Most of your questions are rhetorical. I'm interested in facts and truth. It is quite obvious that both elude you.
Fred Leuchter a truthful Jew
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Fred Leuchter a truthful Jew
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Even the Holocaust Memorial site says Dachau built gas chambers, but they were never used........those who died at Dachau mostly died of starvation, or diseases that result from extremely poor diet and sanitation.......
What, exactly, is your point?
Dachau was never intended as an extermination camp.......
Do you thing it matters to the dead whether they were gassed, shot or starved to death???????
You grasp at straws.
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You'll have to do better than this: this guy has been convicted of practising engineering without a licence.
He is supposed to be some kind of expert on execution, and claims to have extensively consulted with numerous states on their methods of execution. Which is at least partially true, but several states he cites deny any connection with him ever.
At least one of his "humane" execution systems has been denounced by the medical profession as simply a way to quiet the screams of the victim while the painful injection takes place.
He was sent to study the gas chambers of concentration camps by Ernst Zundel, in an attempt by Zundel to create a defense against hate charges in Canada.
A fraud, hired and paid off by one of the most famous holocaust deniers on earth,
Leuchter finds there were no gas chambers at the extermination camps.
Big surprize there.
His methods and research have been thoroughly refuted.
Go to the site, scroll down to Leuchter's actual preliminary testimony....it is good for a laugh, anyway. The prosecution makes a complete fool of him.
HOLOCAUST FAQ: The "Leuchter Report" (2/2)
The guy is a CON MAN, fer cryin' out loud.....
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The evidence that the holocaust happened is pretty undeniable. But it wasn't just a Jewish tragedy. The evidence supports claims that as many as 6 million Jews were among the 9-11 million who perished as a result of Nazi extermination policies. But that means millions of other people besides Jews also perished. Seldom are their deaths acknowledged and the Holocaust is usually portrayed as a Jewish only tragedy.
The point of these rememberances and holocaust museums should be that people don't let such events happen again and act rather than ignore the suffering of others.
Yet this type of systematic extermination has happened repeatedly since. In Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and now Darfur, people are or have been systematically exterminated while the rest of the world does little to nothing.
The mentality and rationale which leads to these events and world ambilivalence is a fairly straightforward and well known process. First the victims as dehumanized and portrayed as evil, which then justifies taking away their rights and property. Finally the authorities exterminate their victims enmasse with the tacit support of the general population.
What's truly sad is that many people who have survived the holocaust immediately did the same to others as soon as they had the chance. Ironically the holocaust is used today to justify committing similar atrocities. As noted by this British MP.
YouTube - UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
The point of these rememberances and holocaust museums should be that people don't let such events happen again and act rather than ignore the suffering of others.
Yet this type of systematic extermination has happened repeatedly since. In Cambodia, Rwanda, Bosnia and now Darfur, people are or have been systematically exterminated while the rest of the world does little to nothing.
The mentality and rationale which leads to these events and world ambilivalence is a fairly straightforward and well known process. First the victims as dehumanized and portrayed as evil, which then justifies taking away their rights and property. Finally the authorities exterminate their victims enmasse with the tacit support of the general population.
What's truly sad is that many people who have survived the holocaust immediately did the same to others as soon as they had the chance. Ironically the holocaust is used today to justify committing similar atrocities. As noted by this British MP.
YouTube - UK Jewish MP: Israel acting like Nazis in Gaza
You post is off the mark in a number of ways
First of all, the Jewish holocaust was by far the worst..........the majority of those murdered were Jews. (almost 6 million) The remainder were any number of groups: Homosexuals, politicals, Gypsies, Slavs, Russian POWS, the physically and mentally handicapped.....all of whom combined were much less in total numbers than Jews. As well the Nazis managed to wipe out over one third of the world population of Jews....a shocking culmination of over 1,000 years of European Jew-hate and persecution.
Secondly, yes, the others are acknowledged.....but their deaths are never denied. In fact, there was a monument to homosexual victims of the Nazi regime opened in 2008. I usually try to mention the others in these discussions....but they rarely come into play......nobody denies that part of it. I wonder why?????
Thirdly, the very suggestion that what is happening to the Palestinians is in any way comparable to the Jewish Holocaust is extremely offensive.
