A 9/11 Reality Check

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Posted on Sep 8, 2009

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]By Robert Scheer

What if eight years ago the World Trade Center had been leveled by a small nuclear bomb that took out most of lower Manhattan as well? How many millions of innocent civilians would we have killed in retaliation? Would we still be a free society, or would Dick Cheney have attained the power of a demented king, having moved on from snooping on our phone calls and outing honest CIA agents to destroying the last vestiges of the rule of law?

As assaults on a society go, the 9/11 attacks, which left 3,000 dead and are sure to be described in this anniversary week as being among the greatest of historical outrages, were something less than that, given the world’s experience with the ravages of war.

The countless Russians and the 6 million Jews killed by those so finely educated Germans come to mind. The 3.4 million Vietnamese, mostly rice farmers, whom Robert McNamara admitted to having helped kill with his carpet-bombing of their country, are a forgotten footnote. Yet we who have never experienced such carnage on our home front all too easily poke out tens of thousands of eyes for each lost one of our own.

Surely two planes crashing into office buildings and another hitting the Pentagon doesn’t compare to the leveling of every major city in Japan with conventional bombing, capped off by the mass murder of hundreds of thousands more at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Speaking of eyes lost, mark the words of Hiroshima’s mayor two years ago: “That fateful summer, 8:15 AM. The roar of a B-29 breaks the morning calm. A parachute opens in the blue sky. Then suddenly, a flash, an enormous blast—silence—hell on Earth. The eyes of young girls watching the parachute were melted.”

We assumed that the Japanese people would readily forgive us and, having been raised in the spirit of total obedience to their emperor, they accommodated our occupation quite well, even injecting industrial-grade silicon into their women’s breasts to satisfy the erotic appetites of our soldiers.

Americans who blithely claim the moral high ground with every pledge of allegiance to a flag that, because it is American, is assumed to have never been sullied by imperial greed or moral contradiction expect no less than instant and full forgiveness for our “mistakes.” Only last month, four decades after he led the massacre of 500 villagers in My Lai, Vietnam, did former Army Lt. William Calley express “regret” for his crimes. He served no time in prison for the point-blank shooting of toddlers, thanks to the commutation of his sentence by Richard Nixon, who might have been anticipating his own need for a presidential pardon.

In blind and wrathful retaliation for 9/11 we wreaked havoc on Iraq, a nation that our then-president knew had not attacked us, and we continue to slaughter peasants in Afghanistan who aren’t able to find Manhattan on a map.

We, a people whose nation has never suffered a long and widespread occupation, easily gave vent to our most barbaric impulses, assuming the absolute right to arrest and torture anyone anywhere in the world without revealing his identity, let alone respecting a single one of those God-given rights that we claim for ourselves alone.

And even when we identify the few we hold responsible for the attacks on our soil, we refuse them public and fair trials even after years of torturing them.

But we do have a saving grace for our experiment in democracy—although unfortunately it did not exist in the Supreme Court or Congress as a barrier to an imperial vice presidency. It is the power of the lone whistle-blower of conscience, occasionally given voice in what remains of our free press and which can influence presidential elections, as happened quite dramatically this last time around. There are those like Joe Wilson, who exposed presidential fraud masquerading as national security concern over bogus Iraqi purchases of uranium from Niger, and more recently the truth-telling of Ali H. Soufan, a former FBI agent and lead interrogator of terrorists.

In Sunday’s New York Times, Soufan, who was involved in obtaining much reliable information from prisoners before they were tortured, observed that the recently released memos cited by Cheney to back his argument that torture was efficient actually “fail to show that the techniques stopped even a single imminent threat of terrorism.”

So, Cheney is again proved wrong, but if there had been a larger attack on 9/11, I doubt whether many free souls would be around now to tell him so.
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Kreskin

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Dick Cheney would be living the life of Riley if only he'd nuked Manhattan and become King. I can see the obvious motivation for destroying his own country. Duck hunting without worrying about laws and stuff - things couldn't get any better.
 

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Dick Cheney would be living the life of Riley if only he'd nuked Manhattan and become King. I can see the obvious motivation for destroying his own country. Duck hunting without worrying about laws and stuff - things couldn't get any better.
Does Riley call Dubai home now too?
 

Kreskin

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Conspiracies aside, it`s a date most people in the world are celebrating in their own private way.

Why would Dick Cheney want other people to celebrate? That in itself defies the conspiracy logic.
 

AnnaG

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Geee and yet another 911 thread. As if we don't have one going already.
 

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What I don’t understand is what did 9/11 have to do with Iraq. Afghanistan, yes. But Iraq?

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He was not a Fundamentalist Muslim, there was no love lost between him and Osama Ben Laden. Why did so many people have to die in Iraq?

More American citizens died in Iraq than died in 9/11 terrorist attack, not to mention the half a million Iraqis. Why was invasion of Iraq necessary, what did that have to do with 9/11?
 

