The Sad, Sad State of Canadian Masculinity

[Zzarchov]

You sir are talking noonsense. What you are saying is that you, unlike all the other cowards, would have jumped in there unarmed, and fought the maniac with the knife to save the others. I doubt that very much. Heroism in hindsight, after the fact, is pretty easy to come by. There were three guys who did their best to keep the armed maniac on the bus. These guys were heros of sorts bur probably not as good as Cannuck who would have flown in and saved everyone if he could have found his cape.

I would have, I bet a few others would have too. The difference is I was raised that way, I know most people aren't. They are raised that they are a unique and special snowflake and its the job of "other people" to do the right thing.

As pointed out, in countries where they aren't trained to be cowards in school, they do act. A man opened fire WITH A GUN in a us church and people swarmed him.

This is one guy, with a knife, bent over in an awkward position, while people are bumping by him, shoulder to shoulder, to get off the bus. Any one of those people could have stopped him, add in the scores more and they could have easily held him down and disarmed him.

Its the same reason why if there is a crash scene you have to point at one specific person and say "You go get help", otherwise no one will.

 

[Zzarchov]

I think the evidence should be more and more damning against this current mentality.

She cried rape — and no one helped - TODAY People

We desperatly need to rewrite laws that its ok to be an instrument of the law as a civilian, as long as you are using it to uphold the basic tenants of the law. That it isn't ok to say "Wait for police" but to actually do something yourself, even if you are put at risk. And to have the basic trust from the public, that anyone who is going to be a sociopath doesn't need your legal protection from attempting a good deed anyways.

 

[Cannuck]

You sir are talking noonsense. What you are saying is that you, unlike all the other cowards, would have jumped in there unarmed, and fought the maniac with the knife to save the others. I doubt that very much. Heroism in hindsight, after the fact, is pretty easy to come by. There were three guys who did their best to keep the armed maniac on the bus. These guys were heros of sorts bur probably not as good as Cannuck who would have flown in and saved everyone if he could have found his cape.

I took 135 stitches when I was twenty and came across 5 guys on the verge of sexually assaulting a woman. I could not look the other way even though I knew I was going to take a sh*t kicking. It is probably the reason why I am a firefighter. When we have a structure fire with possible occupants, I just have to be one of the guys going into the house. I understand how people like you can't understand that. I can't really explain it.

 

[Colpy]

I took 135 stitches when I was twenty and came across 5 guys on the verge of sexually assaulting a woman. I could not look the other way even though I knew I was going to take a sh*t kicking. It is probably the reason why I am a firefighter. When we have a structure fire with possible occupants, I just have to be one of the guys going into the house. I understand how people like you can't understand that. I can't really explain it.

You are a junkie.

An adreneline junkie... And/or you are constantly testing yourself.

I've been in two brawls with guys armed with knives, and I've got the scars to show for it.

The gents aboard the Alabama were up against 5 armed pirates.

This is the anniversary of the day 2 carloads of men opened up on a protest in Georgia (the old USSR, not the USA) with AK47s.....but the protesters didn't run away, they ran then to ground and tore them limb from limb.

I quote Churchill's entire speech on what one should do if confronted with a robber. "Never surrender......never never never."

There is value in personal pride, defiance, and valour.

 

[#juan]

The smartest thing that happened on that bus was that they got the women and children off and locked the maniac on the bus. The dumbest thing would have been for an unarmed man, or men to get into an unnecessary fight with a maniac with a big knife.

 

[lone wolf]

Everyone is Bruce Lee ... until they have to be....

 

[karrie]

I'm speechless.

Canadian masculinity.... I can't fathom how anyone could think these tiny snapshots in time reflect on all of Canadian men. Especially since men weren't the only ones involved. Women were in these incidents too. Women sat by and waited to be shot, refused to fight too. Women dashed off that bus in defense of themselves too. Women have sat by and failed to call police when crimes are being committed too.

What a stupid notion that only men are responsible for the safety of our society.

 

[Said1]

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I quote Churchill's entire speech on what one should do if confronted with a robber. "Never surrender......never never never."

There is value in personal pride, defiance, and valour.

I found that at knife point, giving the money was just a hell of a lot easier.

