Essential features of the apostle of God

[gopher]

''Hinduism is monotheistic''

This is the first I've heard of that claim. As for trinity, the ancient Coptic religion had that as well. It is my understanding that this is what influenced Christianity.

 

[mt_pockets1000]

The end is near.

 

[Cliffy]

The end is near.

And it is all because of religion.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

And it is all because of religion.

Yep. If history is any guide, it seems to me that the essential features of an apostle of god are that he be a delusional, fantasy-prone personality subject to hallucinations, and it's helpful if he's unable to think clearly, poorly educated, authoritarian, and judgmental.

 

[Cliffy]

Yep. If history is any guide, it seems to me that the essential features of an apostle of god are that he be a delusional, fantasy-prone personality subject to hallucinations, and it's helpful if he's unable to think clearly, poorly educated, authoritarian, and judgmental.

What do expect a psychopath to hire to spread his word?

 

[AnnaG]

Yep. If history is any guide, it seems to me that the essential features of an apostle of god are that he be a delusional, fantasy-prone personality subject to hallucinations, and it's helpful if he's unable to think clearly, poorly educated, authoritarian, and judgmental.

.... with a sadistic streak.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

gopher,Monotheism is even older than Judaism Prophet Abraham who was before Judaism and before Christianity was a monotheist.

Monotheism is the religion of God with which He sent all the apostles and the First Commandment that God is One without associate is the most important of all the Commandments.

No apostle is sent but only to invite people to this religion: that God is One and the worship should be exclusive to Him alone.

Since Adam and the prophets after him, all the apostles of God to all nations, carried their missions to teach their nations this Commandment.

This is in the Quran 43: 45​

وَاسْأَلْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رُّسُلِنَا أَجَعَلْنَا مِن دُونِ الرَّحْمَنِ آلِهَةً يُعْبَدُونَ​

The explanation:
(And [O Mohammed] ask [Gabriel whom We sent to] those of Our messengers We sent before you: ​

"Did We ever appoint any gods to be worshipped beside the Most Gracious?")​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/​

Einasser, your specific statement, "monotheism is even older than Judaism Prophet Abraham who was before Judaism and before Christianity was a monotheist."? Umm .... Abraham is considered to ber the father of the Jewish people and the father of the Jewish faith. Ergo, to separate Abraham and the Judaism with regard to monotheism - well it doesn't make sense. i DO realize that Islam actually considers Abraham to be a Muslim rahter than a Jew, but then again, the Mormons consider Charlemagne to be a Mormonl. Just because you want it to be, doesn't make it so.

 

[Downhome_Woman]

Einasser, I might add that you still haven't addressed my rebutals to your posts? Still waiting.

 

[gopher]

''Abraham is considered to ber the father of the Jewish people and the father of the Jewish faith''

Abraham was Judah's great grandfather. In the Old Testament, Judeans were a tribe, not a religion. Not that it really matters all that much.

 

[Cliffy]

Abraham was a Sumerian. How did he get to be the father of the Jews, Christians and Muslims? Man! Someone is not playing with a full deck.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

''Hinduism is monotheistic''

This is the first I've heard of that claim. As for trinity, the ancient Coptic religion had that as well. It is my understanding that this is what influenced Christianity.

Not much is known about Hinduism in the West, Gopher. And with good reason. The West knows a lot about Islam, because most terrorists are Muslim. So the West found out about Islam. Thus average person probably has heard of Koran, Sharia etc.

But how many people do you think have heard of Upanishads? Those are part of Hindu Scripture. Hindus don’t make waves, they are not terrorists, they try to blend with the local population, many of them adopt the local ways. So Hinduism is pretty much ignored in the west. The only thing you may have heard about Hinduism is that they have millions of Gods. Well, they do in a way. But at its base, it is a monotheistic religion, believes in only one God.

Now that India is coming to world prominence, is emerging as a world power, perhaps the West will take more interest in Hinduism. But at present very little is known about Hinduism in the west.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

''Hinduism is monotheistic''

This is the first I've heard of that claim. As for trinity, the ancient Coptic religion had that as well. It is my understanding that this is what influenced Christianity.

You are right, Gopher, many ancient religions have the concept of the Trinity. However, I think Hinduism is the oldest religion around, so it is my opinion that many of the ideas of trinity originated with Hinduism.

Anyway, in my opinion, Christianity borrowed the concepts of Trinity and Second Coming from Hinduism (and I think they borrowed the concepts of Virgin Birth and Resurrection from Zoroastrianism). The prophecy of Second Coming sounds very similar to Hindu prophecy of ‘tenth coming’.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

''Abraham is considered to ber the father of the Jewish people and the father of the Jewish faith''

Abraham was Judah's great grandfather. In the Old Testament, Judeans were a tribe, not a religion. Not that it really matters all that much.

Well, I have my theory about that. I think Abraham is the Hindu God Brahma.

 

[Cliffy]

At the time of JC, Israel was at the hub of trade routes between the west and east. It is quite likely that Jesus and many Jews were exposed quite heavily to Hindu philosophy. It has also been reported that Jesus spent a good portion of his time between the ages of 12 and 30 in India learning that philosophy first hand.

He was supposedly well learned in the philosophies of the Zoroastrians, Egyptian mystery schools and that he belonged to the Essene order. But since there is no solid evidence that he even existed, it is all still just speculation, like everything else about him. For all we know he was a woman or gay.

