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SJP - Actually I DID read your post, but I fear that we've been down this road many times before! :lol:You cannot for certain state that Allah was a Hindu goddess - you can only assume. Just as I assume that rather than Hinduism being the 'original' religion, there was a 'proto religion that gave birth to two distinct but related beliefs - Hinduism and Zoroastrianism.
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I don’t think I agree with that, Downhome woman, Hinduism is at least 1000 years older than Zoroastrianism. It is highly unlikely that the same proto religion spawned both of them.

My guess is that Zoroastrianism was cobbled together by piecing together the legends, fables etc. floating around in ancient Persia, with perhaps some borrowing done from Hinduism.

Now, since Zoroastrianism has more in common with many of the western religions, I'm more inclined to be of the opinion that the religions of the west stemmed from that.

Here again, I think Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism, so it could not possibly have stemmed from Zoroastrianism. It is very likely however, that Christianity borrowed from Zoroastrianism.

When Christianity was established, the dominant religion in the world was Hinduism and the dominant religion in the Middle east was Zoroastrianism. So in addition to basing their religion on Old testament, it is reasonable to assume that Christianity has borrowed both from Hinduism and from Zoroastrianism.

But personally, I don’t think Zoroastrianism belongs in the chain of evolution of western religions (Judaism – Christianity – Islam). Nor does it belong to the group of Eastern religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism). I think it is a stand alone religion, Perhaps that is why it died out.
 

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Oh good grief, stop quoting the Quran and start thinking for yourself.
Am I different than a man? Of course - I've never denied that, but all that other garbage regarding menstruation, pregnancy nursing, etc .. give me a break!
i was in the army - and i menstruated. i was still able to think clearly and do my job. Pregnancy? You seem to think that pregnancy makes women unable to think or do things. trust me. We perform just fine, thank you.
i spent 6 months on a tour of duty in Egypt (menstruating faithfully through out my time there, I might add). I saw many pregnant women who worked as probably did when they weren't pregnant - obviously when it comes to getting a days work out of a pregnant woman, they're equal.
My husband recently retired from the military. when our children were very small, because of his job he was not always there. I did his job and my job at the same time.
Your remarks, "oncerning the anatomical, physiological, psychological, periodical and social obvious differences between woman and man.[/font]

Who will have the menstrual bleeding every month: the man or the woman?
Who will frequently be pregnant for nine months each time: the woman or the man?
Who will give birth to the baby: the man or the woman?
Who will suckle the baby for 2 years: the mother or the father? …etc.[/left]" are amusing. It's as if you believe that pregnancy, nursing and menstruation somehow limit women from what they are able to do. Nothing is farther from the truth. you bet. Having a partner makes the load easier but the load is still there and sometimes it's doubled and we have coped for thousands of years,

Whatever you say, it can't be the same.


whether the learned men of the 2 testaments and the Quran would like to believe otherwise.
You belong to a belief system that, while may have been advanced for its day, has petrified. sorry.

Thank you for politeness.

i like having my beloved husband but if I had to go it alone? I could, pregnancy, menstruation regardless. And by the way. The whole hijab/niquab - modesty- thing? the Prophet enjoined both genders to dress modestly. It's unfortunate that the modest dressing of women is a lot more restrictive than that of men. And please, the whole business of women having to dress that way to keep men from thinking bad thoughts?

Grow up and develop some discipline.

Thank you for politeness; seeing you are grown up, I shall learn from your discipline.

Stop expecting the women to stifle themselves so you don't have to make the effort to control yourselves.
I stand by what i say -= I'd raqther live in djimitude.
p.s. all scriptures have a lot of good to say - i just get fed up with how it gets interpreted by the experts(can i mention those wahabi moral police who let a group of little school girls die in a fire? tThey locked the doors of the school and wouldn't let them out because they weren't certain whether they'd be modestly covered. How sick is that.

Yup - really want to become one of you! DJIMITUDE - HOOAH!!

To me, I don't want.
 

