Mike Duffy Offends Williams
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Oooooo....I'm shaking in my boots here. Please sir don't make me look foolish *gulp*. Hehe...man you are some piece of work. Personally, I could care less what you think or say. I've made my stance here. You asked for references, I gave you a condensed history lesson. Your opinion means squat to me. Thank you though for giving me an opportunity to rant about something that's been pissing me off for a long time. You're a wonderful sounding board, without sounding bored. By the way, your moniker gives the impression you are a true Canadian...ppfffttt...you are disgracing that cool nickname for a true Canadian. A Cannuck to me would be someone who stands for Canada from coast to coast. From the impressions I'm getting from you I'd say you are more of a western separatist with no regard for anyplace east of Manitoba. I demand our moniker back.
Why would you not be calm in the first place. You shouldn't get your knickers twisted over a web forum....um do they have knickers in Newfounland??? Let's just say you shouldn't get your hip-waders twisted.
I would suggest that if you wish to enter into a discussion about the Accord, you actually take the time to read it. It is not a signed contact. It is a memorandum of agreement. There were problems with agreement from the beginning. Section 51 is unacceptable and section 48 is unenforceable
...and well they should. It was a bad agreement. They Canadian government must look after the interests of all Canadians. Newfoundland willingly worked toward the 05 Accord.
When the feds revised the equalization payment system in 07, it allowed all the provinces to decide whether their equalization would be based on 50% of their natural resource revenue or none of that income. At the same time, the feds allowed Newfoundland (and Nova Scotia) to choose to use the new system or continue under a formula base on the 05 Atlantic Accord. This gave Dannyboy three options: take the new system with none of their oil revenue, take the new system with half their oil revenue or stay with the old system. Dannyboy stayed with the Accord.
So, does his complaint stem from the current equalization formula or the deal signed in 2005.
None of the above.
The 1985 Atlantic Accord gave Newfoundland cash to compensate for the loss of EP due to it's oil wealth. Well whaddayano, Dannyboy figures that this year, Newfoundland would get the best deal if it used the formula that included 50% of its natural resource revenue. If Danny wanted this option, he should have spoke up when he had the chance. Unfortunately for Newfoundlanders, he chose what was behind door #2 and got stuck with the steak knife set instead of the new car. He's managed to get some folks to believe that is wasn't him that made the choice. Some of us know better.
There was a time when a man's handshake was as good as a written contract. Alas, in this day of greed and finger pointing a strong agreement is not even worth the paper it's written on. When Mulroney and Peckford worked out the 1985 Accord it was compiled to give Newfoundland maximum benefits for the offshore oil. This agreement may not be a formal contract but you'd be hardpressed to convince the people of Newfoundland and Labrador that the government of Canada was acting in bad faith. Our citizens took this agreement as a binding commitment to get our province out of debt and proceed as a contributing member of the Canadian fold going forward. Now we realize the shady deal put forward recently by Harper is designed to penalize Newfoundland and Labrador over a personal dispute between himself and Williams. How petty our prime minister must be.
Section 51 of the 1985 Accord, as highlighted by our astute friend Cannuck, is an attempt by the province to ensure local workers, manufacturers and distributors are given first kick at the contracts. This gives the local economy a chance to grow. Tell me Cannuck, what were the terms of the agreement between the government of Canada and Alberta over this very issue?
Tis so true. One would have thought that Dannyboy would have simply acknowledged that he blew it in 07 instead of pointing his finger at the feds. Newfoundlanders greed is blinding them to that fact.
I don't care what it was. The section is flawed and whether or not Alberta had the same agreement does not make it right. Do you think murder is OK just because OJ got away with it....of course not.
You don't care huh? Now that Alberta is firmly entrenched with their oil industry in place, damn the rest of the country.
Newfoundland is not being damned. Don't use foolish arguments. It doesn't help your cause.
Newfoundland's GDP in 2006 was 47,520 per capita, which was second only to Alberta out of all the Canadian provinces.
