Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

Cathou

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Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

Nascar_James said:
Numure said:
Nascar_James said:
canadapledge said:
You should know French people better, they are lovers not fighters. Hitler took Frence in couple of weeks, Quebec never supported England in the war. In Canada French took over government, bunch of lasy asses are ruling our country. Canada is not about minorities building their little China, Frence, Israil, Russian. Canada is about united minorities with National Idea of Freedom!

We seem to forget who won the war on the Plains of Abraham

Too bad you arnt back thgen huh? Today is today. Now we hold the power in this province. We will shape it to our liking. Not happy, go back to britain where your ancesters came from.

Oh Really?

Well in that case, as a gentleman in Texas once said ... "We can just take your sorry asses and ship them back to France"

both of you should stop acting so childish. An independent Quebec will not base on language only. both english and french will be present in that, and i hope that both side will be able to accept each other.

Sure, if you look back at history, french quebec people dont have much reason to like english, and english people can be irritated by frenchs. but the actual sitution today, is that quebec is for a vast majority french, but we must not repeat past mistake that have been done. someone remember : "dont do to other what you dont want the others do to you" ? Sure there's sometimes a huge gap between frnech and english, but we wont go anywhere with that kind of attitude...
 

Numure

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Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

Nascar_James said:
Numure said:
Nascar_James said:
canadapledge said:
You should know French people better, they are lovers not fighters. Hitler took Frence in couple of weeks, Quebec never supported England in the war. In Canada French took over government, bunch of lasy asses are ruling our country. Canada is not about minorities building their little China, Frence, Israil, Russian. Canada is about united minorities with National Idea of Freedom!

We seem to forget who won the war on the Plains of Abraham

Too bad you arnt back thgen huh? Today is today. Now we hold the power in this province. We will shape it to our liking. Not happy, go back to britain where your ancesters came from.

Oh Really?

Well in that case, as a gentleman in Texas once said ... "We can just take your sorry asses and ship them back to France"

Sad thing is your community doesnt hold any poiwer anymore. Even anglophones in the National Assembly are rare.

I don't hate anglophones. I just dislike idiots like you. I'm pretty sure, most of my english friends would dislike you as well. You dishonour them, quite simply said.
 

TenPenny

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God, I wonder about you people.

This constant denigrating of France is a wonderful American line of bullshit, but it plays well in the White House. References to Hitler are amusing, too, since the Americans were such a big help. NOT. Not until Japan just about wiped them off the freakin' map. They were content to pass laws that made it difficult for Roosevelt to help, while Joe Kennedy sucked up to Hitler, and Henry Ford praised him.

Where would the US be without France? Nowhere, that's where. It was only because of France's help that the US was created, fer chrissakes.

Stupid and small minded. Why don't you try reading some history for a change? Jeesus. Go stand under the Arc de Triomphe, read the plaques there, and think about things. And hang your head in shame for being so bloody ignorant.
 

Nascar_James

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Re: RE: Quebec shouldn't separate from Canada

Numure said:
Nascar_James said:
Numure said:
Nascar_James said:
canadapledge said:
You should know French people better, they are lovers not fighters. Hitler took Frence in couple of weeks, Quebec never supported England in the war. In Canada French took over government, bunch of lasy asses are ruling our country. Canada is not about minorities building their little China, Frence, Israil, Russian. Canada is about united minorities with National Idea of Freedom!

We seem to forget who won the war on the Plains of Abraham

Too bad you arnt back thgen huh? Today is today. Now we hold the power in this province. We will shape it to our liking. Not happy, go back to britain where your ancesters came from.

Oh Really?

Well in that case, as a gentleman in Texas once said ... "We can just take your sorry asses and ship them back to France"

Sad thing is your community doesnt hold any poiwer anymore. Even anglophones in the National Assembly are rare.

I don't hate anglophones. I just dislike idiots like you. I'm pretty sure, most of my english friends would dislike you as well. You dishonour them, quite simply said.

