Americans manufacture another nuclear crisis

[EagleSmack]

Don't count on that, the Taliban were political arm of the coalition that defeated the Russians.

The Taliban emerged after the Soviets left Afghanistan. They were not a political arm that helped defeat the Soviets. They were formed mostly of young men in madras's from Afghani refugees. Most Taliban were too young to fight the Soviets. They came on the scene during the Afghan Civil War.

 

[EagleSmack]

During this war, the US gave Iraq access to satellite imagery which allowed Iraq to see Iran's military positions and use their CWs more effectively. The US also loaned Iraq military advisors who interpreted this data and provided battle planning assistance. These advisors even went onto the battlefields along side Iraqi officers even on the Iranian side of the border where they reported back to the US their observations regarding Iraq's CW attacks.

Did they? I did not see anything about this in any hyperlinks you provided.

Oh well... You can always make it up.

Which is what you did.

 

[Spade]

Did they? I did not see anything about this in any hyperlinks you provided.

Oh well... You can always make it up.

Which is what you did.

Wow, making it up about Iraq! Hey, is that new?

Morning, EagleSmack!

 

[EagleSmack]

Wow, making it up about Iraq! Hey, is that new?

Morning, EagleSmack!

Morning Spade.

So what is good for the goose is good for the gander? You agree that he made that up?

 

[Cliffy]

Morning Spade.

So what is good for the goose is good for the gander? You agree that he made that up?

I think you must get paid to discredit legitimate information about American wrong doing in the world with ridicule and misinformation.

 

[Cliffy]

I am shaking my head.....in amusement....at you!

Self-delusion can be a very funny thing.........exactly what WMD are the US exporting in amounts so large that they are essential to the American economy????
In fact, I'd be interested to know what WMD the USA is exporting AT ALL?????

Funny.......one little protest in NYC hardly a pogrom makes......that is hilarious, especially when you consider Obama's father was a Muslim......didn't stop him from winning a landslide election. I see no hate-mongering over Iran....I see some concern over their nuclear program, but hate-mongering??? Not even close.

When I see a Senate Committee to Investigate Muslim Unamerican Activities....then I will grant you your point.

"Are you now, or have you ever been a Muslim?"

Hasn't happened, has it?

Your analogy is ludicrous, your accusations without foundation.

The US has been hate mongering in the Middle East for over 50 years. They can't seem to mention Muslims without the word terrorist thrown in, starting with the Palestinians and anybody who disagrees with their foreign policies and anything to do with Israel. The whole point of American involvement in the Middle East has been about destabilizing the area so they cn control the oil, having pitted Muslim against Muslim groups and nations.

The only reason I point these things out is to counter balance all the anti Muslim hatred being spewed on here by those who think the propaganda coming out of the US is the truth.

War technology is their number one export and to keep the money flowing, American Foreign policy has the CIA and other agents provocateurs fomenting wars and revolutions all over the globe. But, Oh NO! your precious Yankees wouldn't do anything that sinister, would they? You and Jack should both move to the Ozarks.

 

[EagleSmack]

I think you must get paid to discredit legitimate information about American wrong doing in the world with ridicule and misinformation.

Yeah... I do. I make a fortune. :roll:

 

[Niflmir]

Cliffy, you should really try and deal with reality, if only occassionally.

US military spending in 2009 will be about $ 1 trillion dollars (!!!!!!).....that includes Defence Department budget and extra spending on the military that falls outside of that budget. That is about 8% of the US GDP. Especially considering the vast majority of that budget goes to salaries, base upkeep, and all the expenditures necessary to keep a modern army in the field, your contention that
" their economy is based on the production of WMDs" is ludicrous....at best.

Secondly, your idea that a paranoid USA sees Muslims under every bed is simply silly. The USA does not even count people by their religion........but it is estimated there are between 5 and 7 million Muslims living in the USA....in peace and harmony.

THINK before you post......

What is the GDP exactly?

The U.S. Department of Defense budget accounted in fiscal year 2009 for about 21% of the United States federal budgeted expenditures and 24% of estimated tax revenues. Including non-DOD expenditures, defense spending was approximately 31-37% of budgeted expenditures and 35-42% of estimated tax revenues. According to the Congressional Budget Office, defense spending grew 9% annually on average from fiscal year 2000-2009.[8]

Apparently an example of a poor statistic to answer a legitimate quesiton.

