Look up obtuse.
now, I'll ask again, if the "fetus" isn't human, then what is it?
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Look up obtuse.
now, I'll ask again, if the "fetus" isn't human, then what is it?
In the early stages it kinda looks like a polliwog, then like a frog, then like a lot of different animals. I'm not sure when it starts to take on human characteristics.
:roll:That's too simple an answer. Do mushrooms have heartbeats, brain activity, and other detectable events? "How do you know it's even alive?" you ask. You've never felt one inside you. You've never seen one moving inside the womb.
THINK, Sir Joe.
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At least by 8 weeks. Photos are googleable. If a woman is pregnant, what is growing inside her most likely isn't anything other than human assuming she got pregnant by another human. 2 polar bears don't make an elephant.
Ultimately, it is the girl or woman's choice and it isn't anyone else's responsibility so most of this conversation is rather irrelevant. But, I really would like to see people be well-educated in what happens BEFORE they get pregnant. It would solve a myriad of problems.
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Do mushrooms have heartbeats, brain activity, and other detectable events?
Neither does a fetus at conception (or shortly after conception), Anna.
You've never felt one inside you. You've never seen one moving inside the womb.
THINK, Sir Joe.
No I haven’t, but many women have and they still support abortion.
Neither does a fetus at conception (or shortly after conception), Anna.
You've never felt one inside you. You've never seen one moving inside the womb.
THINK, Sir Joe.
No I haven’t, but many women have and they still support abortion.
About 40 days after conception is about when brain waves are detectable.
I would say that most women don't support abortion but they support the choice. Basically they are saying it's no-one else's business.
No I haven’t, but many women have and they still support abortion.
I would say that most women don't support abortion but they support the choice. Basically they are saying it's no-one else's business.
Quite right Anna, that is what I meant to say. Many women support the right to abortion, not necessarily abortion.
I would say that most women don't support abortion but they support the choice. Basically they are saying it's no-one else's business.
Quite right Anna, that is what I meant to say. Many women support the right to abortion, not necessarily abortion.
No, it's a human being. The argument is about a woman's choice, and whether or not to include the fetus on the same list as convicted murderers (in some countries), terminally ill (in some countries) and soldiers as those humans that are allowed to be killed lawfully.
That is not what the argument is about, Tonington. If it is established beyond any doubt that fetus is human being from conception, I doubt whether more than 1 or 2% of the people would support the right to abortion.
The issue is far from settled, we don’t know when human life begins. But if killing fetus from conception is scientifically proved to be the same as killing one week old baby, I cannot think of anyone who would support the right to ‘kill’ the baby in the womb.
But we don’t know when human life begins, we don’t even know how precisely to define human life (remember the Terri Schivo controversy? There was difference of opinion as to whether she was legally alive or dead). All the uncertainties involved with the issue gives room for differing opinions on the subject.
I just estimated 100,000 would cover all of them, no idea really how many there are. HOw do I know the thing is even alive? Come on, it processes food and oxygen, it grows, it kicks........how many dead things do you know of that do all that? Your wife is a doctor, she will assure you it is alive. When it ceases to be alive it aborts itself. In an earlier post I already pointed out that there is nothing that is alive that was once dead. How much more proof do you need?
IMO, life begins when the building blocks (zygote) assemble and start building a baby. After all, they aren't building a barn and if something screws up the building blocks, we end up with a screwed up baby. As far as the technical aspects of the question goes, I don't think it matters except for legal issues.
There are some issues where science fails us in describing our universe and its events. This is one. So we might as well bite the bullet and think for ourselves.
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Contrary to the opinions of some, we do know that the fetus is alive and is a human life. It's just not politically expedient to accept that simple fact. Thus, like women and blacks before, the obvious will be denied, argued over and debated until the issue becomes so ridiculously obvious that only the incredibly weak minded will hold onto their positions.
You are quite correct I was making an assumption......"Contrary to the opinions of some, we do know that the fetus is alive and is a human life." and what any other doctor who is worth his/her salt would tell you.
I just estimated 100,000 would cover all of them, no idea really how many there are.
There are millions, JLM.
Come on, it processes food and oxygen, it grows, it kicks........how many dead things do you know of that do all that?
It may be alive JLM, but so are sperm and egg. Then why not show the same care and consideration to the sperm and the egg? The problem is, we really don’t know when the fetus becomes a human life.
And exactly how does one define a human life? Is it when the fetus acquires a heartbeat? But heartbeat doesn’t make it human. Perhaps when it grows limbs? But that doesn’t necessarily make it human. Perhaps when it grows brain? What exactly is it that makes it human and when does that occur?
As I said, these are complicated issues, with no simple answer.
There are millions, JLM.
Come on, it processes food and oxygen, it grows, it kicks........how many dead things do you know of that do all that?
It may be alive JLM, but so are sperm and egg. Then why not show the same care and consideration to the sperm and the egg? The problem is, we really don’t know when the fetus becomes a human life.
And exactly how does one define a human life? Is it when the fetus acquires a heartbeat? But heartbeat doesn’t make it human. Perhaps when it grows limbs? But that doesn’t necessarily make it human. Perhaps when it grows brain? What exactly is it that makes it human and when does that occur?
As I said, these are complicated issues, with no simple answer.
We've discussed previously the fact that racist Nazi Margaret Sanger's three principle financiers were all REPUBLICANS: John Rockefeller, Prescott Bush, and Clarence Gamble.