 

[AnnaG]

Not much is known about Hinduism in the West, Gopher. And with good reason. The West knows a lot about Islam, because most terrorists are Muslim. So the West found out about Islam. Thus average person probably has heard of Koran, Sharia etc.

But how many people do you think have heard of Upanishads? Those are part of Hindu Scripture. Hindus don’t make waves, they are not terrorists, they try to blend with the local population, many of them adopt the local ways. So Hinduism is pretty much ignored in the west. The only thing you may have heard about Hinduism is that they have millions of Gods. Well, they do in a way. But at its base, it is a monotheistic religion, believes in only one God.

Now that India is coming to world prominence, is emerging as a world power, perhaps the West will take more interest in Hinduism. But at present very little is known about Hinduism in the west.

I guess there aren't a lot of people practising Hinguism in Toronto. There are shiploads of them over here. Lots of people have taken an interest in all kinds of Indian traditions over here. It'd be better if you'd quit ASSuming you can speak for everyone else.

 

[AnnaG]

You are right, Gopher, many ancient religions have the concept of the Trinity. However, I think Hinduism is the oldest religion around, so it is my opinion that many of the ideas of trinity originated with Hinduism.

Anyway, in my opinion, Christianity borrowed the concepts of Trinity and Second Coming from Hinduism (and I think they borrowed the concepts of Virgin Birth and Resurrection from Zoroastrianism). The prophecy of Second Coming sounds very similar to Hindu prophecy of ‘tenth coming’.

Animist religions are the oldest. Australian aboriginal beliefs go back 60,000 years approximately. afrol News - World's oldest religion discovered in Botswana

 

[eanassir]

Einasser, your specific statement, "monotheism is even older than Judaism Prophet Abraham who was before Judaism and before Christianity was a monotheist."? Umm .... Abraham is considered to ber the father of the Jewish people and the father of the Jewish faith. Ergo, to separate Abraham and the Judaism with regard to monotheism - well it doesn't make sense. i DO realize that Islam actually considers Abraham to be a Muslim rahter than a Jew, but then again, the Mormons consider Charlemagne to be a Mormonl. Just because you want it to be, doesn't make it so.

Abraham was neither a Jew nor yet a Christian​

Prophet Abraham was before the Torah; the Torah was revealed after Abraham by a long time; Abraham was a monotheist devoting himself to God alone, and he broke up the idols of his people.

This is in the Quran 3: 65

يَا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّونَ فِي إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَمَا أُنزِلَتِ التَّورَاةُ وَالإنجِيلُ إِلاَّ مِن بَعْدِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَ ...الخ​

The explanation:
(O people of the Bible [lit. Scripture], why do you dispute about Abraham, when [you know that] the Torah [including the Ten Commandments, the Law, the words, the books of the prophets and the psalms] and the Gospel were not revealed but after him? Have you then no sense?​

So now, you [Jews] are those who [worshipped idols in the past] argue about [Moses and Jesus: claiming that you follow their religion] that whereof you have knowledge. But why do you argue about the matter of Abraham] that you do not know; God knows [the truth about the religion of Abraham] but you do not know [that.]​

Abraham was neither a Jew nor yet a Christian [as you claim], but was a "Hanief" [i.e. a monotheist who served God alone], a Muslim [i.e. surrendering to God's commands], and was not one of the associaters [that associate others or idols with God in the worship.]​

The people most worthy [to claim following the religion] of Abraham were his followers [at his time,] as are this prophet [Mohammed] and the believers [with him]; God is the Protecting Master of the believers.)​

http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/index.htm#another_lie​

 

[AnnaG]

Ibrahim was a polytheistic Brahman that lived in Mesopotamian aka Iraq (in the Ur area) about 1900 BCE.

Abraham - Who Was He? / Viewzone

 

[eanassir]

''Abraham is considered to ber the father of the Jewish people and the father of the Jewish faith''

Abraham was Judah's great grandfather. In the Old Testament, Judeans were a tribe, not a religion. Not that it really matters all that much.

Muslims are more worthy of Abraham their father;
because they followed his monotheism, and obeyed their prophet​

Abraham had his older son Ismael --> the grandfather of Mohammed.
And his younger son Isaac --> the father of Jacob surnamed Israel.

So Abraham was the father of the Isralietes and the father of Mohammed's people.

Moreover, Prophet Mohammed and the belivers with him were more worthy to be the followers of Abraham because they worshipped God alone and broke the idols and never then worshipped any idol afterwards, and moreover they obeyed their prophet.

While Jews disobeyed their prophet Moses, and worshipped the gold calf idol made for them by the Samaritan, then the two calf statues made for them by Jeroboam son of Nabat, in addition to worshipping Astaroth, Baal and the star Sirius.

<http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/english2.htm#Their_Rebellion_against_Their_Prophet_>
<http://www.quran-ayat.com/conflict/english2.htm#They_Worshiped_the_Idols_>​

Therefore, the Muslims are more worthy of Abraham who was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but was devoted to God alone which is the meaning of the word Islam: to devote to God alone.

 

[Cliffy]

Abraham had his older son Ismael --> the grandfather of Mohammed.

This is beyond a doubt your most ridiculous claim to date. Abraham predates Mohammed by two or three thousand years.