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You obviously did not read my post a few days ago, Downhome Woman (I don’t remember if it was on this thread or somewhere else).

Originally Allah is the name of a Hindu Goddess, a moon Goddess. From ancient India, Allah traveled to Middle East. Allah predates Islam, he (now ‘she’ became a ‘he’) was being worshipped in Arabia even before Mohammed.

At that time, people in the Middle East used to worship all kinds of Gods and Goddesses, including Allah. Mohammed decreed that Allah is the only true God and told people to stop worshipping anything else.

Anyway, so originally Allah was a Hindu Goddess (I assume still is). So there is nothing wrong whatever to refer to Allah as ‘her’.


SJP, there is some mixing, may be because of misunderstanding of the language.
I have now realized what strange thing you are speaking.

The explanation:
The pagan Arab in the pre-Islam period, knew God and called Him: Allah, which is originally is Al-ilah, which means: the god.

But because of the association and ignorance, they made many idols: one of these idols was called Allat, other idols were Uzza, Manat and Hubal. Some of them worshipped the Star Sirius, and some other planets.

This is in the Quran 53: 19-23
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى .وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى . أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى . تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى . إِنْ هِيَ إِلَّا أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهْوَى الْأَنفُسُ وَلَقَدْ جَاءهُم مِّن رَّبِّهِمُ الْهُدَى ..الخ
The explanation:
(Have you considered El-Lat and El-Uzza,

And Manat, the third [idol]?

Will the male [your sons] be for you, and the female be for Him [as do you claim the angels are God's daughters]?

Such would be indeed a division most unfair.

They are but names with which you have named [these stones], you and your fathers; God has revealed no authority to [worship] them [in any heavenly scripture.]

They follow but a guess and that which [their] souls desire; and yet guidance [included in the Quran] has come to them from their Lord [and even they have refused it.]

Or will man [who is unbeliever] have whatever [intercession of idols, angels or saints] for which he desire?)
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Moreover, these idols had female names.


This is in the Quran 4: 117

إِن يَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِهِ إِلاَّ إِنَاثًا وَإِن يَدْعُونَ إِلاَّ شَيْطَانًا مَّرِيدًا

The explanation:
(They call besides Him only on females; and they call on nothing other than a rebellious Devil.)
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They cosidered Allah as the god of heaven, and these idols on earth.

Moreover, they thought that their idols were symbols of the angels; then they said the angels came down and entered in these idols, and therefore they hear and see us; and that the angels are the daughters of Allah; therefore, they sanctify and worship these idols, in order that the angels will intercede for them with God.


This is in the Quran 39: 38

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ قُلْ أَفَرَأَيْتُم مَّا تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَنِيَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ هَلْ هُنَّ كَاشِفَاتُ ضُرِّهِ أَوْ أَرَادَنِي بِرَحْمَةٍ هَلْ هُنَّ مُمْسِكَاتُ رَحْمَتِهِ قُلْ حَسْبِيَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ يَتَوَكَّلُ الْمُتَوَكِّلُونَ

The explanation:
(And if you [Mohammed] should ask them [: the associaters]: "Who created the heavens and the earth, they will surely say: "God [, lit. Allah, created them!]"

Say: "Have you considered what you call on beside God [lit. Allah]? If God [lit. Allah]wished me harm, could they [female pronoun] remove His harm? Or did He wish me mercy, could they [female pronoun] withhold His mercy?"

Say: "God is Enough for me [for Protector], and on Him rely those who rely [to preach the Islam, so they will succeed.])


 
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SJP, there is some mixing, may be because of misunderstanding of the language.
I have now realized what strange thing you are speaking.

But because of the association and ignorance, they made many idols: one of these idols was called Allat, other idols were Uzza, Manat and Hubal. Some of them worshipped the Star Sirius, and some other planets.

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Moreover, these idols had female names.



The explanation:
(They call besides Him only on females; and they call on nothing other than a rebellious Devil.)
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They cosidered Allah as the god of heaven, and these idols on earth.