There is somthing to be said for those who are a little on the er ... slow side (as we have just seen). Someone complaining about sending folks back to Britain, and yet using words like "english friends" and "dishonour". ...what a shame ... tsk tsk ... too bad ...
 

Shiva

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If there's one thing I'd like to say to separatists, it's simply this: you underestimate how emotional this issue is for the rest of Canada. For English Canadians. Time and again I've read in this thread how it is emotional for Quebecers- well, it is for the rest of us, too. We're just as passionate for Canada as a whole as you are for only Quebec. We love this nation, and that includes loving the Quebecois.

The reality of the fact is that colonialism is dead. British colonialism, British imperialism, British patriotism- all dead. English Canadians do not see themselves as British anymore, they see themselves as Canadians. English Canadians do not question the right of Quebec to be French and retain French culture- they've got no problem with it. The idea that they should have the right to question it, or that they should attempt to influence Quebec to make it more English wouldn't even enter their minds. Only those on the outermost fringe would argue such things, and the rest of us would be disgusted at the lack of respect of democratic rights of our fellow Canadians to have their culture and live it as they see fit.

Much of the separatist movement as I understand it is based on historical grievances against British colonialism, and they are legitimate grievances. However, the reality on the ground has changed since those times, and I think the language divide has played a strong role in preventing the Quebecois from seeing how most English Canadians really think and feel. To leave Canada now because of the grievances of the past, at a time when Quebec is arguably in its best position ever in terms of its ability to retain its culture, is simply unnecessary. When so much success has been attained in confederation, why break it up?

There's a simple old story about a father teaching his sons the power of unity. He had his sons take up one stick and asked them to break it. They did so with ease. The father then asked them to take up several sticks and try to break those, and despite their efforts, it wasn't possible. The moral is obvious- there is strength in numbers. When Canadians are now with you, why desert them? I will not say that Quebec as an independent nation is incapable of success, but I think it is entirely fair to assert that what we can achieve together is greather than what any one of us can achieve separately.

I believe part of the real reason why Quebec separatism has reached such a point is because of the overall lack of vision in Ottawa. We have had such horrible leaders for such a long time, and can any of them be said to have had a real vision for our nation? What is it that Canada is achieving, what are we doing next, where do we want to go? We need concrete answers to those questions, and I'm certain I'm not the only Canadian to feel disillusioned on those points. The Quebecois are rightly feeling this lack of leadership in Ottawa, and if they're not getting it there, I suppose they're providing it for themselves! Building a new country, being able to participate in history, being personally responsible for shaping the lives of the future- it must be incredibly intoxicating. No wonder this vacuum of vision in Ottawa coincides with a rise in Quebec separatism!

And this is the crux of why English Canadians so resent separatists-in some respects you are doing exactly what we wish to do. Not separating, but the building of a nation. This has been horribly lacking in Canadian politics for too long in my opinion, and the thought that rather than invigorating the process here in this nation you are leaving us behind to do it all on your own, without a care of what will happen to us, is a smack in the face. English Canadians do care about Quebec and want to work with you to build a great nation, separatists don't care to participate in the process and would rather build the wall of a nation between us and them, and we're powerless to do anything about it despite the fact this concerns us directly. I think the Quebecois would feel the same way in our position.

You can't blame the son for the sins of the father. There were discriminatory and mean policies against the Quebecois for generations, and I support them in their fight for equality and redress. I support ensuring the federal government treats them with equality and respect. To blame the current generation, though, for what's happened in the past and leave on that justification is unfair. I am unconvinced that what Quebec can achieve as an independent nation is impossible within Canada, or that what we can achieve together is less beneficial to all of us than what we can achieve independently.
 

DoubleWitt

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Separating...

I think that gov's that opt for separation have jumped to the last resort to cover their lack of competence in political affairs. They're always proclaiming that separation is the solution to everything. To me, that's a rather naive attitude. Gov's will screw you after that happens as they forcefully convince you to blindly believe in their shortsighted projections. Gov's will and have always influenced the people to believe their campaigns. But the surprise is waiting after it is done. It's not always easy to be insightful in political affairs and know exactly what kind of consequences will follow but the consequences are inevitable. In most cases, political projections are on a trial and error basis. We will try to do this and we will try to do that - so basically, we'll see...And then, they often fall short of their promises!

