Is this in our future?

ironsides

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Just something else to think and worry about.
Who was it that cleared out all the trees in Somalia, and Lebanon turning them into deserts for the most part. (Somalia's and Lebanese) Who is turning China into a desert by over farming and grazing, guess this will be something else to blame on us somewhere down the line. But someday China will burst its borders in search of food and water. Then what will happen?
 

karrie

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Just something else to think and worry about.
Who was it that cleared out all the trees in Somalia, and Lebanon turning them into deserts for the most part. (Somalia's and Lebanese) Who is turning China into a desert by over farming and grazing, guess this will be something else to blame on us somewhere down the line. But someday China will burst its borders in search of food and water. Then what will happen?

this is why the darwinist in me doesn't understand why we try so hard to prevent pandemics. We're ALL going to have eaten ourselves out of house and home eventually.
 

ironsides

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Could be that time for something catastrophic to happen, the Earth always seems to find a way to correct its problems. Recycling, Creating water treatment/desalinization plants may buy us some time, but the population I think is already beyond the tipping point.
 

L Gilbert

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Could be that time for something catastrophic to happen, the Earth always seems to find a way to correct its problems. Recycling, Creating water treatment/desalinization plants may buy us some time, but the population I think is already beyond the tipping point.
It might very well be. I haven't poked my nose into the freshwater thing for over a year now so I have no idea what sort of state it's in.
 

ironsides

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The biggest problem is that China is almost dry, they are building a 1000 mile conduit to bring scarce water from the mountains in order to keep Beijing going. Water in their farmlands has dried up or has gone bad. China is turning into one big dust bowl. Beijing is getting hit by these sand storms.
 

Cliffy

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I could see BC turning into another Lebanon in a few decades. If this economic downturn hadn't slowed down the logging industry, we would have been there within the next fifty years. As it is, we have slowed down the inevitable. That is why I hope this depression is permanent.

We need to build a new economy that is not built on rape and pillage of our resources. It ain't gonna happen if they resurrect the present model.
 

Francis2004

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The biggest problem is that China is almost dry, they are building a 1000 mile conduit to bring scarce water from the mountains in order to keep Beijing going. Water in their farmlands has dried up or has gone bad. China is turning into one big dust bowl. Beijing is getting hit by these sand storms.

My understanding of why China is in a dust bowl situation has more to do with Climate Change then anything else, ehnce man made..

The governemnt has put in place harsh new regulations within their country on what can be used and what cannot be use as far as chemicals. They couldn't care less what they export but try to import anything on their "hazardous list" and no way..

But we all know "Climate Change" is juts a figment of our imagination of course :roll:
 

Francis2004

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I could see BC turning into another Lebanon in a few decades. If this economic downturn hadn't slowed down the logging industry, we would have been there within the next fifty years. As it is, we have slowed down the inevitable. That is why I hope this depression is permanent.

We need to build a new economy that is not built on rape and pillage of our resources. It ain't gonna happen if they resurrect the present model.

I hate to say this Cliffy but signs that the economy is getting better are there. Recovery is on the way and not much will stop it..

I do agree we need to manage our envoronment better however, but that will only gets shouts of "eco terrorists"..

Sad statement of how we have become..
 

darkbeaver

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I hate to say this Cliffy but signs that the economy is getting better are there. Recovery is on the way and not much will stop it..

I do agree we need to manage our envoronment better however, but that will only gets shouts of "eco terrorists"..

Sad statement of how we have become..

"Sings that the economy is getting better are there" where?
 

Francis2004

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Just something else to think and worry about.
Who was it that cleared out all the trees in Somalia, and Lebanon turning them into deserts for the most part. (Somalia's and Lebanese) Who is turning China into a desert by over farming and grazing, guess this will be something else to blame on us somewhere down the line. But someday China will burst its borders in search of food and water. Then what will happen?

You are right.. Someone will be blaming others and pointing fingers.. Unfortunately those who were really to blame will be long gone by then..
 

Francis2004

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"Sings that the economy is getting better are there" where?

Sorry DB you may not be seeing it but we are..

All our manufacturers are showing book to bill ratios in the positive for the last 4 months straight and into a 5th month.

As per below stocks have been positive with little to drag them down permantly..

TORONTO — Stock markets charged ahead Monday, extending a powerful spring rally that now has propelled Canada's main index up 30 per cent in less than two months, mainly on hopes the global economy is stabilizing.

“It's like watching the market's blood pressure come down,” said David Kelly, chief market strategist at JPMorgan Funds in New York.

“Every day that goes by without something bad happening is reducing the risk of an economic rebound getting derailed.”

Toronto's S&P/TSX composite index surged 373.41 points to 9,870.37, its biggest one-day gain this year, helped along by hopeful U.S. numbers and reports the Chinese economy is picking up.

The TSX Venture Exchange added 17.02 points to 1,027.19. A weak U.S. dollar helped send the Canadian currency ahead nine-tenths of a cent to 85.22 cents (U.S.), its highest close since early November.

New York's Dow Jones industrial average gained 214.33 points to 8,426.74. The Nasdaq composite index climbed 44.36 to 1,763.56 while the S&P 500 index was ahead 29.72 points at 907.24.

Traders were heartened as the U.S. Commerce Department said construction spending rose 0.3 per cent in March after five straight declines. Economists had expected a drop of 1.5 per cent. And pending U.S. home sales rose 3.2 per cent in March, according to the National Association of Realtors.

The hopeful data built on Friday's report that the Institute for Supply Management's monthly index showed the U.S. factory sector contracting at a much slower rate.

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darkbeaver

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Hey, all we have to do is wait a few weeks and revisit the petite debate. "Mainly on hopes" “It's like watching the market's blood pressure come down,” said David Kelly, chief market strategist at JPMorgan Funds in New York.

“Every day that goes by without something bad happening is reducing the risk of an economic rebound getting derailed.”

JPMorgan Funds in New York won't lie to you eh? I hope you don't loose to much. Those pricks will predict an economic rebound all the way down to the concrete.
 

MissAnnika

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I saw something on the Colbert Report last week about a woman who is raising money and giving poor families in the U.S. and other countries in the world cows, chickens and seeds for plants and vegetables. She wrote a book about it too. Apparently when the cows and chickens are bred, the people are encouraged to give the animals and seeds to other families, and so on. at least people are trying to do something about it, I think it's a good idea too.