Also, in relation to counting people by their religion, apparently you are ignorant of this little office. But what does this have to do with being scared of Muslims? Nothing. It is a complete non sequitur/strawman.

 

[Colpy]

What is the GDP exactly?



Apparently an example of a poor statistic to answer a legitimate quesiton.

Also, in relation to counting people by their religion, apparently you are ignorant of this little office. But what does this have to do with being scared of Muslims? Nothing. It is a complete non sequitur/strawman.

​

Real gross domestic product -- the output of goods and services produced by labor and property located in the United States -- had a value of 14.26 Trillion dollars in 2008.

This is the total production of the economy, which Cliffy claimed was based on the production of WMD for export. An idiotic assumption, as the entire US expenditure on military items is only about 8% of the GDP, which kinda kills his argument even before one considers that any WMD production would be a tiny fraction of that 8%, and I don't know of ANY US export of WMD.

The economy is based on all economic activity, not just the money spent by government, which is why I did not use the figures you quote.

As for Muslims, I hear no serious outcry over their mistreatment in the USA.....and one so easily forgets that the USA went to war in defense of Muslim Kuwait and Saudi Arabia against secular Iraq..........and went to war to defend Muslims in Kosovo......

 

[Niflmir]

Aha. Ok, I see why you quoted the GDP then.

Well, I think the wars they fight have political reasons that don't have much to do with public opinion about the cultures they are fighting/protecting. There has certainly been a rise in the past 8 years in the number of complaints/comments about muslims. As to what it means, I don't know.

 

[earth_as_one]

Did they? I did not see anything about this in any hyperlinks you provided.

Oh well... You can always make it up.

Which is what you did.

I always quote references. In this case, my source was wikipedia, which referenced a book by Canadian investigative reporter Barry Lando, who was a writer for "60 Minutes".

....The American military commitment that had begun with intelligence-sharing expanded rapidly and surreptitiously throughout the Iran–Iraq War. A former White House official explained that "by 1987, our people were actually providing tactical military advice to the Iraqis in the battlefield, and sometimes they would find themselves over the Iranian border, alongside Iraqi troops." p. 38

Author Barry M. Lando says, by 1987, the U.S. military was so invested in the correct outcome, that "officers from the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency dispatched to Baghdad were actually planning day-by-day strategic bombing strikes for the Iraqi Air Force."[20][7] Iraq used this data to target Iranian positions with chemical weapons, according to ambassador Galbraith.[15]....

^ a b c d Lando, Barry Web of Deceit: The History of Western Complicity in Iraq, from Churchill to Kennedy to George W. Bush, Other Press, 2007.

Barry M. Lando spent over 25 years as an award-winning investigative producer with 60 Minutes. The author of numerous articles about Iraq, he produced a documentary about Saddam Hussein that has been shown around the world.

A Canadian citizen, Lando was born in Vancouver and now lives in Paris.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here are some other related factoids:

The Boston Globe
August 31, 2006

Although Iraq had started the war with a blitzkrieg attack in 1980, the tide had turned by 1982 in favor of much larger Iran, and the Reagan administration was afraid Iraq might actually lose. Reagan chose Rumsfeld as his emissary to Hussein, whom he visited in December 1983 and March 1984. Inconveniently, Iraq had begun to use chemical weapons against Iran in November 1983, the first sustained use of poison gas since a 1925 treaty banning that.

Rumsfeld never mentioned this blatant violation of international law to Hussein, instead focusing on shared hostility toward Iran and an oil pipeline through Jordan. Rumsfeld apparently did mention it to Tariq Aziz, Iraq's foreign minister, but by not raising the issue with the paramount leader he signaled that good relations were more important to the United States than the use of poison gas.

This message was reinforced by US conduct after the Rumsfeld missions. The Reagan administration offered Hussein financial credits that eventually made Iraq the third-largest recipient of US assistance. It normalized diplomatic relations and, most significantly, began providing Iraq with battlefield intelligence. Iraq used this information to target Iranian troops with chemical weapons. And when Iraq turned its chemical weapons on the Kurds in 1988, killing 5,000 in the town of Halabja, the Reagan administration sought to obscure responsibility by falsely suggesting Iran was also responsible....

The true Iraq appeasers - The Boston Globe

I can find many sources which confirm the above.

