If you were the Governor General, what would you do?

[Socrates the Greek]

Harper is a much better man than the idiot dion or the rest of the three stooges. And she would say that....

Hey Risus the fraise above you should whisper, you loose points if you think Harper holds the light to a moral theater.........You must be blinded by the thought of Harpers name, let alone his actions. Deon according to you is the boring professor and Harper in your view is a very moral guy, well you know what I say to that?
DUNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.......

 

[SirJosephPorter]

SirJosephPorter, YOUR POST IS ON THE DOE, WORTH OF RE-POSTING.
Harper's DUPLICITY will hurt Canada big time....

Why, thank you for your kind words, Socrates.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Kreskin has it right- what would you do? Give it to the party with the fewest seats?

JLM, I would give it to the faction which has support of more than 50% of the MPs. Who becomes the PM is the business of the coalition.

In most European countries, coalitions are quite common; most of them have proportional representation. The leader of the biggest party doesn’t always become the PM.


Sometimes what happens is that there may be five or six parties in the coalition, two of them are the biggest and have roughly equal strength. If the two parties cannot agree which party will have the post of PM, they make leader of a smaller party the PM

Again, there is nothing that says that in a coalition, the leader of biggest party should be the PM. Most of the times it would work out that way, though not always.

So a party has most seats, or fewest seats, these things are irrelevant when it comes to constitution. Constitution is concerned with only one issue, which coalition has more than 50% of the support. Anything else is flexible, negotiable.

 

[#juan]

I just watched both Harper's and Dion's speeches regarding this affair and I have to say that I expected more fire out of Harper but his speech was exactly what he's been saying all week. Nothing new. Dion gave his reasons for taking the position he has and it sounded reasonable..Harper is hiding, and has been hiding for a couple weeks at least.

 

[lone wolf]

If I were Governor General, what would I do? I'd tell them all to grow up....

Dion's speech didn't even make it to CTV. Sour grapes over all his flubs?

 

[Socrates the Greek]

I just watched both Harper's and Dion's speeches regarding this affair and I have to say that I expected more fire out of Harper but his speech was exactly what he's been saying all week. Nothing new. Dion gave his reasons for taking the position he has and it sounded reasonable..Harper is hiding, and has been hiding for a couple weeks at least.

I would like to see this Coalition work to the point it may help politics reinvent them selfs to somthing new green in politics not the politics of the past, newgreen politics of hope. That is what is needed here at home......Viva to the Liberal coalition of Canada - Vive à la coalition Libérale du Canada

 

[Socrates the Greek]

The new name should be - The Liberal Coalition of Canada....
La coalition Libérale du Canada....

 

[SirJosephPorter]

If I were Governor General, what would I do? I'd tell them all to grow up....

Dion's speech didn't even make it to CTV. Sour grapes over all his flubs?

Lone wolf, CTV has a strong conservative bias. We don’t know if they did not receive the speech or whether they decided not to broadcast it. CBC, Global etc, broadcast it, so I am suspicious.

I still remember (all these past anecdotes really remind me that I am getting old) the second majority that Chrétien received. It was a small majority; he did get more than 50% of the seats, but not much more.

I remember that night; CTV predicted a minority government, and CTV commentators held a solemn discussion as to what it meant for Canada. A couple of hours later they ended up with egg on their face when Liberals received a majority.

So with CTV, I am suspicious, we don’t know whether they did not receive the speech or whether they decided not to broadcast it.

 

[Adriatik]

Harper convinced nobody tonight

This evening, I watched Harper's address to Canadians and it has to be the most pathetic attempt to save his ass so far.

All he did was repeat the same lies he's been saying for a week and used the same scare tactics, except this time with less pissing and moaning since he was on national TV.

All I know is that he sure looked nervous and stiff, more stiff than usual anyway and I loved every second of seeing him in distress.

He didn't even apologize to the Canadian people for his failure to attack the economic crisis and failure to try cooperating with the opposition MPs duly elected to the House of Commons.

He said he wants to cooperate now but i don't believe a word of it but even if it were the truth, guess what?-- It's a little too late at this point. How can he expect The House and the Canadian people to trust him and his government after the **** he just pulled in the last week. He sure is arrogant and shameless to think that the Opposition would want to work with him again.

This guy is crazy, he's trying to divide the country to save his job... We were doing fine regarding national unity since 1995 until now. Unfortunately, some naive Canadians are believing Harper's scare tactics and lies just like Americans believed Bush's during his 2 terms as President of the USA.

