Please clarify one thing for me: is everyone on this forum now convinced that, contrary to Christian teaching, homosexuality was NOT the problem in Sodom & Gomorrah?
Are you going to deny that the term "know them",used in these two verses, is a direct reference to sexual intercourse?
Ge:19:5:
And they called unto Lot,
and said unto him,
Where are the men which came in to thee this night?
bring them out unto us,
that we may know them.
Ge:19:8:
Behold now,
I have two daughters which have not known man;
let me,
I pray you,
bring them out unto you,
and do ye to them as is good in your eyes:
only unto these men do nothing;
for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
Straw man fallacy. l didn't suggest it was, I'm merely suggesting that ignorant children mocking a holy man's baldness should not be a capital crime. I think your god's a petty tyrant of the worst sort, I'd have no respect for him even if I thought he was real.
This is what I mean by you are blind about what Scripture talks about. You treat Vs:23 & 24 as the only two verses in that chapter that have any meaning. Much of the previous verses has to do with Elijah and the knowledge that he would be taken away and when.
Even after it is mentioned that the 'go up' was more important to the 'story' than the baldness you cannot come to terms with that. Obviously the children knew how Elijah departed or they would not have demanded that Elisha do the same.
Another fallacy, straw man or red herring or irrelevancy or something like that, maybe all three at once. Herod hasn't come up in any of our exchanges before. I don't go out of my way to initiate conversations about all the follies in scripture, if I complained about them all I'd never have time to do anything else. I just respond to others' foolish pronouncements about them. And you should certainly know by now that silence does not imply assent. You want to talk about Herod, I'll talk about Herod, but not in this thread, that's too much of a hijack. Though I don't really see that there's much to say about him beyond the fact that he was a cruel, heartless, frightened little man.
You forgot insane.
So why did he massacre the innocents, causing great harm and grief to their parents and families, while leaving me, a scoffer and a mocker, unscathed? Your position makes no sense. If those children deserved a horrible death for what they did, god should have killed me off long ago.
First you say it isn't worth exploring, two seconds later you want the answer...to have prophecy fullfilled.
M't:2:16:
Then Herod,
when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men,
was exceeding wroth,
and sent forth,
and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem,
and in all the coasts thereof,
from two years old and under,
according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
M't:2:17:
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet,
saying,
M't:2:18:
In Rama was there a voice heard,
lamentation,
and weeping,
and great mourning,
Rachel weeping for her children,
and would not be comforted,
because they are not.
God provides the clue to discover the rest of the story but a sceptical non-believer is too lazy or whatever to follow through an finding out what that prophecy was. It was a preparation for things to be in place so they could be 'repaired', not only for those 'children' but for all children.
Jer:31:15:
Thus saith the LORD;
A voice was heard in Ramah,
lamentation,
and bitter weeping;
Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children,
because they were not.
Jer:31:16:
Thus saith the LORD;
Refrain thy voice from weeping,
and thine eyes from tears:
for thy work shall be rewarded,
saith the LORD;
and they shall come again from the land of the enemy.
Jer:31:17:
And there is hope in thine end,
saith the LORD,
that thy children shall come again to their own border.
One of the more important points made in this story is 'the land of the enemy' is defined. It is death and not some foreign Gentile Nation on Earth.
So, truthfully did you ever go and look up what was said in the original prophecy in order to understand why God would allow such an act to be done?
Dex,
It is rather futile to try to make sense out of nonsense. There is no limit to the contortions believers will go through to avoid looking at the obvious. Your observations are clear, Mhz's rebuttal muddied.
The blind leading the blind through some very dangerous areas, LOL
You say that like it is a bad thing. Expectation breeds disappointment so you expect reward for your biblical studies or your religious adherence or how well you kiss the godly butt, prepare to be disappointed. My god has never let me down because I have expected nothing or asked anything of him. There really is no point.
Reading His book is now considered kissing ass? If you god can do nothing then there is no god in your world, what part of that do you not understand.
Yes my friend, I know that, but I keep hoping for a breakthrough... :smile:
With words like this, "your god's a petty tyrant of the worst sort," I would pretty much give up on there ever being a breakthrough in your relationship with God until He decides a change is coming your way. Scripture points to there being bad news before the good news.