Israel has had de facto control over Gaza and the West Bank for over 40 years.....the population there has increased substantially.........in 4 years the Germans murdered about 2 out of every three Jews in their area of control. The population of Jews in Europe dropped from almost 10 million to less than 4 million. Given 40 years there would not have been a Jew left in continental Europe.......
BIG difference.
As for the UK MP.........you can find plenty of idiots in Parliament, and some despicable Jews......see the post on Mr. Leuchter above.......
Spoken like a true control freak.
You cannot make people believe that which seems less credible the longer it lives.
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Most Holocaust definitions only count the estimated 6 million Jews. The other estimated 5 million people systematically exterminated by the Nazis at the same time in the same mannner are not considered to be holocaust victims. In fact their suffering is often minimized, just as Colpy did:
How much less is 5 million relative to 6 million? Both numbers are estimates. A few per cent either way and the numbers are more or less equal.
Colpy even calls the Holocaust "the Jewish holocaust". Its as though the other people who suffered and died at the same time don't count.
Clearly the Holocaust was a significant human tragedy and Jews probably suffered more than the other groups. But you would not even know that these other groups existed from these first two holocaust definitions:
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This definition mentions the other victims but specifically defines their suffering as separate from Jewish suffering, even though they suffred the same fate at the same time for more or less the same reasons... perceived inferiority or a threat to the Aryan race:
I take the phrase "During the era of the Holocaust" to mean these other people are not part of the Holocaust.
But if the Holocaust includes other groups who were systematically exterminated at the same time as you believe Colpy, then why didn't the UN partition a European colony and give half to the Roma like they did for the Jews? The Roma have been persecuted throughout the ages the same as Jews. They were also systematically exterminated by the Nazis the same as the Jews. In fact the Roma continue to be persecuted today. Yet no one claims these people should be able to ethnically cleanse an area of non-Roma so they may have a Roma state.
I agree with the Jewish Member of the British Parliament above. Zionists have repeatedly exploited the "Jewish Holocaust" as cover for their ruthless slaughter of innocent civilians and their ongoing ethnic cleansing. The Holocaust was a shameful human tragedy. But its no excuse for the shameful human tragedy which has been going on for 60 years in Israel and Occupied Territories.
Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa and Zionist Israel are examples of the inevitable cruelty which results when governments classify people and award the superior people more rights than the inferior people. That is the real lesson which should have been learned as a result of the Holocaust. That the victims of a holocaust would do the same thing to another group of people as soon as they have a chance speaks volumes about man's inhumanity toward man.
How much less is 5 million relative to 6 million? Both numbers are estimates. A few per cent either way and the numbers are more or less equal.
Colpy even calls the Holocaust "the Jewish holocaust". Its as though the other people who suffered and died at the same time don't count.
Clearly the Holocaust was a significant human tragedy and Jews probably suffered more than the other groups. But you would not even know that these other groups existed from these first two holocaust definitions:
1)
Where does the above mention the 5 million other people systematically exterminated by the Nazis?
2)
See what I mean. No mention of the other victims.
This definition mentions the other victims but specifically defines their suffering as separate from Jewish suffering, even though they suffred the same fate at the same time for more or less the same reasons... perceived inferiority or a threat to the Aryan race:
I take the phrase "During the era of the Holocaust" to mean these other people are not part of the Holocaust.
But if the Holocaust includes other groups who were systematically exterminated at the same time as you believe Colpy, then why didn't the UN partition a European colony and give half to the Roma like they did for the Jews? The Roma have been persecuted throughout the ages the same as Jews. They were also systematically exterminated by the Nazis the same as the Jews. In fact the Roma continue to be persecuted today. Yet no one claims these people should be able to ethnically cleanse an area of non-Roma so they may have a Roma state.
I agree with the Jewish Member of the British Parliament above. Zionists have repeatedly exploited the "Jewish Holocaust" as cover for their ruthless slaughter of innocent civilians and their ongoing ethnic cleansing. The Holocaust was a shameful human tragedy. But its no excuse for the shameful human tragedy which has been going on for 60 years in Israel and Occupied Territories.
Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa and Zionist Israel are examples of the inevitable cruelty which results when governments classify people and award the superior people more rights than the inferior people. That is the real lesson which should have been learned as a result of the Holocaust. That the victims of a holocaust would do the same thing to another group of people as soon as they have a chance speaks volumes about man's inhumanity toward man.
Idiots find humour in all. They don't even know why it's funny.