Moreover, they thought that their idols were symbols of the angels; then they said the angels came down and entered in these idols, and therefore they hear and see us; and that the angels are the daughters of Allah; therefore, they sanctify and worship these idols, in order that the angels will intercede for them with Godhttp://www.quran-ayat.com/

So you do realize that Allah was originally a moon Goddess. Good to know.
 

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Whatever you say, it can't be the same.




Thank you for politeness.
Thank you for politeness; seeing you are grown up, I shall learn from your discipline.
While you may have 'thanked' me for many things, you still haven't addressed anything that I've put forward to you. You spoke about the differences between men an women - the implication being women are unable to do things that men can do because of their bodies. You still haven't backed up your argument with anything other than passages from the Quran. Yes, i would choose Djimitude rather than live under a system that orders me to 'be protected'. I've always wondered about those who just quote from scripture but never seem to be capable of actually explaining what they are quoting. Do you have independent thought or do you merely recite?
 

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Einasser, your remark,'V'.
I never said we were the same - but being different does not mean that
I should be shackled by the fact that I am different. all the things you mention - mensrtruation, childbearing, childrearing - do not stop me from getting what i have to do done. as mentioned, when I was in the military i was able to function quite well - neither my physical nor my mental faculties were hampered by my being female. all those things you name do not stop me from thinking rationally and from taking care of me and my own when I have to.
You on the other hand, demand that a woman cover herself because otherwise she'll distract you and other men. Are you that weak? If you are, then shouldn't it be you that is 'shackled' because you are so weak? I see a good looking man and while i may admire him, I wouldn't allow my admiration of his physical being to lead me into doing something wrong. Further more, IF I ever did I would be an adult and admit that it was me that did the wrong thing - I wouldn't blame it on the man. I have self control. Makes me think that the wrong gender is being 'protected' in Islam.
Have a goos evening.
 

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Einasser, your remark,'V'.
I never said we were the same - but being different does not mean that
I should be shackled by the fact that I am different. all the things you mention - mensrtruation, childbearing, childrearing - do not stop me from getting what i have to do done. as mentioned, when I was in the military i was able to function quite well - neither my physical nor my mental faculties were hampered by my being female. all those things you name do not stop me from thinking rationally and from taking care of me and my own when I have to.
You on the other hand, demand that a woman cover herself because otherwise she'll distract you and other men. Are you that weak? If you are, then shouldn't it be you that is 'shackled' because you are so weak? I see a good looking man and while i may admire him, I wouldn't allow my admiration of his physical being to lead me into doing something wrong. Further more, IF I ever did I would be an adult and admit that it was me that did the wrong thing - I wouldn't blame it on the man. I have self control. Makes me think that the wrong gender is being 'protected' in Islam.
Have a goos evening.
lol Good for you.
BTW, eanassir's posts contain almost nothing except Quran quotes and some dingbat interpretation of them by a Hilly dood. His posts are predirected by the dogma in his book. Not much more than a robot.
 

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According to the New Testament, he or she (female followers in the New Testament are also called apostles) can also create miracles such as healing the sick and raising the dead. That's what I want to see. :)
 

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''Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism''

Some say Zoroastrianism (starting around 600 BCE) is the oldest form of monotheism. But the ancient Israelites practiced their religion at least 1,000 years before that if my understanding of history is correct.
 

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So you do realize that Allah was originally a moon Goddess. Good to know.


There was God (lit.Allah) who is the Creator of people and of all the universe; He is called Allah in Arabic. People knew Him and worship Him, but they associate with Him many other idols: i.e. their worship was not exclusively pure for God alone:

They associated such idols with God Almighty, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, Who in Arabic is called Allah by all the Arab people: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Sabaeans, and idolaters.

Therefore, they recognized God but they associated with Him other idols: some of them were symbols of angels or sons of Prophet Ismael or some righteous men.