Are they really scared that Quebec is going to separate? Come on! Snap out of it. It's been almost 15 years since the last referendum and almost 30 years since the first one... Quebecers have made it clear that they don't want to separate. Quebec would have already seceeded is its population was that passionate about it. Quebecers live here too and have their own issues that need to be addressed. Unfortuantely, only the Bloc can offer that representation it needs to do so since no other parties are willing to listen...

Now I just hope that the brainwashed will understand that Quebec is not going to separate and that the Bloc will not break the country up. It is not trying to push its partisan agenda forward, only the Conservatives are guity of that.

What's going to happen is that the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc are going to work together to help people coast to coast to coast until this economic downturn is over. They at least have already made proposals rather than advancing partisan policies like Harper and his team.

Harper's gotta go, END OF STORY

 

[Zzarchov]

I sure don't know how you dreamed up all that rubbish!

Grade 7 civics class, then in Law in grade 11. Oh, and a cursory reading of our constitution.

You can also read one of the many books on this subject.

It stems from our law seperating from British in 1867 while the formalized role of Prime Minisister didn't appear in the UK until 1905 I think it was?

So we have a prime minisiter, just no constitutional definition. He's just some guy (or girl) appointed by the queen through her governor general.

Thats why harper could be PM in the first place despite failing to have support of Parliment which is the definition in most countries, because we don't actually have a definition of PM.

 

[Kreskin]

Threads merged. There are enough of these topics on the board. No need to add more.

 

[lone wolf]

Lone wolf, CTV has a strong conservative bias. We don’t know if they did not receive the speech or whether they decided not to broadcast it. CBC, Global etc, broadcast it, so I am suspicious.

I still remember (all these past anecdotes really remind me that I am getting old) the second majority that Chrétien received. It was a small majority; he did get more than 50% of the seats, but not much more.

I remember that night; CTV predicted a minority government, and CTV commentators held a solemn discussion as to what it meant for Canada. A couple of hours later they ended up with egg on their face when Liberals received a majority.

So with CTV, I am suspicious, we don’t know whether they did not receive the speech or whether they decided not to broadcast it.

If you'd heard the comments about how Harper's speech was lacking in its integrity, that bias might not seem so strong. If it WAS bias ... they left Lloyd with egg on his face.

 

[Socrates the Greek]

This evening, I watched Harper's address to Canadians and it has to be the most pathetic attempt to save his ass so far.

All he did was repeat the same lies he's been saying for a week and used the same scare tactics, except this time with less pissing and moaning since he was on national TV.

All I know is that he sure looked nervous and stiff, more stiff than usual anyway and I loved every second of seeing him in distress.

He didn't even apologize to the Canadian people for his failure to attack the economic crisis and failure to try cooperating with the opposition MPs duly elected to the House of Commons.

He said he wants to cooperate now but i don't believe a word of it but even if it were the truth, guess what?-- It's a little too late at this point. How can he expect The House and the Canadian people to trust him and his government after the **** he just pulled in the last week. He sure is arrogant and shameless to think that the Opposition would want to work with him again.

This guy is crazy, he's trying to divide the country to save his job... We were doing fine regarding national unity since 1995 until now. Unfortunately, some naive Canadians are believing Harper's scare tactics and lies just like Americans believed Bush's during his 2 terms as President of the USA.

Are they really scared that Quebec is going to separate? Come on! Snap out of it. It's been almost 15 years since the last referendum and almost 30 years since the first one... Quebecers have made it clear that they don't want to separate. Quebec would have already seceeded is its population was that passionate about it. Quebecers live here too and have their own issues that need to be addressed. Unfortuantely, only the Bloc can offer that representation it needs to do so since no other parties are willing to listen...

Now I just hope that the brainwashed will understand that Quebec is not going to separate and that the Bloc will not break the country up. It is not trying to push its partisan agenda forward, only the Conservatives are guity of that.

What's going to happen is that the Liberals, NDP and the Bloc are going to work together to help people coast to coast to coast until this economic downturn is over. They at least have already made proposals rather than advancing partisan policies like Harper and his team.

Harper's gotta go, END OF STORY

Good evening to you Adriatik, your point below hits the nail on the head, the people, Joe the plumber, the poor people, not sorry nothing to show that Harper as an economist he understands the deep concerns of the people.......
To Harper instead of the olive branch he wants to declare war on the opposition.... Tonight on his pathetic speech he further insults the intelligence of the people by talking about the bad idea the coalition is for Canada and for him, but for him first, because he created this mess, Harper is the author of this political madness in Ottawa.
The new Coalition name should be

Liberal Coalition of Canada

"He didn't even apologize to the Canadian people for his failure to attack the economic crisis and failure to try cooperating with the opposition MPs duly elected to the House of Commons".

 

[Socrates the Greek]

Justin's opinion on the Coalition.

