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Victory for Socialists
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Here in North America, no doubt we get only one perspective. To get another perspective on the issue, we really would have to go to Venezuela and see for ourselves, nobody has time for that.
Sure, Chavez is a loud mouth and comes across as an extremist. However, he is not a dictator, he has not resorted to mass killing of his citizens, he seems to be popular internationally and he does seem to genuinely want to help other nations. I remember he started a charity program in USA, selling heating oil very cheap to the poor. It may have been pure propaganda, but he did do some good in the process.
Anyway, so here we don’t get the other side of the issue. This election result represents the other side.
Well actually you should speak for yourself.
quote:To get another perspective on the issue, we really would have to go to Venezuela and see for ourselves, nobody has time for that.
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The reality is, I have time for that.
I have spent time there.
An old flame is still there.
I have worked there.
I have several friends that used to live there and have since left.
I still have acquaintances living there.
I know several people that still run businesses there.
I still get asked by locals to return there.
So I would politely suggest you stick to speaking for yourself when you make generalizations like the above.
You have no idea whether or not ex or now resident Venezuelans are reading this thread.
That is..unless your psychic.
They do get internet in Venezuela BTW.
Trex
This is from our government, so it's possibly propaganda.
More here: Travel Report for Venezuela
Generally, increased potential for serious public unrest tends to cause investors etc to flee. Increased crime tends to indicate increased poverty. Increased poverty has it's obvious indications.
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Just the beginning of his plan, socialists inherently do not like democracy.
Your so naive.:roll:
No I didn't.
But I do.
They don't.....ask Fidel, Stalin or Hitler.....hey, if you like socialist so much why not move to Cuba or Venezuela or perhaps North Korea is your cup of tea, just keep your hands off my money.
Try, success is more than try.
Perhaps you should use that advice in life instead of blaming everyone else for your failures.
Instead of writing novels on here no one reads perhaps you should get a job.
Eh....wot?:lol:
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I watched a documentary showing much of venezeulias problems last night. It was on pbs.
They have a big problem with crime, and it is increasing, and getting out of control
They interviewed some people on the ground, just regular citizens. They have had a
terrible time personally, their father was a farmer, one day he was missing, then they got
a note demanding a huge amount of money for his return, they had no way of obtaining the
money, and they never saw the father again.
When they interviewed the family, they said there is no help at all from the police or government.
Kidnapping is becoming the crime of the day, holding ransom for money.
They were showing how the people fill containers with gasoline, walk it over the border into
columbia, and sell it for much more than it is worth in their country.
That is done with other goods as well.
The poor are very poor, but that is common in south america and mexico, it is pitiful.
Living conditions for those people is very bad.
They did show Chavez giving a speech and chatting with people in his audience, but he is
very arrogant and loud, and one doesn't have much of a chance to speak his opinion. One
fellow made a mention that 'he' disagreed with, so he hollered and repeated many many times
all over the hall, obviously trying to make the person feel very low. I guess one could call him
a typical politician, in his own way, 'the mouth roars'.
Just sending on what I watched last night, and I sure wouldn't want a loud pushy arrogant man
like him hollering and shouting in a hall full of people, it is a fear tactic, and he sounded
bullyish, but I suppose there is some good in him, I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to argue the point.
They have a big problem with crime, and it is increasing, and getting out of control
They interviewed some people on the ground, just regular citizens. They have had a
terrible time personally, their father was a farmer, one day he was missing, then they got
a note demanding a huge amount of money for his return, they had no way of obtaining the
money, and they never saw the father again.
When they interviewed the family, they said there is no help at all from the police or government.
Kidnapping is becoming the crime of the day, holding ransom for money.
They were showing how the people fill containers with gasoline, walk it over the border into
columbia, and sell it for much more than it is worth in their country.
That is done with other goods as well.
The poor are very poor, but that is common in south america and mexico, it is pitiful.
Living conditions for those people is very bad.
They did show Chavez giving a speech and chatting with people in his audience, but he is
very arrogant and loud, and one doesn't have much of a chance to speak his opinion. One
fellow made a mention that 'he' disagreed with, so he hollered and repeated many many times
all over the hall, obviously trying to make the person feel very low. I guess one could call him
a typical politician, in his own way, 'the mouth roars'.
Just sending on what I watched last night, and I sure wouldn't want a loud pushy arrogant man
like him hollering and shouting in a hall full of people, it is a fear tactic, and he sounded
bullyish, but I suppose there is some good in him, I am not knowledgeable enough on the subject to argue the point.
''growing incidence of violent robberies''
Same thing in the USA. Should we blame Chavez for that as well?
Same thing in the USA. Should we blame Chavez for that as well?
Chavez is proving himself to be an anti-democratic danger to liberty in the nation.....he should not be excused the stifling of the opposition simply because he is a lefty.......
He is a classic example of a South american strongman.....dangerous as a cornered cobra.....treat with caution.
BTW, the murder rate in the USA has dropped dramatically in the last 20 years........
I like Socialism and I like Democracy.... what does that tell you? Gee, I must be one mixed up fella having to decide between the two.