This is in the Quran 39: 38

وَلَئِن سَأَلْتَهُم مَّنْ خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ لَيَقُولُنَّ اللَّهُ قُلْ أَفَرَأَيْتُم مَّا تَدْعُونَ مِن دُونِ اللَّهِ إِنْ أَرَادَنِيَ اللَّهُ بِضُرٍّ هَلْ هُنَّ كَاشِفَاتُ ضُرِّهِ أَوْ أَرَادَنِي بِرَحْمَةٍ هَلْ هُنَّ مُمْسِكَاتُ رَحْمَتِهِ قُلْ حَسْبِيَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ يَتَوَكَّلُ الْمُتَوَكِّلُونَ


The explanation:
(And if you [Mohammed] should ask them [: the associaters]: "Who created the heavens and the earth, they will surely say: "God [, lit. Allah, created them!]"

Say: "Have you considered what you call on beside God [lit. Allah]? If God [lit. Allah] wished me harm, could they [: their idols: female pronoun] remove His harm? Or did He wish me mercy, could they [female pronoun] withhold His mercy?"

Say: "God is Enough for me [for Protector], and on Him rely those who rely [to preach the Islam, so they will succeed.])


The Al-lat was an idol erected from stone: a known statue that was there, and Prophet Mohammed – salam be to him - ordered Muslims to break it up together with the rest of the many idols which were on the Kaaba in Mecca.

There were many idols on the Kaaba: one of them was the Al-lat; in addition to Al-Uzza, Manat and Hubal: these were the main idols.

This Al-lat was in fact a goddess; and it might be of Moon: I don't know; but some Arab tribes in the pre-Islam period worshipped the Moon, in addition to the Sun maybe and the planets and stars.

The idolaters till now do not hesitate to worship anything and will not discuss that, but they take it straightforward [this is from Satan to encourage them to associate others with God]; and the associaters till now respect each other worship, and all of them sanctify the gods of others. Even the atheists respect such servitude and idol worship. :)

See my topic on The Patron Saint in this forum, where I said some Christian women in Iraq go to Najaf to visit the shrine of Imam Ali [they were infertile and go to ask from Imam Ali that they may have a son or daughter], and some ignorant Muslim women go to the church to bow down to the idol of Virgin Mary when for example they desire to have some request in like manner. And some Jewish women cried ALI i i e in a loud voice SOS :) when they were in the agony of childbirth, thinking that Imam Ali may help them.

In fact, most people are afraid of the saints, imams and Jewish sages and other idols and patrons: so they show respect to their graves and their names, which is an act of Satan by his suggestions, while the disbelievers dare to revile God Almighty by the same Satan suggestions to let them lose completely.

Some of the Pagan Arab called their son: Abd-Shams, which means: the servant or the slave of the Sun;
others called their son: Abd-Wod, which means: the servant of the idol Wod: the god of love; this idol was known to the people of Noah who worshipped it together with many other idols and associated all that with Allah: God Almighty the Creator and the Lord of all people and of all the universe.

Prophet Mohammed and all the apostles of God came for this purpose to let people make their worship purely devoted to God alone without associate or son or patron.

This is in the Quran 21: 25

وَمَا أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رَّسُولٍ إِلَّا نُوحِي إِلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ لَا إِلَهَ إِلَّا أَنَا فَاعْبُدُونِ

The explanation:
(We never sent any messenger [to his people] before you [Mohammed], unless We revealed to him [saying]:

"There is no god [in the universe] but I [: God]; so [O people] serve Me [alone.]")

See in my previous reply the mentioning of such idols (condemned in the Quran), which the Islam came to abolish their worshipping, and Prophet Mohammed broke and destroyed them all, whetehr they were symbols of Sun, Moon or righteous men.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
 
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Ya know, I thinking that we should put all eanassir's posts into an e-Book and offer it free to the world and call it "All you feared about Islam is justified. Eanassir, you are the worst salesman for Islam i have ever come across. You make Islam completely unattractive and give people good reason to fear the rise of Islam in the world. So, keep up the good work. (Are you sure you are not working for the Republicans?)
 