Halabja : America didn't seem to mind poison gas
By Joost R. Hiltermann
Published: Friday, January 17, 2003

...Analysis of thousands of captured Iraqi secret police documents and declassified U.S. government documents, as well as interviews with scores of Kurdish survivors, senior Iraqi defectors and retired U.S. intelligence officers, show (1) that Iraq carried out the attack on Halabja, and (2) that the United States, fully aware it was Iraq, accused Iran, Iraq's enemy in a fierce war, of being partly responsible for the attack. The State Department instructed its diplomats to say that Iran was partly to blame....

Halabja : America didn't seem to mind poison gas - The New York Times

In December 2002, Iraq submitted a document to UNMOVIC detailing their past WMD programs. It named suppliers. A copy was leaked to a German Newspaper which published a list of firms that assisted Iraq's WMD program.

December 18, 2002
Leaked Report Says German and US Firms Supplied Arms to Saddam

Baghdad's uncensored report to UN names Western companies alleged to have developed its weapons of mass destruction

by Tony Paterson in Berlin

Iraq's 11,000-page report to the UN Security Council lists 150 foreign companies, including some from America, Britain, Germany and France, that supported Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction program, a German newspaper said yesterday.

Berlin's left-wing Die Tageszeitung newspaper said it had seen a copy of the original Iraqi dossier which was vetted for sensitive information by US officials before being handed to the five permanent Security Council members two weeks ago. An edited version was passed to the remaining 10 members of the Security Council last night.

British officials said the list of companies appeared to be accurate. Eighty German firms and 24 US companies are reported to have supplied Iraq with equipment and know-how for its weapons programs from 1975 onwards and in some cases support for Baghdad's conventional arms program had continued until last year.

It is not known who leaked the report, but it could have come from Iraq. Baghdad is keen to embarrass the US and its allies by showing the close involvement of US, German, British and French firms in helping Iraq develop its weapons of mass destruction when the country was a bulwark against the much feared spread of Iranian revolutionary fervor to the Arab world.

The list contained the names of long-established German firms such as Siemens as well as US multinationals. With government approval, Siemens exported machines used to eliminate kidney stones which have a "dual use" high precision switch used to detonate nuclear bombs. Ten French companies were also named along with a number of Swiss and Chinese firms. The newspaper said a number of British companies were cited, but did not name them.

"From about 1975 onwards, these companies are shown to have supplied entire complexes, building elements, basic materials and technical know-how for Saddam Hussein's program to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction," the newspaper said. "They also supplied rockets and complete conventional weapons systems," it added.

The five permanent members of the Security Council – the United States, Britain, Russia, France and China – have repeatedly opposed revealing the extent of foreign companies' involvement, although a mass of relevant information was collected by UN weapons inspectors who visited the country between 1991 and 1998. The UN claims that publishing the extent of the companies' involvement in Iraq would jeopardize necessary co-operation with such firms....

Leaked Report Says German and US Firms Supplied Arms to Saddam

American companies which helped Iraq's WMD programs:

• [A - nuclear; K - chemical; B - biological; R - rockets (missiles)]
  1. Honeywell (R,K)
  2. Spektra Physics (K)
  3. Semetex (R)
  4. TI Coating (A,K)
  5. UNISYS (A,K)
  6. Sperry Corp. (R,K)
  7. Tektronix (R,A)
  8. Rockwell (K)
  9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
  10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
  11. Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)
  12. Dupont (A)
  13. Eastman Kodak (R)
  14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
  15. Alcolac International (C)
  16. Consarc (A)
  17. Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)
  18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
  19. Electronic Assiciates (R)
  20. International Computer Systems
  21. Bechtel (K)
  22. EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)
  23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
  24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
  
  -Die Tageszeitung (Berlin daily),18/12/02

 

[damngrumpy]

The Taliban and the other groups are nothing more than tribesmen from another time, we cannot trust them period let alone negotiate with them. The eventual
answer will be, like it or not, total war. All this talk about living in peace is not
for real either, 7 million enemy living amongst us that gives me no comfort at
all. I am not a fire breathing Christian, Muslim or Jew or anything else. I think
we should untie the hands of our military and let them get on with ridding ourselves of this inconvenience. I don't believe that every Christian, Jew or for
that matter every Muslim is out to kill us either. There are far too many allowed
into this country without finding out who they are and what they have been up to
We even have some fuzzy warm people running around trying to get some returned
home from the American lockup. I think we should say rot wherever you are you
supported the enemy in a foreign land and to hell with you. Its not like this guy
was a tourist, and his family has said some pretty anti Canadian stuff with a
Canadian passport in their pocket. Talking peace with these people is a total
and utter waste of time and effort.

