How to achieve the objectives of the gun control laws?

DaSleeper

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Isn't Ron Paul the hero of the 9-11 "truthers"?

You mean this???
Rejection of conspiracy theory

Paul does not believe the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks were a government conspiracy and has explicitly denied being a 9/11 "truther", arguing that the issue is not a conspiracy but a failure of bureaucracy.[59][60] He believes the 9/11 Commission Report's main goal was "to protect the government and to protect their ineptness - not ... to do this so they can use this as an excuse to spread the war .... Some who did want to spread the war would use it as an opportunity. But, it wasn't something that was deliberately done."[59][62] He does not think the government would have staged such an attack.[63] When asked whether "9/11 was orchestrated by the government," Paul emphasized, "Absolutely not."[64] Paul has stated that he is concerned that someone might create a "contrived Gulf of Tonkin – type incident" to justify the invasion of Iran or suspend the democratic process, adding, "Let’s hope I’m wrong about this one."[30]
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lone wolf

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I guess so man. A 30 day Rx for percoset will run you around $600 per month without any govt program Drs bills the system $150 per visit to fill an Rx like all the others? Total $750 * 30 = $25 leaving the street guy actually making $5.

Wow, do you ever use screwed-up math! First off, you can eliminate doctor from the equation. How many dope dealers care if you have script - unless they can photocopy the pad to scam the drug store?

If the problem can't be understood, it can't be fixed. A long gun registry isn't it and creating criminals isn't it.
 

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Should a five year old be allowed to buy a machine gun?
Should a person with dangerous mental illnesses be allowed to buy a gun?
Should a convicted murderer be able to?
Should anyone be allowed to buy a rocket launcher?

If you answer no to any of those questions or any of a multitude of similar ones I can dream up, you think we need gun control.

The question is usually, how much? We can make it extremely difficult for guns to be acquired legitimately by dangerous people (criminals) in Canada, but if it is easy to acquire in the US and they are easily smuggled across the border, what is the point? We need tighter borders or cooperative neighbours and we have neither.

The point of a gun is to kill something. It should never be the same as buying a sandwich.

Unfortunately, what we have done in Canada is make it difficult, frustrating, and legally risky for an honest man to buy a gun.

Criminals get them easily.
 

Unforgiven

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Unfortunately, what we have done in Canada is make it difficult, frustrating, and legally risky for an honest man to buy a gun.

Criminals get them easily.

Isn't that due to an absolute denial of reality by the firearms community who refuse to accept the gun problem as their own and step up to regulate sensibly rather than leave it to knee jerk reactionism by those who just don't know or understand the issues?
 

AnnaG

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But that would mean the "conspiracy theories" and "patriot groups" are right and there is a hidden agenda in the works?
Yes. But, I think Ron's wrong. It's only a possibility. But tyannising the public after getting rid of their firearms has been done before.
 

AnnaG

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Should a five year old be allowed to buy a machine gun?
Should a person with dangerous mental illnesses be allowed to buy a gun?
Should a convicted murderer be able to?
Should anyone be allowed to buy a rocket launcher?

If you answer no to any of those questions or any of a multitude of similar ones I can dream up, you think we need gun control.

The question is usually, how much? We can make it extremely difficult for guns to be acquired legitimately by dangerous people (criminals) in Canada, but if it is easy to acquire in the US and they are easily smuggled across the border, what is the point? We need tighter borders or cooperative neighbours and we have neither.
I agree.

The point of a gun is to kill something. It should never be the same as buying a sandwich.
Not necessarily. There are firearms built specifically for target shooting and they would be pretty useless for killing (silhouette guns, for instance). Have you ever heard of "starter pistols"? Firearms are only tools. It is the intent in using them that is dangerous. They don't have any intent by themselves.
 

AnnaG

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Heroin is 4% of the entire opiate drug market in Canada. That is bupkis. The "dealers" who make the most money from opiate abuse are the pharmaceutical companies supplying Oxy Contin, morphine, demerol etc etc etc.
Demerol is meperidine hydrochloride. It's synthetic, but you have a point.
 

AnnaG

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If the problem can't be understood, it can't be fixed. A long gun registry isn't it and creating criminals isn't it.
That's pretty much the problem. The Glibs introduced the elephant into the room seemingly without any sensible input. They created the registry which doesn't do the job they idiotically thought it would. And they were told well beforehand it wouldn't work. But they listened to a few hysterical people and reacted badly.
 

AnnaG

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Unfortunately, what we have done in Canada is make it difficult, frustrating, and legally risky for an honest man to buy a gun.
Well, not really difficult, as its only a pile of paperwork. Some people had a good answer to that and registered squirt guns, pneumatic nailers, hair dryers, etc. :D It'd be hilarious what a joke the registry really is if it didn't suck so much money.

Criminals get them easily.
Glibs didn't think of that. "Duh, yeah, criminals want to register their guns. Why wouldn't they?"
 

AnnaG

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Isn't that due to an absolute denial of reality by the firearms community who refuse to accept the gun problem as their own and step up to regulate sensibly rather than leave it to knee jerk reactionism by those who just don't know or understand the issues?
As has been said before, our regs were quite adequate without the registry. They just needed to be enforced. And THAT is a problem for the law, not Harry Hunter, Tom Targetshooter, etc.
 

Unforgiven

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As has been said before, our regs were quite adequate without the registry. They just needed to be enforced. And THAT is a problem for the law, not Harry Hunter, Tom Targetshooter, etc.

Our regs do absolutely nothing to prevent guns bought at gun shows where you don't need to show any ID or file any paper work at all, being sold to gun traffickers to end up on the streets of major cities in Canada.

If the regulation was adequate then there would be no need for a gun registry.
There is no problem getting an illegal gun in Canada. Not because of a lack of enforcement, but because the fact is that some handguns are sold in the US to anyone with the money to pay for them without questions.

This combined with a porous border, on the Canadian side anyway, allows for a market to exist. This isn't responsible gun ownership at all. The question is that as gun owners are well aware that this situation exists, there is no call what so ever to resolve this by either tighter border control or closing the loophole that is in effect at gun shows and private sales of firearms in the US. Worse gun owners fight against efforts to address this problem vigorously.
 

DaSleeper

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As has been said before, our regs were quite adequate without the registry. They just needed to be enforced. And THAT is a problem for the law, not Harry Hunter, Tom Targetshooter, etc.

And import a few thousands of these to supply the gang members here;-)