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The names of the idolaters as servants of the idols

When a man converts to the Islam religion, he will usually change his name, especially if that name indicates or is related to his past religion.

E.g. The famous world boxer Mohammad Ali Clay (although I dislike the sport of boxing); this is only an example; so when Cassius Clay (and this was his past name) converted and declared that he became a Muslim, he changed his name from Cassius to Mohammad Ali.

Similarly, a Jew called Leopold converted and changed his name into Muhammad Asad.

Now, when Muslims - at the start of the mission of Prophet Mohammed - converted they changed their names into some new names proper for the new faith rather than the idolatry.

Some companions and relatives of the Prophet had some ugly names pertaining to the pagan idolatry like Abd-Allat, Abd-Manat, Abd-Aluzza by which they were described as servants of such idols as Allat, Aluzza, Manat …etc.

Therefore, when God bestowed His guidance on them, and they were rightly guided and believed, they then disgusted from calling their comrades by names to describe them as the servants of the idols, so they started to change their names; but then how to do about the names of their fathers they started to call the fathers of their comrades by their titles or by their older son;

E.g. Abd-Allah son of Abu-Qahafa: this was the name of Abu Bakr; they called him by his title: the father of Bakr, when his name was Abd-Allat maybe;

and the same of Abu-Talib: this was the father of Ali son of Abu Talib (or son of the father of Talib), when his name was Abd-Aluzza; this was the father of Ali; so they called him Ali son of Abu Talib. And this was the uncle of the Prophet: his name was Abd-Aluzza. (The Uzza was the name of an idol).

So as you see, there is a great difference between Allah and Allat: Allah is the name of the Creator, while the Allat is the name of a certain idol that was later on destroyed and broken up.

And this is in the Quran 53: 19-23
أَفَرَأَيْتُمُ اللَّاتَ وَالْعُزَّى .وَمَنَاةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرَى . أَلَكُمُ الذَّكَرُ وَلَهُ الْأُنثَى . تِلْكَ إِذًا قِسْمَةٌ ضِيزَى . إِنْ هِيَ إِلَّا أَسْمَاء سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُم مَّا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِن سُلْطَانٍ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَمَا تَهْوَى الْأَنفُسُ وَلَقَدْ جَاءهُم مِّن رَّبِّهِمُ الْهُدَى ..الخ


The explanation:
(Have you considered El-Lat and El-Uzza, and Manat, the third [idol]?

Will the male [your sons] be for you, and the female be for Him [as do you claim the angels are God's daughters]?

Such would be indeed a division most unfair.

They are but names with which you have named [these stones], you and your fathers; God has revealed no authority to [worship] them [in any heavenly scripture.]

They follow but a guess and that which [their] souls desire; and yet guidance [included in the Quran] has come to them from their Lord [and even they have refused it.]

Or will man [who is unbeliever] have whatever [intercession of idols, angels or saints] for which he desire?)
 

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So you do realize that Allah was originally a moon Goddess. Good to know.


I didn't say that. On the contrary: Allah was and is still known to all the Arab and Muslims that Allah is the name of the Creator of the heavens and the earth, the Eternal, the All-Mighty, the All-Seeing and Most Gracious.

While Allat was an idol erected in Mecca and was broken up by Prophet Mohammed and the believers, together with all the idols in Mecca and Arabia, which was the purpose of Prophet Mohammed, the son of his father Prophet Abraham: the idol breaker. Who will now break anyone of the idols erected everywhere even in churches and the shrines of saints, sages and imams? :idea:

It may be some name or pronunciation similarities, of the word root and derivative.

Allah was not any idol that was broken; it is the idol Allat that was broken up.

Allah in Arabic is the same as God in English and Yahweh in Hebrew.

E.g. Although I don't know Hebrew, but there are some word root similarities between Arabic and Hebrew: I think the word Yahweh is derived from the word يا هو "Ya Hoo" which means in Arabic (O He) where He implies God - be glorified; which means O God! It may be as such, and God is the All-Knowing.

