Another Hypocrite Bites Dust!!!

[YukonJack]

"Sorry Yukon, but when it comes to hypocrisy, conservatives are the masters at it, hands down. Conservatives are always telling others who they should live their lives, liberals generally tend to avoid preaching and moralizing."

To use your very own, oft-repeated pablum, that is your opinion.

 

[TenPenny]

Their actions, votes and words clearly groups them in the "do as I say, not as I do" category. and THAT is hypocrisy.

And THAT pretty much sums up someone criticising Clinton for having an affair, and then having an affair himself.

”Marriage recognizes the ideal of a father and mother living together to raise their children. Marriage is the cornerstone on which our society was founded … It is not right to mold marriage to fit the desires of a few, against the wishes of so many, and to ignore the important role of marriage.”​

– Senator John Ensign (R-NV), defending the Sanctity of Marriage Act on the Senate floor, 2004

 

[YukonJack]

TenPenney, while I have no intention of defending a philanderer, take a look at the time frame. And that goes for you too, master of sanctimony and real hypocrisy, SirJosephPorter:

When Ensign criticized Clinton of adultery, he was (as far as we know) free of same. So, he was NOT a hypocrit.

 

[TenPenny]

Oh, I get it.

In other words, it's all Clinton's fault, because he set an example that led Ensign into the den of iniquity, overpowering his public will to be sanctimonious.

I like your train of thought.

 

[YukonJack]

"Oh, I get it.

In other words, it's all Clinton's fault, because he set an example that led Ensign into the den of iniquity, overpowering his public will to be sanctimonious.

I like your train of thought."

No, you obviousdly DO NOT get it. If Ensign criticised Clinton of adultery, while Ensign was faithful to his wife, it was NOT hypocrisy, then.

I have not heard Ensign judging or criticising anyone of adultery recently, while his own affairs may have been suspect. THAT would have been hypocrisy.

 

[TenPenny]

You're serious?

As long as your personal values change from minute to minute, you're not a hypocrite? That's your reasoning? You're seriously suggesting that his personal values and moral viewpoint have somehow changed since he made such an issue out of infidelity in the past?

You're doing a very good job of exactly what you criticise Dems/Liberals for doing.

 

[YukonJack]

"As long as your personal values change from minute to minute, you're not a hypocrite? That's your reasoning? You're seriously suggesting that his personal values and moral viewpoint have somehow changed since he made such an issue out of infidelity in the past?"

Minute to minute?? ARE YOU SERIOUS??

All I was trying to tell you that if Ensign criticized Clinton in 1998 for adultery and at that time Ensign was still faithful to his wife, you can not call Ensign a hypocrit for criticising Clinton.

Obviously, by his own admission, he was unfaithflul to his wife. Did he criticize anyone for being an adulterer while he was unfaithful to his wife? Do we know?

With enough malice and ill-will towards conservatives, which the original poster of this thread seems to possess in spades, any conservative can become victim. And of course we all know that the ill-will towards conservatives is inversely proportional to the forgiveness of all liberal misdeeds. Which, let us face it no smaller in numbers than those of conservatives. However, we do not gloat in other people's missteps and misfortunes, as liberals, like SirJosephPorter, and obviously TenPenney do.

 

[TenPenny]

You have a very strange concept of morality and hypocrisy.
You seem to believe that such entrenched moral beliefs are open to change at will, I guess depending on what body is tempting you at the time.
Enjoy your life. Don't let your morals hit you on the head when you change them.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

So, Ensign may not have thought that his infidelity and adultery was hypocritical. He may have just thought that it was theological disagreement.

Oh, I quite agree, Yukon. That is why I said conservatives don’t even understand the concept of hypocrisy, so how are they going to recognize it when they see it? Thus when Gingrich was ranting and raving against Clinton for having sex with his intern and he was doing the same thing himself, he obviously did not see anything wrong with it.

Same with Ensign. He was preaching to others to resign for committing adultery, and he was committing adultery at the same time. He obviously saw nothing wrong with it. He may even have been surprised at the reaction that his adultery has generated.

As I said, conservatives don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy, and I am glad you agree with me.

 

[petros]

The sex scam was great cover up for the China/Nuke tech treason trial.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

"Anyway, as I recall, a great majority of Catholics disagree with Pope’s teaching on abortion and contraception."

What poll, what survey???

Are you serious, Yukon? This is such a well known fact, I don’t see any need for a link. However, since you seem bent on pretending not to know, here is a link.

American Catholics And Abortion - Forbes.com

This is what it says:

just 30% of white non-Hispanic Catholics who attend Mass weekly said abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 61% of those who attend Mass less often said it should. This is in all cases.



These are the ones who think that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. Ask them if it should be legal only under some conditions (such as rape or incest) and the proportion is even bigger, much bigger. This is in total opposition to Church’s and Pope’s position, which is opposed to abortion in ALL circumstances.


And this is not the only survey. Poll after poll shows the same result. I am surprised that you were not aware of it (or at least you claim not to be aware of it).

 

[taxslave]

Promise keepers KEEP THEIR PROMISE.

Only to a liberal is keeping a promise is a fault.