 

[karrie]

And let me say one more thing....

If ANY of you teach your sons that they need to take on knife wielding maniacs regardless of the situation, or teach your daughters that they need to sit around and wait for men to either rescue or slaughter them as fate sees fit, then you need a serious reality check! Drop the genders and look at what humanity needs to be doing.

I'm gonna go out and burn my bra now while you all think on what I've said.

 

[lone wolf]

Can I watch?

 

[karrie]

Can I watch?

:lol: sure thing. Be here in the next 10.

 

[lone wolf]

Damn! Superman suit's at the cleaners....

 

[Tresson]

Just wanted to post two different observations I've made of humanity in general.

Firstly the likelihood of someone acting is inversely proportional to number of people there. ie a person on their own is more likely to try and save a drowning child then a person in a large crowd.

Secondly, the likelihood of more people helping increases greatly after the first one. No one really wants to first one to act in case they're the only one.

 

[china]

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So Colpy, how do you define the ideal Canadian masculinity?[/quote

What will that help ....a definition ?

do what the gut tells you to do ,do what is wright and don't worry about the consequances .

 

[Zzarchov]

If I had children your damn right I'd teach my son to take on knife wielding maniacs.

Whether or not he takes on the maniac and dies, or runs away and lives through the encounter, he is still going to die someday. The question is was his life worthwhile, I mean truly worthwhile? Or was it a sad excuse?

 

[JLM]

And let me say one more thing....

If ANY of you teach your sons that they need to take on knife wielding maniacs regardless of the situation, or teach your daughters that they need to sit around and wait for men to either rescue or slaughter them as fate sees fit, then you need a serious reality check! Drop the genders and look at what humanity needs to be doing.

I'm gonna go out and burn my bra now while you all think on what I've said.

There's nothing worse than some guy thinking he's being brave by being stupid. If you are not up to it and it scares you there is nothing wrong with running from it like your life depends on it. You don't look half as silly running as you do dead.

 

[Zzarchov]

There's nothing worse than some guy thinking he's being brave by being stupid. If you are not up to it and it scares you there is nothing wrong with running from it like your life depends on it. You don't look half as silly running as you do dead.

I disagree. Dying is easy, everyone dies and everyone will look dead at some point, because they will be dead.

Living though, thats hard, especially when you have to look in the mirror every morning.


Alot of people can't grasp that concept about themselves, their inescapable death. I remember helping someone do a financial plan once who was 60 and having to explain that their current plan is stupid because they will be dead and the look of realization that crossed their mind. They had been working on a goal for years and never realised they almost certainly wouldn't live to be a hundred + (especially how they lived, smoking, overweight)

 

[Ron in Regina]

The sick and sad thing to add to this conversation is that if someone
is cowardly enough to need a knife as a weapon against you or others,
then the chances are very-very good that even with a knife, they're too
cowardly (even with that knife) to act alone in that assault. That's the
reality of the gang situation here and elsewhere. It's a numbers game.

Maybe you, or your child, can deal with someone with a knife with a
bit of luck on your side, but what about a real situation where there
are four against one and they'd surround you like the compass points?
This situation is much more common than the lone insane knife wielding
guy on a bus.

 

[JLM]

I disagree. Dying is easy, everyone dies and everyone will look dead at some point, because they will be dead.

Living though, thats hard, especially when you have to look in the mirror every morning.


Alot of people can't grasp that concept about themselves, their inescapable death. I remember helping someone do a financial plan once who was 60 and having to explain that their current plan is stupid because they will be dead and the look of realization that crossed their mind. They had been working on a goal for years and never realised they almost certainly wouldn't live to be a hundred + (especially how they lived, smoking, overweight)

The trick is to be optimistic while being realistic. There is no sense at all in dying now if you can put it off. As long as you are alive you still have options, once dead your options are drastically limited.

 

[Cannuck]

The dumbest thing would have been for an unarmed man, or men to get into an unnecessary fight with a maniac with a big knife.

Again, you may feel that trying to save somebody's life is unnecessary but others, including myself disagree. It would appear that we assign some value to other people while you don't. It is my opinion that one of the biggest problems in society today is that too many people are sharing your values with regard to their fellow human beings.