Paganism - the ancient religion of our ancestors

Vereya

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Nice try but religion and spirituality are one and the same. Would you like me to post the 100 or so verses that deal with respect for the beasts of burden and respect for the land?

With all due respect - don't post the verses right now, please? :smile:
let's forget about what is written in the book, just for a while, and look at the real and tangible things that the followers of your religion have done to the Earth's eco-system.
 

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Vereya,

In my humble opinion I believe you have a temper of sorts.

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Vereya

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How do you figure?

Stopping a moment to admire a beautiful sunset is a spiritual moment.

Reading a bit of poetry that causes me to pause and reflect upon its meaning is spiritual...

Every fall I go to a wildlife refuge where wounded hawks, falcons and owls have been mended and then released back into the wild...this is a spiritual moment for me as well...

None of these things have anything to do with religion...

Nor do I believe that paganism is any different than your bag, just has a different and varied face to the superstition...

Spirituality is spirituality and religion is religion. They might intertwine or complement each other, but they are quite capable of existing and working separately.

As for Paganism being the same as christianity... I wouldn't say so. If we leave aside the purely religious matters, such as rites and Gods, and if we examine the underlying philosophy, the difference is huge. If, I will repeat some of my other posts here, if you examine the ends pursued by these two religions and their goals, you will see the difference straight away.
 

Vereya

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Good essay Vereya, but... paganism is a pretty broad category, I don't think you can legitimately claim it's *the* religion of our ancestors, it really just means any religious belief system that's outside the monotheistic Abrahamic traditions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. That's a lot of territory, covers everything from the old Norse, Greek and Roman mythologies to contemporary Wicca (which actually dates from only the 1940s), the Great Mooja Up The Mountain to the Spaghetti Monster and Bertrand Russell's orbiting teapot. The word Pagan derives from Latin, and just means a country dweller, somebody uneducated and unsophisticated, a bumpkin in modern terminology. Which I think is about right; there's no good evidence in support of any religious belief system, they're all just human inventions and have not much to do with reality.

Well, if you do some research on Paganism, you will probably notice that the idea and philosophy underlying the different mythology are basically the same. Paganism has got its set of Gods and Goddesses, but they are there to make it easier for humans to grasp some very complex notions. Besides, most humans do need to worship someone, and to trust that a higher power supports them. And as for Pagan philosophy of life, I believe that it has stood the test of time, and it is much more rewarding and positive than what is offered by monotheistic religions.
 

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Well if you do, with all due respect to you, why the smiley face?

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darkbeaver

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Good essay Vereya, but... paganism is a pretty broad category, I don't think you can legitimately claim it's *the* religion of our ancestors, it really just means any religious belief system that's outside the monotheistic Abrahamic traditions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. That's a lot of territory, covers everything from the old Norse, Greek and Roman mythologies to contemporary Wicca (which actually dates from only the 1940s), the Great Mooja Up The Mountain to the Spaghetti Monster and Bertrand Russell's orbiting teapot. The word Pagan derives from Latin, and just means a country dweller, somebody uneducated and unsophisticated, a bumpkin in modern terminology. Which I think is about right; there's no good evidence in support of any religious belief system, they're all just human inventions and have not much to do with reality.

Paganism is not simply a broad category, it is universal. That universality indicates something tangeble as it's base. That real base is and was from observation. There is much good evidence to support the real existance of the old gods Mars, Jupiter, Venus etc;. What was done to the old gods I would call religification.
 

Vereya

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The word Pagan derives from Latin, and just means a country dweller, somebody uneducated and unsophisticated, a bumpkin in modern terminology. Which I think is about right; there's no good evidence in support of any religious belief system, they're all just human inventions and have not much to do with reality.

another thing I have forgotten to write earlier :smile: You are absolutely right in saying that the word "Pagan" is derived from the Latin "country dweller". The reason for it is that the people who lived in the country were the last to accept Christianity, and they clung to their Gods for as long as they could. Even long after Christianity has become the official religion in most European countries, Pagan beliefs and Pagan rites were still practiced in the countryside. Thus the etymology of the French word "villain" - the Christian authorities reacted so negatively to the surviving Pagan practices, that the word that originally meant "country dweller" began to mean "scoundrel".
 

darkbeaver

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The main line religious franchises also worked to impose central authority independent of celestial timeing and natural rythms, there was to be no adherance or knowledge about the natural authority of the earth and the heavens. Our natural heritage was to be replaced by a managed hierarchy of fear. And so it is today, the pretenters still rule with fear and ridicule. A pox on them all.