It makes me think of the common trend in marital life. Today, as soon as there is a problem - well, goodbye! That's how it works out in the greater majority of marital separations. People no longer have the zazz to fix their personal problems and so they quickly opt out as a solution. According to studies nearly 80% of women who have separated or divorced have actually found the same problem with the new partner. Was separation the solution? Probably not - but that's the common trend today. In Quebec, the separation rate is continually soaring and is beyond control. The rate in Quebec is higher I believe than any other province - what a shame! And yet, this forceful trend in our society is moving into the political world. It's a reflection of how we live our personal lives. As soon as there is a problem between two provinces - that's it! I've had enough! Let's separate. Where is the maturity in the people today...? Personally, I will never back any separation plans.
That is only deception.

Have you ever heard the expression; "the family is the backbone of a nation"...? Well, if the families are all broken up, then the nation will break up. It's a sad situation.

DoubleWitt
 

MisoNess

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Quebec should stay with Canada. The population of 7 million would not help the government much with taxes. Also, retired citizens rely on the government for healthcare and other things. Without the high population, the government wouldn't be able to afford thpse things long with importing goods. As a esult, the government would probably have to raise the taxes, angering the citizens and losing even more of the population. If they didn't provide healthcare, there wouldhave to be insurance companies that the retired people would have to pay, eventually having to work again to pay for food and monthly taxes. The economy would basically be falling apart and Queec may have to join Canada gain. Why leave, suffer, then come back? There's no point.
 

Ron in Regina

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Holy Necro-Thread, Batman!!! As someone who falls into the category of
being in just the "Rest of Canada," I can honestly say that any talk of
Quebec separating instantly turns into the noises that the Teacher
from Peanuts makes when she talks to Charlie Brown....

"Whah-whaaah-whaah-whah-Whaaaah-whah-whaah...." Seriously....

I try hard to listen as it might be real this time, but I just tune out. Cried wolf
too many times, I guess. I'm not going to knock Quebec 'cuz I'm just not that
interested, let alone passionate about the subject. As a member of the "Rest
of Canada" I guess (the "Rest of Canada" just consider themselves Canadians),
I'm just tired of the subject. :-|
 

Mowich

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Personally, I think BC, Alta, Sask, Yukon, Alaska and Washington States should all separate from their respective countries and form a republic.

Quebec will one day get past its identity crises, though I may not be alive to see that happen.
 

countryboy

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Personally, I think BC, Alta, Sask, Yukon, Alaska and Washington States should all separate from their respective countries and form a republic.

Quebec will one day get past its identity crises, though I may not be alive to see that happen.

Er, what happened to my home province of Manitoba? Not good enough to be part of the revolution? Besides, it would give you access to an Eastern ocean-going port - Churchill. The former home of the polar bears. Well, not quite "former" yet, but apparently they're going to be extinct by next year or something. However, the plus side of that is this: When the ice all melts, Churchill can be open for port business 365 days of the year!

Quebec will never get over their problems, so don't give it a second thought. They will just keep on going, year after year after year after year..getting "extras" from politicians who think that extra favours will keep this kid in Confederation. And what the hell...they're right! It's worked pretty well so far, right? There's always a favoured kid in every family, and Quebec is ours. Love 'em or hate 'em, that's the way it is.

Why not just ignore that issue? All we're gonna do is expend a whole pile of energy and time and nothing will change. It's part of our heritage just as it will be part of our future. Besides, it's a bit of an impossible target to hit anyway, given that "Quebec" is not one single, living, breathing entity, when it comes to separation. It's a whole bunch of differing opinions, and even some of those change from time to time, depending on which way the political and economic winds are blowing.