 

[EagleSmack]

I always quote references. In this case, my source was wikipedia, which referenced a book by Canadian investigative reporter Barry Lando, who was a writer for "60 Minutes".

Here are some other related factoids:
I can find many sources which confirm the above.

In December 2002, Iraq submitted a document to UNMOVIC detailing their past WMD programs. It named suppliers. A copy was leaked to a German Newspaper which published a list of firms that assisted Iraq's WMD program.

American companies which helped Iraq's WMD programs:

• [A - nuclear; K - chemical; B - biological; R - rockets (missiles)]
  1. Honeywell (R,K)
  2. Spektra Physics (K)
  3. Semetex (R)
  4. TI Coating (A,K)
  5. UNISYS (A,K)
  6. Sperry Corp. (R,K)
  7. Tektronix (R,A)
  8. Rockwell (K)
  9. Leybold Vacuum Systems (A)
  10. Finnigan-MAT-US (A)
  11. Hewlett Packard (A.R,K)
  12. Dupont (A)
  13. Eastman Kodak (R)
  14. American Type Culture Collection (B)
  15. Alcolac International (C)
  16. Consarc (A)
  17. Carl Zeis -U.Ss (K)
  18. Cerberus (LTD) (A)
  19. Electronic Assiciates (R)
  20. International Computer Systems
  21. Bechtel (K)
  22. EZ Logic Data Systems,Inc. (R)
  23. Canberra Industries Inc. (A)
  24. Axel Electronics Inc. (A)
  
  -Die Tageszeitung (Berlin daily),18/12/02

The NY Times... The Boston Globe...CommonDreams (Breaking News for the Progressive Community)... I need look no further.

 

[Goober]

EAO

Quoting EagleSmack Did they? I did not see anything about this in any hyperlinks you provided.

Oh well... You can always make it up.

Which is what you did.
​

I always quote references. In this case, my source was wikipedia, which referenced a book by Canadian investigative reporter Barry Lando, who was a writer for "60 Minutes".

EAO -Reynaldo used to report for 60 minutes - and your point would be - No - stop reaching for the top of your head - you might puncture your hand. You pal always - XXOO Gober.

 

[earth_as_one]

First I'm accused of making stuff up, despite my referencing links. (Which is insulting.)

Then I posted direct quotes from these sources, because you guys can't read.

Then I found a leaked list of the specific American companies named in Iraq's classified December 2002 submission to the UNSC.

What exactly are you looking for? How about an interview of the reporter who broke this story?

...The list of companies who worked with Iraq was supposed to be top secret. Iraq produced only two identical copies of its 12,000-page report for international review. One went to the International Atomic Energy Agency and one went to the United Nations. The Bush Administration quickly took control of the UN version, and made unedited copies for the other permanent members of the Security Council, Britain, France, Russia and China. The U.S. then made edited copies, which deleted all reference to nuclear weapons production and all mentions of international corporations. This was the report that the world was supposed to see.

But the German paper obtained several hundred pages of unedited text and began publishing articles based on the leaked documents yesterday. We’re joined right now from Geneva by Andreas Zumach, the journalist who broke the story for Die Tageszeitung.



Guest:

• Andreas Zumach, Geneva-based UN correspondent with the German newspaper Die Tageszeitung who obtained an unedited copy of Iraq’s 12,000 page report to the United Nations. The report reveals how German and U.S. corporations helped build Iraq’s weapons program.

Top Secret Iraq Weapons Report Says the U.S. Government & Corporations Helped to Illegally Arm Iraq We Talk with the German Reporter Who Obtained Leaked Portions of the Unedited Report That Names Hewl

Listen from 9 minutes to 28 minutes.
Democracy Now! | Listen/Watch December 18, 2002

Even if I posted a link to the classified report, I doubt that would make any difference. I could post mountains of evidence which contract your perceptions and even though you can't produce a shred of evidence which supports your perceptions, you would still choose not to believe the facts supported by evidence.

Why don't you guys post a few references to reputable sources which proves that American companies did not assist Iraq with their WMD programs.