Kreskin

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If it happens again I say Canadians take over the US. We'll put in a parliamentary system and nationalize healthcare (and raise taxes).
 

JBeee

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To make up for the embarassment G-Dubya`s daddy went through during the 1`st debacle in 91?

Look, Canada could have been responsible for 9/11 and the US would have done the same thing...attacked Iraq. It chose a defenseless and crippled country and long time foe (Saddam) to exact revenge. As long as it thought it would be acceptable in the eyes of the world,(which it turned out to be), the US chose a perfectly weak and vulnerable target to appease the American population for the kick in the nuts it received in 2001.

Death counts and those who suffer mean nothing to US terrorism so long as the message gets through.

Sadly, we, till this day, hold GW and Co. high on a pedelstal for these crimes against humanity.

Shame on us for not convicting these war criminals as of yet.


What I don’t understand is what did 9/11 have to do with Iraq. Afghanistan, yes. But Iraq?

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He was not a Fundamentalist Muslim, there was no love lost between him and Osama Ben Laden. Why did so many people have to die in Iraq?

More American citizens died in Iraq than died in 9/11 terrorist attack, not to mention the half a million Iraqis. Why was invasion of Iraq necessary, what did that have to do with 9/11?
 

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what i don’t understand is what did 9/11 have to do with iraq. Afghanistan, yes. But iraq?

Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11. He was not a fundamentalist muslim, there was no love lost between him and osama ben laden. Why did so many people have to die in iraq?

More american citizens died in iraq than died in 9/11 terrorist attack, not to mention the half a million iraqis. Why was invasion of iraq necessary, what did that have to do with 9/11?

bushmaniac
 

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[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]Surely two planes crashing into office buildings and another hitting the Pentagon doesn’t compare to the leveling of every major city in Japan with conventional bombing, capped off by the mass murder of hundreds of thousands more at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Speaking of eyes lost, mark the words of Hiroshima’s mayor two years ago: “That fateful summer, 8:15 AM. The roar of a B-29 breaks the morning calm. A parachute opens in the blue sky. Then suddenly, a flash, an enormous blast—silence—hell on Earth. The eyes of young girls watching the parachute were melted.”[/FONT]

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]We assumed that the Japanese people would readily forgive us and, having been raised in the spirit of total obedience to their emperor, they accommodated our occupation quite well, even injecting industrial-grade silicon into their women’s breasts to satisfy the erotic appetites of our soldiers.[/FONT]



The devastation of the atomic bomb was great, but I'm afraid it blots out everything
else. If the war had continued as it was, it would have gone on for many more
months or years, and throughout mainland japan, there would have been hundreds
of thousands more deaths on both sides, and the japanese, although they were given
opportunities to surrender would 'do no such thing, so on they went.
The japanese are also responsible for the bomb, as they could have prevented it
as well, but the blind pride and stubborness continued, as it was 'they' who started
the war, and would not admit when defeated, they would have seen their entire
army and civillian population die, without blinking an eyelash before surrendering.
The 'bomb' did that in 'very' short order, and saved many 'allie' lives, but could
have been prevented BY THE JAPANESE LEADERSHIP.
 

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What did GB1 do wrong in Iraq?

Kreskin, according to conservatives, Bush Sr. should not have stopped after liberating Kuwait, he should have invaded Iraq and taken Saddam out. The fact that UN mission was only concerning Kuwait, he did not have UN mandate to invade Iraq means noting to Conservatives, they have not come across a war they did not like (except Kosovo, that was started by Clinton. Hatred for Clinton trumps their love for any war).

Anyway, so one theory is that Bush Jr. wanted to complete his daddy’s unfulfilled mission, that is why he invaded Iraq.
 

JBeee

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Set the stage for and then put a blind eye to Iraq`s interests..namely Kuwait`s (formerly an Iraqi state) oil. Once Iraq got the green light to take back what was theirs, it, the US, attacked. The beginning of severe punishment to the Iraqi population resulting in countless deaths...blocking medicine etc. Ten years later and a weakend country by now, GB jr. takes advantage of this situation using 9/11 as an excuse.

Bottom line? The US is the bully of the world today. Trouble makers and cowards in every sense of the term.

Yellow-bellied cowards with big guns and no guts.

I celebrate today`s date with countless millions around the world.

Long live Ossama!

*ps...Sir Joseph..Im not rehashing you in my response to Kreskin...it takes me ages to type (find the keys lol) to type out a simple paragraph!! But yea...similar respones for sure.*
What did GB1 do wrong in Iraq?
 
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SirJosephPorter

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*ps...Sir Joseph..Im not rehashing you in my response to Kreskin...it takes me ages to type (find the keys lol) to type out a simple paragraph!! But yea...similar respones for sure.*

No problem, JBeee. If you rehash my response, why I would be flattered.