Liberal.ca :: Justin Trudeau comments on the Liberal-NDP coalition

 

[Ron in Regina]

Well....If I was the GG, and flew in to face this Goat-Rodeo, and knew that no matter what
choice I relayed from the pack-o-lawyers sniffing out this mess so that I would have to pretend
that the Lawyers decision was my own, I'd look out for myself.

I'd tell Harper that, "I'm taking offers so what'cha got? I'll talk to the Coalition and then
get back to you!" Then I'd send him away to sweat.

Then I'd meet with the Pack-o-Three and tell them, "Harper offered me one of the seven
open Senate seats so I'm set for life! If you want to for the next Government, you'd
better at LEAST match that offer, and then top it! What'cha got?" Then I'd accept the
Senate Posting and whatever Gravy on top of that they throw at me to buy their way into the
Coalition Government.

My one concession to the good of Canada would be to ensure that the Coalition has plans to
immediately build many-many-many huge parking lots and lumber yards, and then I'd wish them
well and show them out the door. With the U.S. in a recession, and 80% plus of the automobiles
made in Canada (and I'm assuming at least that high a percentage of our lumber) normally destine
for that market (and they aren't buy'n or build'n), we're going to need somewhere to put all the
Cars and Lumber that a 23-30 Billion dollar bail-out can pay to manufacture.

Then I'd call Harper up and say, "After much soul searching and conciliation with my legal
staff, I regret to inform you that my decision in the best interests of the nation will be to
award the balance of this term of Governance of the 40th General Election of Canada to
the coalition to be lead by the Liberal Party with Stephane Dion as PM. Thanks for coming
out."

Then I'd laugh my @ss off 'till the age of seventy-five!!! Thankfully, I'm not the GG, eh? 8O:lol:8O:lol:8O:lol:

 

[Colpy]

Justin's opinion on the Coalition.

Liberal.ca :: Justin Trudeau comments on the Liberal-NDP coalition

His father would disown him.

 

[Scott Free]

Or at least flip him the bird.

 

[JLM]

JLM, I would give it to the faction which has support of more than 50% of the MPs. Who becomes the PM is the business of the coalition.

In most European countries, coalitions are quite common; most of them have proportional representation. The leader of the biggest party doesn’t always become the PM.


Sometimes what happens is that there may be five or six parties in the coalition, two of them are the biggest and have roughly equal strength. If the two parties cannot agree which party will have the post of PM, they make leader of a smaller party the PM

Again, there is nothing that says that in a coalition, the leader of biggest party should be the PM. Most of the times it would work out that way, though not always.

So a party has most seats, or fewest seats, these things are irrelevant when it comes to constitution. Constitution is concerned with only one issue, which coalition has more than 50% of the support. Anything else is flexible, negotiable.

Yep, a lot of strange things can happen in politics I heard years ago (never saw it happen yet) that a Prime Minster can also appoint a member of one of the opposition as a cabinet member- I could see it happening if the gov't didn't have a competent enough lawyer to make Atty. General for instance.

 

[Praxius]

CTV News - Harper and Dion Speak to the Nation

Latest : Speaking to the people

^ Video of Harper's speech

Followed by Dion's

Followed by Layton's

Followed by about half of Duceppe's and then feedback from the CTV guys.


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One thing I noticed was that Harper's speech was all in english and focused a lot on flat out lies and exaggerations.

Dion's was pretty bad and unfortunatly I guess that was the best shot..... good thing he's leaving soon anyways and everybody else can point his finger to do his job. Hopefully Iggy will take over the Liberals soon.

Layton's speech was very good, very straight forward and to the point, in english and french, which is decent of him..... CTV has to fire their damn translators though.... they sounded worse speaking english then Dion ffs.

And Duceppe seems to be talking more about Quebec's interests in regards to jobs and making new ones like every other province, and also seemed to explain their position just as straight forward as the other two.

To me, considering Harper just lied on a few occasions to the canadian public, the Coalition has to go forward...... Harper is just plain nuts off his rocker..... he screwed his wig on the wrong way or something.

Anyways, although I pretty much know each person's opinion on this is going to be, what did you think of each speech? I would like to know what good and bad things you thought about each person's speech now that you heard their offical take on things and what they want us to actually believe from here on (Which means we stick it to them for whatever they said and if they ever screw up...... by jebus *shakes fist*)

 

[Praxius]

Threads merged. There are enough of these topics on the board. No need to add more.

Oops, I wasn't sure if the video link to the speeches was being linked or talked about in any great detail, so I started a seperate thread. Could you be a dear and perhaps merge that thread I created into this one now that I see people are talking about it here?

;-)

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