 

[Cliffy]

First I'm accused of making stuff up, despite my referencing links. (Which is insulting.)

Then I posted direct quotes from these sources, because you guys can't read.

Then I found a leaked list of the specific American companies named in Iraq's classified December 2002 submission to the UNSC.

What exactly are you looking for? How about an interview of the reporter who broke this story?



Even if I posted a link to the classified report, I doubt that would make any difference. I could post mountains of evidence which contract your perceptions and even though you can't produce a shred of evidence which supports your perceptions, you would still choose not to believe the facts supported by evidence.

Why don't you guys post a few references to reputable sources which proves that American companies did not assist Iraq with their WMD programs.

Because like 90% of North Americans, they do not want to be confused by facts. They live in their little fantasy about how great we are and will kill anybody who ties to wake them up to reality. You are beating your head on a brick wall.

 

[Goober]

First I'm accused of making stuff up, despite my referencing links. (Which is insulting.)

Then I posted direct quotes from these sources, because you guys can't read.

Then I found a leaked list of the specific American companies named in Iraq's classified December 2002 submission to the UNSC.

What exactly are you looking for? How about an interview of the reporter who broke this story?

Even if I posted a link to the classified report, I doubt that would make any difference. I could post mountains of evidence which contract your perceptions and even though you can't produce a shred of evidence which supports your perceptions, you would still choose not to believe the facts supported by evidence.

Why don't you guys post a few references to reputable sources which proves that American companies did not assist Iraq with their WMD programs.

EAO - You have set the impression that you are more an apologist for Hamas, Hezbollah and Imanujob from Iran - Everyone with a bit of sense knew the US and other countries provided suport to Iraq during the 81-89 war - Just as they knew about the gassing of Kurds - I knew - it was public info - I heard very little then even though it was a war crime.
Question - Should Iran develop a nuke weapon - what would be your response?

 

[earth_as_one]

Goober, I have posted facts supported by evidence which contradict your misinformed perceptions. I have never "apologized" for Hamas, Hezbollah or Imanujob from Iran. In fact, I fully support bringing all war criminals to justice, even ones from these groups and I've posted this many times. You guys can't admit you are wrong, so you attack me with smears.

I have answered this question many times. Again for the record, I don't support any country possessing nuclear weapons including Iran.

Again for the record, no one has any proof that Iran seeks nuclear weapons or has violated the NPT.

I've seen a lot of allegations, fear mongering and so on, but no proof.

What is ridiculous are statements like this:

Iran said it test-fired short-range missiles in a show of force Sunday as Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton said that the country would have to prove it is not developing nuclear weapons or face more sanctions....
Clinton: Iran needs to prove it isn't pursuing nuclear weapons - TheHill.com

Typical BS propaganda.

1) Missile systems aren't very useful unless you can prove they work. A test isn't a threat. Its a test. Its how bugs in the technology are worked out. Iran's missile systems are legal and probably the main reason why they haven't been attacked.

2) In all civilized countries, the criminal justice system requires the accuser prove guilt, rather than the accused prove innocence for good reason. Without the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", baseless accusations would lead to false imprisonment. Requiring Iran to prove their innocence or face sanctions or worse is exactly the same rational which led to the US to launch an unprovoked attack on Iraq for their non-existent WMD stockpiles. The US demanded that Iran prove they did not possess WMD stockpiles, which is a logical impossibility, just like demands that Iran prove their nuclear program is peaceful. Iran has opened their facilities up to inspection, just like Iraq, and just like Iraq, nothing is being found. Just like Iraq, finding nothing doesn't prove innocence. It may only prove you haven't looked hard enough. An assumption of guilt can never be disproven. But an assumption of innocent can be disproven.

So this a manufactured "crisis". The US has found nothing to support their allegations that Iran has a covert nuclear weapon program, yet Iran faces sanctions until they can prove their innocence??? Ridiculous.

Meanwhile, every nuclear possessing nation is in violation of the NPT.

Question: Why should Israel be allowed to violate the NPT and possess nukes without facing sanctions?

 

[Goober]

Goober, I have posted facts supported by evidence which contradict your misinformed perceptions. I have never "apologized" for Hamas, Hezbollah or Imanujob from Iran. In fact, I fully support bringing all war criminals to justice, even ones from these groups and I've posted this many times. You guys can't admit you are wrong, so you attack me with smears.

