Gay Rights And The Bible
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Does that mean leviticus would apply? WOOHOO I sure hope so. There goes 3/4 of the thumpers caught in their own drag net.
Not only Leviticus, but the entire OT and NT will apply. And as you rightly point out, nobody is really safe in a Theocracy.
Perhaps you and I (along with homosexuals, Feminists, witches etc.) may be among the first to be hauled off to a concentration camp. However, even the truly religious will have to watch their step. If they commit any blasphemy (and it is very easy to do in a Theocracy), the fact that they are believers won’t save them, they will be sent to concentration camps like any non believer.
After all, was anybody really safe during the Dark Ages in Europe or during the rule of the Inquisition? Or is anybody really safe in Iran, in Saudi Arabia or in Somalia?
I'm not so sure about that. I think the atheists will be the only ones left. The sooner they bring on their own demise the sooner I have my paradise.
The question should be Who made the Bible law. It is after all the Word of God, and that amigo.. is the law. ;-)
The vast majority of humanity disagrees that your god is the true god or the the bible is the ultimate authority, so you are in a minority. How do you expect to force the rest of humanity to accept his authority over their lives?
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Unfortunately, If Cliffy were around at the time of Noah, he would be the last on board... We will keep praying.
Oh the post question!
God didn't give gays any rights in the Bible. Your reading the wrong one again. :fish:
Well that might make sense Cliffy, if God was an elective office. It's not.
I'm afraid you're just going to have to get over your delusions. The entire Truth of our existence exists, explicitly and implicitly, in the Holy Bible.
.. and NONE of it includes sodomy and human usery, which is the ONLY substance of homosexuality, as a 'gift' from the Almighty. It is soley a product of human Free Will, an exclusive and divine gift to humanity. That can certainly be abased into a will to a false idol of freedom. But that is nothing but a capitulation to petty amusement and distraction, at the cost of grace and communion with divine intent, and a failure to realize the true human potential in us.
Paraphrasing, and somewhat taking out of context Benedict XVI's latest encyclical Caritas in Veritate, there is no love of neighbour, charity (caritas) without veritate (divine and objective truth).
Without truth.. charity devolves into sentimentality and is futile. Worse it affirms and enables a condition that alienates one completely from the Grace of God. Your support for the 'dignity of homosexuals' is in fact a prescription for entrenching a very isolated and graceless existence.
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Still lurking in the background taking pot shots, eh! Don't you have someone who is willing to fall for this BS that you can convert?
I support homosexuals as human beings and their right to be treated as human beings free from the judgmental ranting of religious fruit loops. The pope is just a guy with more authority in his mind than is actually warranted and has no business talking about or judging anything he knows nothing about. He should stick to subjects he is familiar with, like prostate problems and masturbation. Your god is a human construct and has no reality outside your religious beliefs.
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Actually, the only ones who DID survive... and have survived... are and were, part of that plan of His. After all, you would not be here if your distant relatives were the "Victims". That makes you part as well.
Regards that "concentration camp" you speak of. I read an interesting piece once. God will judge those many of those unworthy but not burn them in the fires of Gehenna as one word of the many words in the Lexicon (see cliffy for all of the various meanings of hell)
But a separateness from God and Heaven.
Left by your own choice- forever- to deal with your particular problem sin, prideful/greedy will be made so very low they will be unnoticed under the feet of all their fellow unrighteous!
The Sexually lustful will always remain so forever, but alas have no physical outlet to aleviate their inward war of passion, leaving them twisting screaming and turning over and over in madness always tempted at every corner... with no rest for the wicked.
All this overseen, as a temptation by your god Satan, your devil, who will work - but not to have you join him in his delight.
No, no, but you yourself and the others, will become part of his prideful, lustful, endless circle of entertainment, at his every whim.
The great void of separateness right cliffy?
Listen as he shouts... "Bring in the clowns!":fish:
Well then we might as well legitimate all forms of gratification.. alcohol, drugs, masturbation, wife beating, masochism, sadism, etc. along with sodomy as being worthy of being celebrated as an expression of our 'beingness' as humans.. instead of a disfigurement and dissipation of our human potential. What a humane guy you are Cliffy.
And.. your world is a God construct, that has no reality outside His existence, regardless of your lack of religious beliefs.
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OOOOooooooooooh Cliff- ouch- I got admonished this morning for less than that, so be prepared for a bucket load of sh*t down your neck and if I wasn't worried about a bucket full of sh*t, I'd be inclined to agree with you..............:lol::lol:
Pretty think between the ears, Eh!? Where did I say that we should celebrate anything? All I said is that humans are humans and they all should be treated equally. You on the other hand condemn all who do not believe in the same BS as you. The main tenant of the medical profession and a few others is: Do no harm. Another way of saying: treat others as you would have them treat you. You obviously want people to treat you with disrespect.
I don't need a god to threaten me with dire consequences to do right to other life forms. I don't need a book of rules to know what is right and wrong. But I do know that it is not my place to judge the actions of others. That does not mean that I sit idly by while anyone maligns another. Do no harm also means, prevent harm to others if it is within your means to do so. Your arrogant self righteousness maligns those who's self worth and insecurity leaves them vulnerable to attacks. People who are secure in their sexuality will just shrug off your words like so much water. I would think that if god is a just god, he will be dealing with the likes of you much more harshly than any gay person.
The entire Truth of our existence exists, explicitly and implicitly, in the Holy Bible.
That is only your opinion, Coldstream.
and NONE of it includes sodomy and human usery, which is the ONLY substance of homosexuality, as a 'gift' from the Almighty.
Not your almighty perhaps, but many Christians disagree with you.
Without truth.. charity devolves into sentimentality and is futile.
Truth according to whom, Coldstream? Truth is relative, at least in religious and metaphysical sense.
Your support for the 'dignity of homosexuals' is in fact a prescription for entrenching a very isolated and graceless existence.
If their existence is isolated and graceless, that is their business, isn’t it? You have no right to impose your views on homosexuals in order to rescue them from isolation and gracelessness. If they are isolated and graceless (which I think is nonsense anyway), it is up to them to try to do something about it, it is not up to you to impose your morality on them in order to rescue them.
That is only your opinion, Coldstream.
and NONE of it includes sodomy and human usery, which is the ONLY substance of homosexuality, as a 'gift' from the Almighty.
Not your almighty perhaps, but many Christians disagree with you.
Without truth.. charity devolves into sentimentality and is futile.
Truth according to whom, Coldstream? Truth is relative, at least in religious and metaphysical sense.
Your support for the 'dignity of homosexuals' is in fact a prescription for entrenching a very isolated and graceless existence.
If their existence is isolated and graceless, that is their business, isn’t it? You have no right to impose your views on homosexuals in order to rescue them from isolation and gracelessness. If they are isolated and graceless (which I think is nonsense anyway), it is up to them to try to do something about it, it is not up to you to impose your morality on them in order to rescue them.
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