Paganism - the ancient religion of our ancestors

Vereya

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And how would that be written in the Latin (our) alphabet?

I see what you are driving at :smile: The word "Крестьянин" would be spelled as "Krestianin" in Latin letters, and it does show a connection to the word "Christian". And there is a connection, indeed. The word "Крестьянин" first originated in the14th century, when Russia already was a Christian country. One of the most outstanding Russian linguists proved in 1928 that this word appeared due to the fact that the Church owned huge lands, and the ones who worked those lands were supposed to be Christian. The authentic word for "Крестьянин" is "smerd". "Крестьянин" is just a later term, imposed by the church.
 

Vereya

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Spiritualism is a response to emotional stimuli...nothing more, nothing less, and has absolutely no ties to religion or god.

I agree. Spiritualism is something that exist outside of religions, but the two are closely connected. On the one hand, spiritualism is the foundation for any religion, thus religion is just a vent for it. On the other hand, religion is something that concentrates and and directs your spiritual entity. Both exist, and both are capable of existing without each other.
 

Vereya

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The main line religious franchises also worked to impose central authority independent of celestial timeing and natural rythms, there was to be no adherance or knowledge about the natural authority of the earth and the heavens. Our natural heritage was to be replaced by a managed hierarchy of fear. And so it is today, the pretenters still rule with fear and ridicule. A pox on them all.

One other thing I that I guess we can blame the monotheistic religions for is the unification of the world. I mean, few truly national customs survive. The world right now can roughly be separated into two parts - the Christian world and the Muslim world. And within these two worlds the people are basically the same. The Christian part of the world imposes pretty the same way of thinking and way of life in every country, I guess the Muslim part does the same. The only difference now lies in the wealth and stability of each particular country. I am not sure that this "sameness" is a good thing. We are loosing a lot of interesting things and phenomena in the process.
 

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One other thing I that I guess we can blame the monotheistic religions for is the unification of the world. I mean, few truly national customs survive. The world right now can roughly be separated into two parts - the Christian world and the Muslim world. And within these two worlds the people are basically the same. The Christian part of the world imposes pretty the same way of thinking and way of life in every country, I guess the Muslim part does the same. The only difference now lies in the wealth and stability of each particular country. I am not sure that this "sameness" is a good thing. We are loosing a lot of interesting things and phenomena in the process.

Other than India,

Or anyone from a Buddhist or Confucian region, which outnumber muslims.

Then we have the large number of Animist regions still in place.

And there is a big difference between Christian nations, some are secularized (as are some Muslim nations) and vastly different.
 

darkbeaver

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One other thing I that I guess we can blame the monotheistic religions for is the unification of the world. I mean, few truly national customs survive. The world right now can roughly be separated into two parts - the Christian world and the Muslim world. And within these two worlds the people are basically the same. The Christian part of the world imposes pretty the same way of thinking and way of life in every country, I guess the Muslim part does the same. The only difference now lies in the wealth and stability of each particular country. I am not sure that this "sameness" is a good thing. We are loosing a lot of interesting things and phenomena in the process.

I understand the monotheist religions as explorations of early banking experiments where converts were saddled with the debt of a soul which could only be paid for by eternal labour. The sameness, maybe, is a result of some kind of cultural consolodation, it's the machine efficiency of good business, they have to narrow choice and diversity. One planet one god one government one currency one law one way one day soon I'm afraid. It's the diversity they want to destroy I think, to many random perspectives to control.
 

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One planet one god one government one currency one law one way one day soon I'm afraid. It's the diversity they want to destroy I think, to many random perspectives to control.

darkbeaver,

Ithink even the boys in your avatar will agree with that. One World government under god or live in hell. George Orwell would be proud.
 

Vereya

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Other than India,

Or anyone from a Buddhist or Confucian region, which outnumber muslims.

Then we have the large number of Animist regions still in place.

And there is a big difference between Christian nations, some are secularized (as are some Muslim nations) and vastly different.

Who was it who said that strength doesn't lie in numbers? I really can't remember :smile:
Buddhist and Confucians might outnumber the Muslims, but they don't have the influence that the Muslims do, and so ultimately they will have to step back. The same goes for the Animist regions. Sad as it might be.
 

Vereya

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I understand the monotheist religions as explorations of early banking experiments where converts were saddled with the debt of a soul which could only be paid for by eternal labour. The sameness, maybe, is a result of some kind of cultural consolodation, it's the machine efficiency of good business, they have to narrow choice and diversity. One planet one god one government one currency one law one way one day soon I'm afraid. It's the diversity they want to destroy I think, to many random perspectives to control.

