Octuplets... women are not meant to have litters

[JLM]

We have to watch out we don't get too sanctimonious on this matter as there may be a payback in the future when some of these kids become neuro surgeons and rocket scientists or discover the cure for cancer. 99% of us pay for something in the public domain and a big percentage of us are subsidized by the public domain when a catastrophe strikes.

 

[Zzarchov]

The reason it's my business is I pay for it.

I'm not talking about dictating who can have children, I'm talking about dictating how many embryos can be implanted at once. Many european countries have already done this without turning into totalitarian regimes.

She is an American, how are you expected to pay for this or am I missing something about US health care.

 

[Stretch]

California is almost bankrupt, if its not already, just what it needs is more hungry mouths.......

 

[missile]

Remember when Quebec was paying moms to have kids?5 or 6 thou per child,too.They were worried about the low birthrates and the fear they'd be outnumbered by the rest of us.There are a good number of largish families in Quebec.

 

[tracy]

She is an American, how are you expected to pay for this or am I missing something about US health care.

Apparently you are. Many Canadians seem under the impression that Americans pay for their own healthcare, but those without insurance or enough money do not.
This woman is unemployed, which means she doesn't have employer sponsored health insurance. Her babies will all be cared for thanks to the MediCal system. That's California's government run healthcare, paid for with tax money similar to the regular Canadian system.

The state is so broke it is actually giving IOUs to people owed a tax refund who have already filed. State employees are having their hours and wages cut. Hospitals are closing units or closing altogether. Almost 100 people got laid off at my hospital last week. MediCal is decreasing reimbursements for many things and even has stopped paying for some. So, you'll forgive me but I don't think this is the best time for a woman to be on the news letting us all know we paid for a 33 year old with 6 kids to get IVF and now will pay the millions it will cost for her babies to be in the NICU. The cost to stay in a NICU is between 5 and 10K a day per baby. So at the low end 40K a day for all 8, multiply that by about 70 since they are expected to stay about 10 weeks and you get 2.8million. The higher end will be 5.6million. That's assuming nothing goes wrong, which is a big assumption. Then add on the extra medical follow up premies need throughout childhood....

 

[tracy]

Remember when Quebec was paying moms to have kids?5 or 6 thou per child,too.They were worried about the low birthrates and the fear they'd be outnumbered by the rest of us.There are a good number of largish families in Quebec.

California doesn't have that problem!:lol: It's one of the reasons I work here. A place with a low birthrate wouldn't have too many jobs for me. I don't have a problem with people having as many kids as they want and can look after. I have a problem with a doctor and a woman making completely irresponsible decisions. We need some guidelines put into law. I never would have thought it, but apparently we can't rely on doctors to be reputable.

 

[tracy]

We have to watch out we don't get too sanctimonious on this matter as there may be a payback in the future when some of these kids become neuro surgeons and rocket scientists or discover the cure for cancer.

I'd be glad to take that kind of payback. I doubt it will happen, but I'd be happy if they simply became self supporting regular adults.

 

[Kreskin]

Remember when Quebec was paying moms to have kids?5 or 6 thou per child,too.They were worried about the low birthrates and the fear they'd be outnumbered by the rest of us.There are a good number of largish families in Quebec.

Quebec is edging closer to a healthcare policy of free IVF - up to 10k reimbursement for two attempts. Not passed yet but that was part of the pre-election QC Liberal platform.

 

[tracy]

Quebec is edging closer to a healthcare policy of free IVF - up to 10k reimbursement for two attempts. Not passed yet but that was part of the pre-election QC Liberal platform.

2 attempts still makes it awfully tempting to implant too many.

 

[Kreskin]

2 attempts still makes it awfully tempting to implant too many.

Most patients want as many as they can. The physicians have to take some responsibility for setting limits. As Ten Penny said earlier, most will only do three under exceptional cases. Four on very rare occasions. Two is most common. There is talk however that limits may be placed directly through the Assisted Human Reproduction Act.

 

[Tyr]

This womens mental capacity and value system is truely "whacked". I believe a previous poster questioned the moral convictions of the physician.

They should be stripped of the liscence to practice for the absolute disregard for medical ethics

The veil of secrecy octuplets' mother Nadya Suleman shrouded herself in for more than a week was lifted Thursday with the release of public documents showing that the 33-year-old struggled with depression for years until she finally began to realize her childhood dream of having a huge family.
Ms. Suleman, who now has 14 children, told doctors she battled with depression for years after she was injured in a riot in 1999 at the state mental hospital where she worked.
The doctors' reports were included in more than 300 pages of documents released to The Associated Press by the state Division of Workers' Compensation on the same day NBC released excerpts of Ms. Suleman's first interview since giving birth last month. Among other things, the documents reveal that Ms. Suleman collected more than $165,000 (U.S.) in disability payments between 2002 and 2008 for an injury she said left her in near-constant pain and helped end her marriage.
Meanwhile, Ms. Suleman told NBC what her mother and others have said since the octuplets were born: that she always wanted a huge family to make up for the isolation she felt as an only child.

 

[Risus]

Remember when Quebec was paying moms to have kids?5 or 6 thou per child,too.They were worried about the low birthrates and the fear they'd be outnumbered by the rest of us.There are a good number of largish families in Quebec.

I believe the catholic church was behind that.

 

[Tyr]

A better question, why is it our business how many children other people have?

If we are going to start dictating who can have children, how about we start with convicted felons first?

Good plan. Then we can move on to a maximum of 3 children per couple. No exceptions. After the third child - vascectomies are mandatory

 

[Risus]

Good plan. Then we can move on to a maximum of 3 children per couple. No exceptions. After the third child - vascectomies are mandatory

Something is wrong with your logic. It male isn't the root cause. Vascectomies aren't the cure to the problem, the female could just go elsewhere. If the government needs to step in, the female would need to have her tubes tied...

 

[Tyr]

Something is wrong with your logic. It male isn't the root cause. Vascectomies aren't the cure to the problem, the female could just go elsewhere. If the government needs to step in, the female would need to have her tubes tied...

good point. I was just being lazy

 

[Tyr]

I believe the catholic church was behind that.

It was actually the provincial gov't. the Catholic church doesn't have that much "pull" in Quebec anymore

 

[Unforgiven]

What an iresponsible thing to do. She should have her kids taken away if she applies for welfare.

 

[Tyr]

What an iresponsible thing to do. She should have her kids taken away if she applies for welfare.

She should have her kids taken away immediately. She's obviously "not all there"

 

[Risus]

It was actually the provincial gov't. the Catholic church doesn't have that much "pull" in Quebec anymore

The catholic church has always been asking their women to pump out kids...

 

[Risus]

She should have her kids taken away immediately. She's obviously "not all there"

I agree with both you and Unforviven on this point...