Let's just accept the fact that Quebec is there, it has lots of good points, it is an interesting place to visit, most of the people I know there are pretty decent, and it's rather screwed up on the political and identity front. But, it's well above the status of the proverbial "turd in a punch bowl" so why not keep on going, status quo? Vive les differences and pass les pommes frites!
 

gerryh

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Personally, I think BC, Alta, Sask, Yukon, Alaska and Washington States should all separate from their respective countries and form a republic.

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There we go....one more person looking for a way to break up Canada. Always nice to have the seperatists out in the open.
 

Dexter Sinister

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If there must be a separation, I think the smartest thing to do would be for everybody to get together and leave southern Ontario. But really I think any form of separatism is a really bad idea. I don't see that there'd be any winners in western separation or Quebec separation or maritime separation; some people would just lose less than others. I think the Canadian experiment in multiculturalism and peaceful coexistence is worth working on and preserving.
 

Mowich

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Er, what happened to my home province of Manitoba? Not good enough to be part of the revolution? Besides, it would give you access to an Eastern ocean-going port - Churchill. The former home of the polar bears. Well, not quite "former" yet, but apparently they're going to be extinct by next year or something. However, the plus side of that is this: When the ice all melts, Churchill can be open for port business 365 days of the year!

Quebec will never get over their problems, so don't give it a second thought. They will just keep on going, year after year after year after year..getting "extras" from politicians who think that extra favours will keep this kid in Confederation. And what the hell...they're right! It's worked pretty well so far, right? There's always a favoured kid in every family, and Quebec is ours. Love 'em or hate 'em, that's the way it is.

Why not just ignore that issue? All we're gonna do is expend a whole pile of energy and time and nothing will change. It's part of our heritage just as it will be part of our future. Besides, it's a bit of an impossible target to hit anyway, given that "Quebec" is not one single, living, breathing entity, when it comes to separation. It's a whole bunch of differing opinions, and even some of those change from time to time, depending on which way the political and economic winds are blowing.

Let's just accept the fact that Quebec is there, it has lots of good points, it is an interesting place to visit, most of the people I know there are pretty decent, and it's rather screwed up on the political and identity front. But, it's well above the status of the proverbial "turd in a punch bowl" so why not keep on going, status quo? Vive les differences and pass les pommes frites!

If there must be a separation, I think the smartest thing to do would be for everybody to get together and leave southern Ontario. But really I think any form of separatism is a really bad idea. I don't see that there'd be any winners in western separation or Quebec separation or maritime separation; some people would just lose less than others. I think the Canadian experiment in multiculturalism and peaceful coexistence is worth working on and preserving.

Of course, you are right, DS though the next time the Liberals form our government the subject will once again be raised in taverns and pubs all across the West. LOL!
 

Mowich

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If there must be a separation, I think the smartest thing to do would be for everybody to get together and leave southern Ontario. But really I think any form of separatism is a really bad idea. I don't see that there'd be any winners in western separation or Quebec separation or maritime separation; some people would just lose less than others. I think the Canadian experiment in multiculturalism and peaceful coexistence is worth working on and preserving.

Of course, you are right, DS though the next time the Liberals form our government the subject will once again be raised in taverns and pubs all across the West. LOL!
 

AnnaG

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If there must be a separation, I think the smartest thing to do would be for everybody to get together and leave southern Ontario. But really I think any form of separatism is a really bad idea. I don't see that there'd be any winners in western separation or Quebec separation or maritime separation; some people would just lose less than others. I think the Canadian experiment in multiculturalism and peaceful coexistence is worth working on and preserving.
I think so, too, but I still think there's a point at which Ottawa could tip the balance and sometimes they've come awfully close to doing just that. And why? Because of unnecessary politics.
 

big

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I think so, too, but I still think there's a point at which Ottawa could tip the balance and sometimes they've come awfully close to doing just that. And why? Because of unnecessary politics.

Politics defines what is unnecessary.
 

gerryh

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Of course, you are right, DS though the next time the Liberals form our government the subject will once again be raised in taverns and pubs all across the West. LOL!


anybody that wants to "seperate" can haul their useless asses out of Canada.