Bishop's Holocaust apology
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Wiesenthal went on:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]"After 1942 people in the General Government [Poland] knew quite well what the RIF soap meant. The civilized world may not believe the joy with which the Nazis and their women in the General Government thought of this soap. In each piece of soap they saw a Jew who had been magically put there, and had thus been prevented from growing into a second Freud, Ehrlich or Einstein."[/FONT]
Colpy this is your hero speaking. I hear his words in you. Or was it that you learned all this in a Canadian school?
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]: The A standard history studies textbook used in Canadian secondary schools, CanadaTwentieth Century, told students that the Germans "boiled" the corpses of their Jewish victims "to make soap." [23] The Anatomy of Nazism, a booklet published and distributed by the Zionist "Anti-Defamation League" of B'nai B'rith, stated: "The process of brutalization did not end with the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were manufactured from the corpses of those murdered." [24][/FONT]
Cannuck and Colpy truths.
Bishop's Holocaust apology
- Paola Totaro Europe Correspondent
February 3, 2009 - Bishop's Holocaust apology - World - smh.com.au He didn't appologize he said that he needed to speak the truth and stood firm.
- no people were gassed at any of the Camps.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]Wiesenthal went on:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]"After 1942 people in the General Government [Poland] knew quite well what the RIF soap meant. The civilized world may not believe the joy with which the Nazis and their women in the General Government thought of this soap. In each piece of soap they saw a Jew who had been magically put there, and had thus been prevented from growing into a second Freud, Ehrlich or Einstein."[/FONT]
Colpy this is your hero speaking. I hear his words in you. Or was it that you learned all this in a Canadian school?
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular]: The A standard history studies textbook used in Canadian secondary schools, CanadaTwentieth Century, told students that the Germans "boiled" the corpses of their Jewish victims "to make soap." [23] The Anatomy of Nazism, a booklet published and distributed by the Zionist "Anti-Defamation League" of B'nai B'rith, stated: "The process of brutalization did not end with the mass murders themselves. Large quantities of soap were manufactured from the corpses of those murdered." [24][/FONT]
Cannuck and Colpy truths.
So Einsmench, what's your point????
Some Catholic priests don't like Jews? BIG surprize there. Some are right-wing? Really??!!! (sarcasm alert) Some are not ethically all they could be? No!!!!
And some are vicious and stupid enough to deny the Holocaust. Outrageous.
As for the soap thing, I still don't get your point. Even the Holocaust centre in Israel debunks the soap story....saying it was a ploy simply to terrorize Jews.......
You know, this stuff all just detracts from the point.....you have not moved one inch towards your goal of revising the historical theses that about 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis.......and, as a revisionist, it is up to you to prove the conventional wisdon is fallicy.....
You can't do it.
Because it is fact.
Get over it. Your loved ones fought for the Evil Empire, perhaps the worst the world has ever known.
Unfortunate, and I understand that it would upset you.....but you need to move past it, not try and justify the existence of that monolith of murder, Nazi Germany......
Some Catholic priests don't like Jews? BIG surprize there. Some are right-wing? Really??!!! (sarcasm alert) Some are not ethically all they could be? No!!!!
And some are vicious and stupid enough to deny the Holocaust. Outrageous.
As for the soap thing, I still don't get your point. Even the Holocaust centre in Israel debunks the soap story....saying it was a ploy simply to terrorize Jews.......
You know, this stuff all just detracts from the point.....you have not moved one inch towards your goal of revising the historical theses that about 6 million Jews were murdered by the Nazis.......and, as a revisionist, it is up to you to prove the conventional wisdon is fallicy.....
You can't do it.
Because it is fact.
Get over it. Your loved ones fought for the Evil Empire, perhaps the worst the world has ever known.
Unfortunate, and I understand that it would upset you.....but you need to move past it, not try and justify the existence of that monolith of murder, Nazi Germany......
You missed the point, Colpy. Soap was presented at the Nuremberg trials and accepted as valid. This is after the war. So after the war we scare Jews? Not too bright !
Canadian School textbooks mentioned Germans making soap out of Jews. This was to scare Jews? After the war is long over!
Witnesses swore that people were gassed at Dachau.
That was a lie that was accepted as valid.
Prove that there were gassings Colpy? You can't do it because they didn't happen.
Gassings-the mother of all lies. Protect the lie with laws and ignorance
Accept your lies? No Colpy! You are unable to see your own nonesense.