And if one searches about the origin of the word God in English, he may find similar findings; so it is not the letters of the word that is important, but what the word means.

Here some rigid Muslims, Christians and Jews insist that the name of the Creator should be only Yahweh or Allah or God, when these glorious words are only some language words, but the important thing is what the word indicates: the Creator the Lord of all nations.

This is in the Quran 29: 46

وَلَا تُجَادِلُوا أَهْلَ الْكِتَابِ إِلَّا بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ إِلَّا الَّذِينَ ظَلَمُوا مِنْهُمْ وَقُولُوا آمَنَّا بِالَّذِي أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَأُنزِلَ إِلَيْكُمْ وَإِلَهُنَا وَإِلَهُكُمْ وَاحِدٌ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

The explanation:
(But [O believers,] dispute not [concerning the religion] with the People of the Bible [lit. Scripture] unless it be in [a way] that is better [than theirs], except such of them as do wrong;

and say [to those, among Jews and Christians, who are not wrong-doers]:
"We believe in [the Quran] that has been revealed to us and [the Scripture: the Torah and the Gospel ] revealed to you,
our God and your God is One [the same One God],
and to Him we have surrendered."

Thus have We revealed to you [Mohammed] the Book [: the Quran; as had We before revealed the Law to Moses]; then those, [Jews and Christians who have converted], to whom We gave the Book [: the Torah and the Gospel] do believe [in the Quran]; some of these [Arabs] believe therein too;

but none denies Our revelations except the ungrateful [to God's bounties].)

 
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''Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism''

Some say Zoroastrianism (starting around 600 BCE) is the oldest form of monotheism. But the ancient Israelites practiced their religion at least 1,000 years before that if my understanding of history is correct.


Gopher, the oldest form of monotheism is Hinduism. Only it works slightly differently in Hinduism. In Hinduism, there is only one God, but he manifests himself as a Trinity, Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh (incidentally, I think that is where Christians got their concept of Trinity).

Of the three, Brahma (creator of the universe) is the weakest God of the three, he does not have any temples (except one), very few people worship him. Vishnu and Mahesh on the other hand, have thousands (or tens of thousands) of temples devoted to them, and they manifest themselves in many different forms. This is really the origin of many different Gods in Hinduism. All the millions of Gods can be traced back to Vishnu or Mahesh.

So at its base, Hinduism is as much a monotheistic religion as Judaism or Christianity. Some call it a pantheistic religion. But Hinduism very much believes in only one God.

Ancient Greek or Roman religions are truly polytheistic religions and they differ from Hindu religion in a very interesting manner. In Greek religion, Gods and Goddesses are always fighting with each other, they are constantly at each other’s throat.

However, I was told that in Hinduism, there is not a single fable of one God fighting another God (and there are millions of them in Hinduism). That would be like left hand of God fighting with right hand.
 

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They don't make any spelling mistrakes.


No, they have done many mistakes which I may correct:

The word Allah is not the word Allat.

Allah originally is Al ilah which means: the god.

Allah in Arabic language in the past and in the present time, indicates the Creator, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Eternal and Most Gracious. Allah is not any idol that was broken.

While Allat was one of the idols worshipped by the idolaters in Arabia, and was later broken up by Prophet Mohammed and the believers.

And I have cited, in the previous replies, the ayat 53: 19-23, 39: 38, 29: 46, 4: 117 which differentiate clearly between God Almighty (Allah in Arabic) and the other idols like Allat and Aluzza and other stone idols.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
 

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Gopher, the oldest form of monotheism is Hinduism. Only it works slightly differently in Hinduism. In Hinduism, there is only one God, but he manifests himself as a Trinity, Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh (incidentally, I think that is where Christians got their concept of Trinity).