I have answered this question many times. Again for the record, I don't support any country possessing nuclear weapons including Iran.

Again for the record, no one has any proof that Iran seeks nuclear weapons or has violated the NPT.

I've seen a lot of allegations, fear mongering and so on, but no proof.

What is ridiculous are statements like this:



Typical BS propaganda.

1) Missile systems aren't very useful unless you can prove they work. A test isn't a threat. Its a test. Its how bugs in the technology are worked out. Iran's missile systems are legal and probably the main reason why they haven't been attacked.

2) In all civilized countries, the criminal justice system requires the accuser prove guilt, rather than the accused prove innocence for good reason. Without the principle of "innocent until proven guilty", baseless accusations would lead to false imprisonment. Requiring Iran to prove their innocence or face sanctions or worse is exactly the same rational which led to the US to launch an unprovoked attack on Iraq for their non-existent WMD stockpiles. The US demanded that Iran prove they did not possess WMD stockpiles, which is a logical impossibility, just like demands that Iran prove their nuclear program is peaceful. Iran has opened their facilities up to inspection, just like Iraq, and just like Iraq, nothing is being found. Just like Iraq, finding nothing doesn't prove innocence. It may only prove you haven't looked hard enough. An assumption of guilt can never be disproven. But an assumption of innocent can be disproven.

So this a manufactured "crisis". The US has found nothing to support their allegations that Iran has a covert nuclear weapon program, yet Iran faces sanctions until they can prove their innocence??? Ridiculous.

Meanwhile, every nuclear possessing nation is in violation of the NPT.

Question: Why should Israel be allowed to violate the NPT and possess nukes without facing sanctions?

Question: Why should Israel be allowed to violate the NPT and possess nukes without facing sanctions?

Iran signed it - Isreal did not -
Point - Irans actions and rhetoric do nothing to calm a situation but inflame it.
Point - They have tested those missiles a number of times.

 

[earth_as_one]

So what you are saying is that Iran faces sanctions because they signed the NPT and Israel doesn't face sanctions because they did not sign the NPT. So what's the motivation to sign the NPT???

It appears that nations are better off if they don't sign the NPT. Based on Israel's example, Iran should withdraw from the NPT and model their nuclear program after Israel's nuclear program. Israel's case proves that signing the NPT is a bad idea. Israel never allowed IAEA inspections and they clandestinely developed nuclear weapons. Even though Israel is deliberately vague about their status, its widely known they possess nukes. Do you actually think that if Iran did what Israel has done the world would be a safer place? I don't.

I've posted many times on this forum, information which discredits claims about Iran's actions and rhetoric. We have been fed manipulative lies. Lets try to debate the facts, not get side tracked by misinformation.

No doubt, Iran does not recognize Israel's legitimacy. But their solution to Israel is a referendum, not war or slaughter. Iran is not accused of war crimes, has not started wars with its neighbors and currently Iran has good relations with its neighbors. The only nation that feels threatened by Iran is Israel. Unlike Iran, Israel is accused of war crimes, has poor relations with it neighbors and is in a constate of war with a least two of its neighbors.

Then there is North Korea. They are no longer signatories of the NPT and they possess nukes just like Israel, India and Pakistan. Why does North Korea alone face sanctions while Israel, India and Pakistan do not??? Sounds like a double standard.

North Korea's case proves that the NPT applies whether a nation has signed it or not. Yet that principle is only applied to North Korea.

Then there are the nations which have signed the NPT and have violated it. All nuclear weapon possessing states have failed to reduce and eliminate their nuclear arsenals. Worse, they have also continued to develop new types of nukes. Yet not the these NPT violatators has fanced any sanctions. In fact these nations are the ones imposing sanctions on Iran which is NPT compliant.

I don't believe in hypocrisy or double standards. What about you?

Question: Why are india, Israel and Pakistan not held to the same standard as North Korea?


related:
Tad Daley: Radioactive Hypocrisy: American Nuclear Hubris Threatens Perpetual Nuclear Proliferation

unrelated: I came across this statement. Is North Korea's explanation why they unsigned the NPT. I learned a few new things:
North Korea Explains Withdrawal from the NPT

BTW, I agree with sanctions against North Korea. But I also believe that the same standards should apply to India, Israel and Pakistan.