Some of them were good looking and neat to own and drive, but I willtake our present day vehicles. Most of the 'older' ones look way toobig now, too long, built mostly for looks and flashiness, and they were,and I like to see them at the shows, but would not want to own onefor everyday driving, and the pick ups were too small compared to thepickups today, we have a ford F350 4x4, single cab, perfect size, longbox, can carry big camper, or a large load of wood, not so in the oldpickups, they were small and underpowered and if one needed to carrya heavy load one would need a more commercial type truck, back then.It was really hard to keep many of those cars looking good all the time,as they had so much chrome trim, which had to be polished all the time,it became a pain in the butt.We have an Altima 4 cyl now, good power, lots of room, but not big at all. Best car we have every owned. More dependable than any of thoseold cars, there was always something going wrong, I could write a bookof the interesting situations I got into with vehicles that decidedto act up while I was driving.All of the gas was leaded back then, not good, glad that is gone.My husband had one particular car back in l955 which was really nice,blue ford club coupe, he fixed it all up real nice, then one nightwhen we came out from a hockey game, it was gone, they found it abouta week later, completely stripped, in some gravel pit somewhere.

Here's one you might not be familiar with...I used to own a 1958 "Lloyd", made in Germany. It had an air-cooled 3 cyl engine with roller bearings and a 4-speed manual trans. on the column. Little bugger was built like a panzer tank and got 65 mpg. Mind you, it was butt-ugly and slow, but it was cheap and dependable. As a student, I could take a load of kids to a dance and back (about a 100 mile round trip) for next to nothing and it never let us down. And it didn't have lots of little mysterious electronic modules and gadgets to screw up. Loved it...
 

talloola

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Here's one you might not be familiar with...I used to own a 1958 "Lloyd", made in Germany. It had an air-cooled 3 cyl engine with roller bearings and a 4-speed manual trans. on the column. Little bugger was built like a panzer tank and got 65 mpg. Mind you, it was butt-ugly and slow, but it was cheap and dependable. As a student, I could take a load of kids to a dance and back (about a 100 mile round trip) for next to nothing and it never let us down. And it didn't have lots of little mysterious electronic modules and gadgets to screw up. Loved it...

Nope, have not heard of that one, you must have been the only onein canada with such a vehicle.
 

countryboy

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Nope, have not heard of that one, you must have been the only onein canada with such a vehicle.

I bought it from a guy in Winnipeg for $50. in or around 1964 or '65. Not sure how it got into the country but had no problem registering it. If you have a minute, I think I have a pic. of one that I found on the Internet one time...I'll check it out.
 

AnnaG

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Nice photo...nice car! I think Volvo ran some ads way back when that talked about how long (can't remember) a Volvo would last in Sweden, where the majority of roads were gravel. Friend had a B-something model back in the early 60s and thing was nearly bulletproof. And went like a bat outta' hell. Good car.
Here's one:

A new car can be a long-term partner if you just try a little tenderness

lol I'd like to see one of these electric shavers last a third that long. I'd be impressed.