Octuplets... women are not meant to have litters

[tracy]

People selling their 9 year old daughters off for cash can hardly be said to be living in a society where women have meaningful control over their fertility. If they can't even control whether or not they are sold to a 40 year old man, they certainly don't get to decide how many times they'll get pregnant.

When women get control of their fertility, birth rates decline. It doesn't mean they won't all have big families, but again, please show me one of those poor countries where this has happened (8 babies at once with no means of support after already having 6 kids). You can't, cause it hasn't. They are two separate issues.

 

[L Gilbert]

Two separate issues with the same result, so they are connected and it isn't 1 or the other, it is 1 AND the other.

 

[Kreskin]

During the 20's and 30's our society was full of large agricultural homesteads where having 10+ kids was the norm. That all went to hell when the depression arrived, and as we became more urbanized the large family was for most a fiscal impossibility.

 

[L Gilbert]

Needed cheap farm labor from somewhere. Mexico isn't next door

 

[tracy]

Two separate issues with the same result, so they are connected and it isn't 1 or the other, it is 1 AND the other.

Not the same result....

You can have 8 children separately and they're likely to be born healthy. 8 at once means a long hospital stay at a cost of about 80K a day IF nothing goes wrong, plus extensive follow up care. Premies aren't like term babies.

 

[L Gilbert]

Not the same result....

You can have 8 children separately and they're likely to be born healthy. 8 at once means a long hospital stay at a cost of about 80K a day IF nothing goes wrong, plus extensive follow up care. Premies aren't like term babies.

Yes, it is the same result, and that is more kids. I was referrring to the reasons why people have many kids, whether it be a anthropological reason, psychological reason, etc.

 

[L Gilbert]

Needed cheap farm labor from somewhere. Mexico isn't next door

I was joking, you know. I even tell Mick jokes. I is a Mick.

 

[Zzarchov]

People selling their 9 year old daughters off for cash can hardly be said to be living in a society where women have meaningful control over their fertility. If they can't even control whether or not they are sold to a 40 year old man, they certainly don't get to decide how many times they'll get pregnant.

In that case sure, but I should point out the 9 year old boys were sold to be camel jockeys until very recently when under international pressure they started using robotics.

A certain portion of the population are slaves, not all of them. The wealthy women, or the non-slave poor women with poor husbands both make the same choices, have as many children as possible to assert social status.

When women get control of their fertility, birth rates decline. It doesn't mean they won't all have big families, but again, please show me one of those poor countries where this has happened (8 babies at once with no means of support after already having 6 kids). You can't, cause it hasn't. They are two separate issues.

The issue is 8 at once? So it would be better if she had 8 in a row? one per year like clockwork?

Or twins for four years?

Is the issue the number of kids or the number of kids at once? Because if its the number of kids at once, why bring up she had 6 kids previously?

 

[Tyr]

14 kids is not all that unusual people. I mean seriously.

In much of the world having 14 kids is normal. Thats why the rest of the world balloons in population and is always on the verge of starving.

Hell the last generation of Newfoundlanders were that way. My mother in law is one of 13 children, her neighbours had 12 and 16.


That people are "Astounded" by having 14 children is mind boggling, in most of the world that isn't unusual. Complaining she will live on welfare is equally dumb, how many billions in aid do we deliver to nations that are constantly poor for the same reason?

Drinking this early in the day???

 

[L Gilbert]

hehe perhaps we should insist that women who want litters should also grow more than 2 breasts?

 

[Tyr]

People selling their 9 year old daughters off for cash can hardly be said to be living in a society where women have meaningful control over their fertility. If they can't even control whether or not they are sold to a 40 year old man, they certainly don't get to decide how many times they'll get pregnant.

When women get control of their fertility, birth rates decline. It doesn't mean they won't all have big families, but again, please show me one of those poor countries where this has happened (8 babies at once with no means of support after already having 6 kids). You can't, cause it hasn't. They are two separate issues.

Economic independence precipitates a decline in birth rate and you're right, families are large in 3rd world countries because only 2/3rds of the kids are expected to live. the ones that do, contribute to the household economics

Talk about large families in the 3rd world and the "in the 30's... are just ludicrous

 

[Cannuck]

hehe perhaps we should insist that women who want litters should also grow more than 2 breasts?

I'm all for that.

 

[JLM]

Some people just don't have enough to worry about....

Yep, some people just can't mind their own business.

 

[L Gilbert]

Yep, some people just can't mind their own business.

That's Harpy's, Bush's, Zionist's, and Velikovsky's fault.

 

[tracy]

The issue is 8 at once? So it would be better if she had 8 in a row? one per year like clockwork?

Or twins for four years?

Is the issue the number of kids or the number of kids at once? Because if its the number of kids at once, why bring up she had 6 kids previously?

Yes, the issue is 8 at once. The reason I bring up the fact that she had 6 kids previously is because it proves she is fertile. Any reputable doctor would NEVER implant 8 embryos into a woman her age with her proven fertility. If she'd tried IVF several times with no success, then one could argue for implanting more embryos at once so she'd have a chance for one baby. Implanting 8 into someone who has proven they take embryos well is just asking for a litter with all its negative consequences.

 

[TenPenny]

I'm stunned about two things:-in Canada, I understand that doctors will only implant 3 embryos at once. WTF is up with California???-a single mother who already has 6 kids wanted more? Now she's got 14....crazy. Simply crazy.

 

[Zzarchov]

A better question, why is it our business how many children other people have?

If we are going to start dictating who can have children, how about we start with convicted felons first?

 

[tracy]

A better question, why is it our business how many children other people have?

If we are going to start dictating who can have children, how about we start with convicted felons first?

The reason it's my business is I pay for it.

I'm not talking about dictating who can have children, I'm talking about dictating how many embryos can be implanted at once. Many european countries have already done this without turning into totalitarian regimes.

 

[#juan]

I watched a bit on the news about this woman a couple hours ago. She is thirty three years old and living with her parents. She has no job, and she has six children already, one boy is reported to be autistic. Apparently her mom does most of the child rearing. Now she will have eight more.......I feel sorry for grandma.

 

[JLM]

I watched a bit on the news about this woman a couple hours ago. She is thirty three years old and living with her parents. She has no job, and she has six children already, one boy is reported to be autistic. Apparently her mom does most of the child rearing. Now she will have eight more.......I feel sorry for grandma.

I'm not sure that there are too many women with 14 kids under ten years old who do have an outside job.