Looks like the new one that is starting to gain momentum is that Germans shot two million Jews. The Gas lie is going down just like the Canadian school textbook soap lie. So we will go to shooting.
If you want to talk about the Big Murderer-- Talk about the Jews that murdered tens of millions in Russia.
I see we are back to Jew hater. Are you paid to post you crap?
Canadian School textbooks mentioned Germans making soap out of Jews. This was to scare Jews? After the war is long over!
Witnesses swore that people were gassed at Dachau.
That was a lie that was accepted as valid.
Prove that there were gassings Colpy? You can't do it because they didn't happen.
Gassings-the mother of all lies. Protect the lie with laws and ignorance
Accept your lies? No Colpy! You are unable to see your own nonesense.
Looks like the new one that is starting to gain momentum is that Germans shot two million Jews. The Gas lie is going down just like the Canadian school textbook soap lie. So we will go to shooting.
If you want to talk about the Big Murderer-- Talk about the Jews that murdered tens of millions in Russia.
I see we are back to Jew hater. Are you paid to post you crap?
You still haven't told me your point........because they did NOT melt Jews down into soap as a industry does not mean the Holocaust did not happen.
Only an idiot or a Nazi believes there were no gassings at Auschwitz and other extermination camps.....as I said, you are the revisionist...PROVE there were none, that is how history is done.....the Revisionist carries the onus of proof.....so far, you've come up with ziltch!
Einsatzgruppen shot hundreds of thousands.........accepted historical fact........prove it is untrue.
As for Russia, what the hell are you talking about????
True, Stalin killed more than Hitler.........but he was not a Jew. Neither was Lenin. Trotsky was, but he was out of it before the real killing started (under Stalin).
Are you going to try and pin Stalin's reign of terror on JEWS?????
And you wonder why I think you are a Jew-hater!!!!!:roll::roll::roll::roll::roll::roll:
Colpy ---The onus is on the court to prove someone is guilty. Evidence used was obtained by torture, soap was used as evidence-a total lie, witnesses lied under oath , no scientific studies have been made by the accusers and scientific studies that have been made by individuals are ridiculed and often those individuals are sent to prison. No follow up studies were ever made of these investigations. THERE IS NO PROOF that people were gassed and you are unable to provide any.
There is no scientific proof that Gas was used to kill people. Obviously you have no idea what is involved in gassing. The stories that are told , the physical construction of the Camps' supposed gas chambers are ludicrous.
Since you are so knowledgeable provide some proof that people were gassed? Calling me a JEW hater is not evidence that gas chambers were used.
Obviously you are not too bright. Your statement that the soap story was to scare the Jews--in Canadian school textbooks long after the war. The soap being used as evidence at the Nuremberg Trials after Germany had been defeated and the Jews knew all along that it was a story made up to scare Jews!
If you have any proof the evidence Germans killed people in Gas Chambers post it. I'm not interested in you bullsheeet or sick imagination.
Why was Ann Frank not Gassed on arrival at Auschwitz?
There is no scientific proof that Gas was used to kill people. Obviously you have no idea what is involved in gassing. The stories that are told , the physical construction of the Camps' supposed gas chambers are ludicrous.
Since you are so knowledgeable provide some proof that people were gassed? Calling me a JEW hater is not evidence that gas chambers were used.
Obviously you are not too bright. Your statement that the soap story was to scare the Jews--in Canadian school textbooks long after the war. The soap being used as evidence at the Nuremberg Trials after Germany had been defeated and the Jews knew all along that it was a story made up to scare Jews!
If you have any proof the evidence Germans killed people in Gas Chambers post it. I'm not interested in you bullsheeet or sick imagination.
Why was Ann Frank not Gassed on arrival at Auschwitz?