Did Ensign promise to be faithful to his wife? Or because he is a Republican is he exempt from keeping his promises? In any event what makes him a hypocrite is because he tells others that they must not have sex outside of marriage and
then does it himself. It is really a simple concept jack except perhaps to dim witted fundies. Its like this- Catholic priests take a vow of celibacy (means no sex)and consider homosexuality a sin, then they go and but f##k little boys. Not only do they break their vows as well as committing a crime they are hypocrites because they go and do what they tell others is a nono. A liberal would not tell some one they must not do something and then go and do it themselves there fore it is hard to call one a hypocrite.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Their actions, votes and words clearly groups them in the "do as I say, not as I do" category. and THAT is hypocrisy.

They do not, Yukon. That is only your opinion. For instance, show me how Senator Byrd is guilty of hypocrisy. You saying that he is guilty of hypocrisy (presumably because you are a Republican and he is a democrat) does not make him so.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

TenPenney, while I have no intention of defending a philanderer, take a look at the time frame. And that goes for you too, master of sanctimony and real hypocrisy, SirJosephPorter:

When Ensign criticized Clinton of adultery, he was (as far as we know) free of same. So, he was NOT a hypocrit.

Now let me get this straight, Yukon. This is very interesting. So ensign criticizes Clinton for committing adultery and asks him to resign. A few years after that Ensign himself commits adultery, but refuses to resign. And Ensign is not guilty of hypocrisy?

Well, I have always maintained that most conservatives don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy. You prove my point.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

You're serious?

As long as your personal values change from minute to minute, you're not a hypocrite? That's your reasoning? You're seriously suggesting that his personal values and moral viewpoint have somehow changed since he made such an issue out of infidelity in the past?

You're doing a very good job of exactly what you criticise Dems/Liberals for doing.

It really illustrates my point, TenPenny. Many conservatives do not understand the concept of hypocrisy. If a man preaches one thing and does something else himself, they honestly and truly do not see what the fuss is about.

I am sure Yukon, along with other conservatives are surprised at the reaction that Ensign’s adultery has generated. The guy is telling others not to commit adultery. Surely that is good enough, what is all the fuss about? Just because he himself committed adultery? Well, none of us are perfect, what is the problem?

I think that is why conservatives get caught in the web of hypocrisy again and again. There have been so many examples, I could rattle off half a dozen off the top of my head (starting with the drug addict on loan from God, Rush Limbaugh). And the reason is that conservatives don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.

 

[Cannuck]

In any event what makes him a hypocrite is because he tells others that they must not have sex outside of marriage and
then does it himself.

The Craig and Clinton stories were about more that just sex outside of marriage.

 

[Cliffy]

The Craig and Clinton stories were about more that just sex outside of marriage.

Cryptic sentence, but without elaboration, meaningless. What were they about then?

 

[EagleSmack]

It really illustrates my point, TenPenny. Many conservatives do not understand the concept of hypocrisy. If a man preaches one thing and does something else himself, they honestly and truly do not see what the fuss is about.

We see hypocricy all the time with liberals and democrats. Like free speech. Free Speech for liberals is great so long as you are saying things they approve. Just like their attempt to shut down Talk Radio because they do not like what they are saying. However it is A-OK for ABC News to set up an Obama 24 Hour Infomercial at the White House with no counter point.

I am sure Yukon, along with other conservatives are surprised at the reaction that Ensign’s adultery has generated. The guy is telling others not to commit adultery. Surely that is good enough, what is all the fuss about? Just because he himself committed adultery? Well, none of us are perfect, what is the problem?

No surprise here... Democrats are doing what they have always done, act hypocritical.

"What Clinton does is his own business!"

But when the GOP screws up the Democrats sing it from the mountains claiming hypocricy as they act hypocritical.

I think that is why conservatives get caught in the web of hypocrisy again and again. There have been so many examples, I could rattle off half a dozen off the top of my head (starting with the drug addict on loan from God, Rush Limbaugh). And the reason is that conservatives don’t understand the concept of hypocrisy.

I can ring them off as well! Heck my state is full of corrupt liberal Democrats. Twisted perverts that are liberals, corrupt liberal politicians bent on stealing and feathering their nests with taxpayer money.

 

[JLM]

We see hypocricy all the time with liberals and democrats. Like free speech. Free Speech for liberals is great so long as you are saying things they approve. Just like their attempt to shut down Talk Radio because they do not like what they are saying. However it is A-OK for ABC News to set up an Obama 24 Hour Infomercial at the White House with no counter point.



No surprise here... Democrats are doing what they have always done, act hypocritical.

"What Clinton does is his own business!"

But when the GOP screws up the Democrats sing it from the mountains claiming hypocricy as they act hypocritical.



I can ring them off as well! Heck my state is full of corrupt liberal Democrats. Twisted perverts that are liberals, corrupt liberal politicians bent on stealing and feathering their nests with taxpayer money.

Perhaps you've noticed Eagle Smack, that S.J. is a little overwhelmed with Republicans/Conservatives having all the bad qualities. I've tried to educate him that people are people and Political leanings have nothing to do with the character of a person. What may have something to do with it is being obsessed with any party. They are all mainly corrupt.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Like free speech. Free Speech for liberals is great so long as you are saying things they approve. Just like their attempt to shut down Talk Radio because they do not like what they are saying.

You are begin dishonest here, EagleSmack. Nobody is trying to shut down Talk Radio. That is a bogeyman raised by the far right in order to raise money. Such talk of conspiracy theories (Obama is an illegal Muslim, or that liberals are going to shut down talk ratio etc.) plays well with the far right base, and helps them raise money. Thee is no hypocrisy here.


Examples of liberal hypocrisy, while they exist, are difficult to find.