It's like making people pay for what they are entitled to for free. One way of life, so it's much easier to isolate those who do not fit in. Diversity is not even to be thought of. Compare - one image of god that everyone has to imitate, whether that image is pleasant to them or not, and many different Gods, with many different attributes, to choose the one that fits you the best, at the same time respecting the other ones. Where does the diversity lie?
 

Vereya

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One planet one god one government one currency one law one way one day soon I'm afraid. It's the diversity they want to destroy I think, to many random perspectives to control.

darkbeaver,

Ithink even the boys in your avatar will agree with that. One World government under god or live in hell. George Orwell would be proud.

Absolutely. Just the idea I was driving at.
 

SirJosephPorter

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One other thing I that I guess we can blame the monotheistic religions for is the unification of the world. I mean, few truly national customs survive. The world right now can roughly be separated into two parts - the Christian world and the Muslim world. And within these two worlds the people are basically the same.


Vereya, I don’t think that is quite right. You are leaving out India, with its one billion population, most of whom are Hindus. Hinduism has a totally different perspective from Christianity or Islam. It is the oldest religion on earth, it was thriving when the Greeks worshipped the ancient Greek Gods, it is thriving today. It has a bright future, India is an upcoming country with great promise, bright future.

In days to come, India will be a force to reckon with, and it supplies a totally different perspective form Christianity and Islam.
 

darkbeaver

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It's like making people pay for what they are entitled to for free. One way of life, so it's much easier to isolate those who do not fit in. Diversity is not even to be thought of. Compare - one image of god that everyone has to imitate, whether that image is pleasant to them or not, and many different Gods, with many different attributes, to choose the one that fits you the best, at the same time respecting the other ones. Where does the diversity lie?

The root of efficiency is standardization. I always hesitate to use the word free and the word entitled. The favour of the gods has always commanded or demanded attention to observed compiled natural science kept by the shamans and there is always the cost of effort which is required to partake of that favour. In our age words have lost their meanings, we are in the age of babble maybe. Or is that a state of collective human conscience reached in manufactured confusion the purpose of which is to control the message through the mediums of the bable of empty stupifying frivolous choice. It's been a long successful diversion that they've laboured on for all this time of the post diluvial period right up to the present. Our ignorance is their defence. Disinformation is the best defence against information. There are no 1st world institutions that do not diseminate disinformation. The truth will set you free.:smile:
 

SirJosephPorter

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I understand the monotheist religions as explorations of early banking experiments where converts were saddled with the debt of a soul which could only be paid for by eternal labour. The sameness, maybe, is a result of some kind of cultural consolodation,

The sameness you are talking of applies to Christianity and Islam; there are a lot of similarities between the two. However, Hinduism, at heart is also a monotheistic religion, although the picture is more complicated than in Christianity or Islam.

Hinduism postulates one God, which manifests as the Trinity. The two Gods from the Trinity, Vishnu and Mahesh, in turn can manifest themselves into millions of different forms (330 million to be precise). This is a much richer, much more profound, much more complicated picture, and totally different from Christianity and Islam.

Also, Hinduism is not an exclusive religion; it says that there are many paths to salvation. Hinduism lists a few of them, but also says the list is not exclusive. This is a totally different way of thinking than either Christianity or Islam.
 

darkbeaver

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Vereya, I don’t think that is quite right. You are leaving out India, with its one billion population, most of whom are Hindus. Hinduism has a totally different perspective from Christianity or Islam. It is the oldest religion on earth, it was thriving when the Greeks worshipped the ancient Greek Gods, it is thriving today. It has a bright future, India is an upcoming country with great promise, bright future.

In days to come, India will be a force to reckon with, and it supplies a totally different perspective form Christianity and Islam.

In the days to come India will be wracked by devastating war Sir JP. If the bankers prevail that entire region will become a embroiled in the perpetual war already started already with twenty millions dead and twice that numbered poisoned and broken and a hundred times that number waiting in the unborn. Is modern Hinduism the same as it was? I don't think so.
 

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In the days to come India will be wracked by devastating war Sir JP. If the bankers prevail that entire region will become a embroiled in the perpetual war already started already with twenty millions dead and twice that numbered poisoned and broken and a hundred times that number waiting in the unborn. Is modern Hinduism the same as it was? I don't think so.
Check to see if the bankers are giving loans or if they insist ob cash payment only (for weapons and such). That should tell you who they are going to make sure wins.
 

Vereya

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Vereya, I don’t think that is quite right. You are leaving out India, with its one billion population, most of whom are Hindus. Hinduism has a totally different perspective from Christianity or Islam. It is the oldest religion on earth, it was thriving when the Greeks worshipped the ancient Greek Gods, it is thriving today. It has a bright future, India is an upcoming country with great promise, bright future.

In days to come, India will be a force to reckon with, and it supplies a totally different perspective form Christianity and Islam.

I'd really like to see this happen, Sir Joseph!