The Jewish secret laws are based on the fundamental principle which states: Only the Jew is human. In contrast all non-Jews are animals, they are beasts in human form. Anything is permitted against them. The Jew may lie to, cheat and steal from them. He may rape and murder them. There are hundreds of passages in the Talmud which the non-jews are described as animals. Some of them are as follows:
- “The Jews are called human beings, but the non-Jews are not humans. They are beasts.” (Talmud: Baba Mezia 114b)
- “The Akum (Negro) is like a dog. Yes, the scripture teaches to honor the dog more than the Akum.” (Ereget Raschi Erod. 22
30) - “Even though God created the non-Jew they are still animals in human form. It is not becoming for a Jew to be served by an
animal. Therefore he will be served by animals in human form.” (Midrasch Talpioth, p. 255, Warsaw 1855) - “A pregnant non-Jew is no better than a pregnant animal.” (Coschen Hamischpat 405)
- “The souls of non-Jews come from impure spirits and are called pigs.” (Jalkut Rubeni gadol 12b)
- “Although the non-Jew has the same body structure as the Jew, they compare with the Jew like a monkey to a human.” (Schene
Luchoth Haberith, p. 250b)
- “If you eat with a non-Jew, it is the same as eating with a dog.” (Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b)
- “If a Jew has a non-Jewish servant of maid who dies, one should not express sympathy to the Jew. You should tell to the Jew:
?God will replace ?your loss,’ just as if one of his oxen or asses had died.” (Jore Dea 377, 1) - “Sexual intercoms between non-Jews is like intercourse between animals.” (Sanhedrin 74b)
- “It is permitted to take the body and the life of a non-Jew.” (Sepher Ikkarim IIIc, 25)
- “It is the law to kill anyone who denies the Torah (Talmud - Sanhedrin 59b). The Christians
belong to the denying ones of the Torah (Talmud).” (Coschen Hamischpat 425, Hagah 425, 5) - “Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless (non-Jew), is doing the same as making a sacrifice to God.” (Bammidber Raba, c 21 & Jalkut 772)
One point at a time.....you accuse the entire society of perpetrating the lie of the Holocaust, an accepted fact of history. There fore, by both the rules of the court, and the accepted practice of historical review, it is up to you to prove the guilt of the society, and the falsehood of accepted history, using evidence....not the crap presented by loonies and con-men.
Now, one issue at a time:
Soap:
Gas
The Dachau Gas Chambers
Auschwitz Gas Chambers
Gas Chambers at Majdanek concentration camp
Killing People Through Gas In Extermination and Concentration Camps
Ann Frank was young, and probably capable of work.......
Now, one issue at a time:
Soap:
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[/SIZE][/FONT]Real History and the Nazi "soap" fable
Note please this is about an Israeli expert on the Holocaust. Actually, I am not surprized the soap hoax carried on, even into textbooks (if that is true), or to the kangaroo trials of Nuremburg. It is simply so horrific that it inspires some fascination and if, at the time, the Germans claimed it themselves, who would doubt it?
How does the fact Germans didn't make soap, acknowledged by Jewish scholars and everyone else, mean the conventional wisdom of 6 million Jewish dead is false?????[/SIZE][/FONT]Real History and the Nazi "soap" fable
Note please this is about an Israeli expert on the Holocaust. Actually, I am not surprized the soap hoax carried on, even into textbooks (if that is true), or to the kangaroo trials of Nuremburg. It is simply so horrific that it inspires some fascination and if, at the time, the Germans claimed it themselves, who would doubt it?
Gas
The Dachau Gas Chambers
Auschwitz Gas Chambers
Gas Chambers at Majdanek concentration camp
Killing People Through Gas In Extermination and Concentration Camps
Ann Frank was young, and probably capable of work.......
Now, answer a question for me; I read today that the President of Germany is challenging the Catholic Church over Holocaust denial..... please explain the following:
The German government and people seem to be the most determined believers in the Jewish holocaust: they have strict laws against Holocaust denial (which I disagree with), and even their President is quick to challenge any institution that suggests the Holocaust was something less than that accepted in conventional history..... so, why do the Germans insist on their own guilt? Why do they determinedly engage in public self-flagellation, if not from a horror at these actions, and a determination to prevent any repetition? Is this not clearly an indication that it all happened? If the Germans are convinced, and paying even 65 years later........well, seems they have pleaded "Guilty" in your so-called court.
The German government and people seem to be the most determined believers in the Jewish holocaust: they have strict laws against Holocaust denial (which I disagree with), and even their President is quick to challenge any institution that suggests the Holocaust was something less than that accepted in conventional history..... so, why do the Germans insist on their own guilt? Why do they determinedly engage in public self-flagellation, if not from a horror at these actions, and a determination to prevent any repetition? Is this not clearly an indication that it all happened? If the Germans are convinced, and paying even 65 years later........well, seems they have pleaded "Guilty" in your so-called court.
Yep.
This is hatred.........in ancient texts.
If this sort of thing disturbs you, I'd stay away from the Koran.