The monotheism is older than Hinduism; it is as old as the universe; because it is the religion of God with which He sends the apostles to people.
This is in the Quran 3: 83
أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ
The explanation:
(What [religion] other than God's religion is that these [Jews and Christians] crave,
when to Him is resigned whosoever is in the heavens and the earth [: the planets including the earth], willingly or loath,
and to His [judgment] shall they return [after death]!?)

God – be glorified – sent His apostles to all nations with this monotheism: the devotion to God alone without associate, but later on the passing of generations and time will lead to distortion of the original monotheism into idolatry and polytheism.
Therefore, we see similarities because originally all the heavenly religions are the same monotheism; and we see diversity because of the distortion and changing into idolatry due to the enthusiasm about their prophets and apostles and religious men.

Of the three, Brahma (creator of the universe) is the weakest God of the three, he does not have any temples (except one), very few people worship him. Vishnu and Mahesh on the other hand, have thousands (or tens of thousands) of temples devoted to them, and they manifest themselves in many different forms. This is really the origin of many different Gods in Hinduism. All the millions of Gods can be traced back to Vishnu or Mahesh.


It may be then that Brahma is the name of God in Hindu, like God in English, Yahweh in Hebrew and Allah in Arabic.

So at its base, Hinduism is as much a monotheistic religion as Judaism or Christianity. Some call it a pantheistic religion. But Hinduism very much believes in only one God.


It may be that Hinduism was a heavenly religion at the start, then it has been distorted into idolatry and associating their righteous men with God Almighty the Creator of the universe. This is like Christianity today; if I have not been told in the Quran that their prophet is Jesus to him the Gospel was revealed, then I would have considered it one of the idolatry religions.

 

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According to the New Testament, he or she (female followers in the New Testament are also called apostles) can also create miracles such as healing the sick and raising the dead. That's what I want to see. :)


gopher, the apostle, any apostle, cannot create any miracle; the miracle is created by God and given to that apostle to prove he is truly sent by God.

It is in the Quran
13: 38
وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا رُسُلاً مِّن قَبْلِكَ وَجَعَلْنَا لَهُمْ أَزْوَاجًا وَذُرِّيَّةً وَمَا كَانَ لِرَسُولٍ أَن يَأْتِيَ بِآيَةٍ إِلاَّ بِإِذْنِ اللّهِ لِكُلِّ أَجَلٍ كِتَابٌ
The explanation:
(We did send [many] messengers before you [Mohammed], and appointed for them wives and offspring.

And it was never the part of any messenger to bring a miracle except as God permitted.

For every period was a book [and a kind of miracles suitable for that period of time, the apostle and his people].)

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
 

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''Judaism is older than Zoroastrianism''

Some say Zoroastrianism (starting around 600 BCE) is the oldest form of monotheism. But the ancient Israelites practiced their religion at least 1,000 years before that if my understanding of history is correct.


gopher,Monotheism is even older than Judaism :) Prophet Abraham who was before Judaism and before Christianity was a monotheist.

Monotheism is the religion of God with which He sent all the apostles and the First Commandment that God is One without associate is the most important of all the Commandments.

No apostle is sent but only to invite people to this religion: that God is One and the worship should be exclusive to Him alone.

Since Adam and the prophets after him, all the apostles of God to all nations, carried their missions to teach their nations this Commandment.

This is in the Quran 43: 45

وَاسْأَلْ مَنْ أَرْسَلْنَا مِن قَبْلِكَ مِن رُّسُلِنَا أَجَعَلْنَا مِن دُونِ الرَّحْمَنِ آلِهَةً يُعْبَدُونَ

The explanation:
(And [O Mohammed] ask [Gabriel whom We sent to] those of Our messengers We sent before you:

"Did We ever appoint any gods to be worshipped beside the Most Gracious?")

 

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''the apostle, any apostle, cannot create any miracle; the miracle is created by God and given to that apostle to prove he is truly sent by God''


I should have added that according to the New Testament, the apostle can create the miracles but only because of the presence of the Holy Spirit whose power remains unchanged since the time of the prophets and apostles.