Newfoundlanders that support Williams are nothing more than pigs at the trough. I personally would feel embarrassed if I were to act so greedy, so publicly.
Newfoundlanders that support Williams are nothing more than pigs at the trough. I personally would feel embarrassed if I were to act so greedy, so publicly.
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But they still need equalization, you know. Honest. They're 'entitled' to it.
So what are you trying to say? That nobody should even dare to try and get a GDP near Alberta's? Alberta get to be as greedy as they want and it's justified, yet everybody else shouldn't??
Nice logic.
Good day Cannuck. I see you brought your friends Tenpenny and Risus out to play. Welcome boys. It was getting a little tiring in here with me and Cannuck lobbing insults at each other.
Cannuck: So what if Newfoundland's GDP was second only to Alberta in 1996? Are we moving too fast for you? Is it important to you that Alberta remain at the top of the heap? Look, however this appears on the world stage is irrelevant to the province. Williams and his predecessors have fought long and hard to get Newfoundland into the position it finds itself today. Finally we are reaching a level of financial freedom after 60 years of taking it on the chin. Acting greedy huh? I put it to you that we are just asking for fairness under the Canadian umbrella. Truth be told, the rest of Canada is quaking in their boots because if Newfoundland and the whole of eastern Canada were to become self-sufficient it would upset the neat little arrangement we have operating in this country today where atlantic Canada is used as a farm for resources.
Tenpenny: The equalization payments were written into the agreement to allow Newfoundland and Labrador a chance to build it's financial foundation. These payments are not supposed to last forever and it's laid out in the Accord how they are supposed to be phased out over a few short years.
Risus: The comments by Duffy were nothing short of slander, innuendo and pure BS. Does the image he portrayed excite you? You did say it was 'intelligent' though.
Here's an article written in the Globe and Mail today. Read it and tell me who's getting shafted here.
Cannuck: So what if Newfoundland's GDP was second only to Alberta in 1996? Are we moving too fast for you? Is it important to you that Alberta remain at the top of the heap? Look, however this appears on the world stage is irrelevant to the province. Williams and his predecessors have fought long and hard to get Newfoundland into the position it finds itself today. Finally we are reaching a level of financial freedom after 60 years of taking it on the chin. Acting greedy huh? I put it to you that we are just asking for fairness under the Canadian umbrella. Truth be told, the rest of Canada is quaking in their boots because if Newfoundland and the whole of eastern Canada were to become self-sufficient it would upset the neat little arrangement we have operating in this country today where atlantic Canada is used as a farm for resources.
Tenpenny: The equalization payments were written into the agreement to allow Newfoundland and Labrador a chance to build it's financial foundation. These payments are not supposed to last forever and it's laid out in the Accord how they are supposed to be phased out over a few short years.
Risus: The comments by Duffy were nothing short of slander, innuendo and pure BS. Does the image he portrayed excite you? You did say it was 'intelligent' though.
Here's an article written in the Globe and Mail today. Read it and tell me who's getting shafted here.
Watch Alberta's story change when they have to clean up the mess their lust for bucks has earned them. They were just another cattle ranch before oil and they'll be even less without it.
No problem Lone Wolf. Harpo just granted Alberta 4.8 BILLION is relief bucks. Not bad for a province that is continuously "crowing" about their "have province" status
...but then again they vote "en mass" Conservative, so the trough has to be parked somewhere
For those who haven't read the article, how about this quote from Williams.
"It is worthy to note that while our Accords are temporary and expire in 2012, Alberta will never lose its right to be full beneficiary of its non-renewable resources."
I can see why Williams is afraid Harper will get a majority government. If Harper is leader when this Accord agreement runs out I fear the kind of deal Newfoundland will get when it's time to re-negotiate. Meanwhile, Alberta will continue to reap full benefits from their industry. Tell me where the greed lies Cannuck.
You must be positively "beet red" with the 4.8 billion gift harpo gave the Albertans in the last budget