Yeah, I got to be the most naive person in these forums.... cuz you know, I actually take more time out to actually read and scour through all the information that is available, provide the majority of sources and reports in here and actually stay consistant with my views and opinions based on factual evidence then most of the people in these forums..... yeah, I sure am one clueless person.......
.... so what does that make you?
Yes you did.... you attempted to pull something out of your ass that never existed in the first place.... I think they call that chinese food since it goes through the body so fast.
You claimed he tried to take away voter's rights when he did no such thing, nor was there any attempt relating to it. Maybe in some twisted mentality you can try and make some Scooby-Doo Mystery solution connect, but there is no secret treasure under any ammusment park, there is no fancy artifact for them snoopy kids and a mangy dog to figure out here..... because there is no situation that connects to anything you claimed, plain and simple.
He put the unlimited terms to a democratic vote..... they voted it down.... he accepted the decision without incident..... how more damn democratic can you get?
What do we have in Canada? We got politicians who get paid over 100 grand a year to make these decisions without our input..... what a country. :roll:
Now if he put it to a public vote for the people to no longer be able to vote, then you might have something...... but he didn't, and even if he did and they voted for it..... they would have democratically done it to themselves and have only themselves to blame....... that's democracy for you.
Oh, but then you would say he'll just take it away by force or in some other non-democratic way? Well the moment he starts talking about doing that or actually does that, we'll have a little talk about it.... until then, I only go so far with assumptions.
Then stop wasting our time with this crap and actually post something you know.
I might just do that..... but also, just for the hell of it, I'll take your damn money just cuz I know it'll piss you off.
And your generic examples above are lame, as most of them are a mix of Communists and Facists. But hey, whatever works to make you sound like you got a point.....
The real point is that any of these forms of government, including democracy can have a strong pressence of Socialism applied to them and they would still be what they are..... Democratic, Facist or Communist.
If you want to have any useful debate over Socialism, you'd have a better argument using Capitalism.
Do or Do Not, There is No Try.
..... Just as There is No Spoon.
No, I just blame you and ignorant people like you who think they know what they're talking about and so long as they're comfortible in their lives at this very moment, nothing else matters......
I can't wait until the next two years when you and everyone else looses everything you've all worked so hard for like the rest of us..... then you're gonna come whinging and moaning that you're going to need help from other people or you and your poor family are going to starve and die out on the streets, but by then it'll be far too late and nobody will be around to help you because of the situation created by the system you loved so much and then it'll be every man, woman and child for themselves and since you've lived the life of fancy, you'll be more ill-prepared then most and will suffer and die much faster then everyone else.
Such a pitty, I think I'm getting misty eyed.
I already have a job numb nuts, do you think I'm using Gustard's laptop in his dumpster house beside his souped up shopping cart in the alley? Clearly people do read my novels on here, as you just proved it, yet again, by reading and responding to it...... good job in counter-proving your point and sounding more foolish.
By the way, did you have a point in relation to the topic or did you just feel like trying to sound smart today?
WHO'S COOKING WHAT FOR DINNER NOW?!
WHAT????
Yeah, that's what I thought.... k'thnx'g'bye
''the murder rate in the USA has dropped dramatically in the last 20 years........ ''
As always, when it comes to USA issues, Colpy is ALWAYS wrong:
violent crime, murder is UP :
Violent Crime Up, 1st Time In 5 Years, FBI: Murder Up 4.8%, Largest Increase In 15 Years; Crime Overall Up 2.5% - CBS News
Violent crime is up for 2nd year in a row -- but it's still 'at a relative low' - Los Angeles Times
When are you ever going to get your facts straight???
As always, when it comes to USA issues, Colpy is ALWAYS wrong:
violent crime, murder is UP :
Violent Crime Up, 1st Time In 5 Years, FBI: Murder Up 4.8%, Largest Increase In 15 Years; Crime Overall Up 2.5% - CBS News
Violent crime is up for 2nd year in a row -- but it's still 'at a relative low' - Los Angeles Times
When are you ever going to get your facts straight???
I like Socialism and I like Democracy.... what does that tell you? Gee, I must be one mixed up fella having to decide between the two.
Yeah, I got to be the most naive person in these forums.... cuz you know, I actually take more time out to actually read and scour through all the information that is available, provide the majority of sources and reports in here and actually stay consistant with my views and opinions based on factual evidence then most of the people in these forums..... yeah, I sure am one clueless person.......
.... so what does that make you?
Yes you did.... you attempted to pull something out of your ass that never existed in the first place.... I think they call that chinese food since it goes through the body so fast.
You claimed he tried to take away voter's rights when he did no such thing, nor was there any attempt relating to it. Maybe in some twisted mentality you can try and make some Scooby-Doo Mystery solution connect, but there is no secret treasure under any ammusment park, there is no fancy artifact for them snoopy kids and a mangy dog to figure out here..... because there is no situation that connects to anything you claimed, plain and simple.
He put the unlimited terms to a democratic vote..... they voted it down.... he accepted the decision without incident..... how more damn democratic can you get?
What do we have in Canada? We got politicians who get paid over 100 grand a year to make these decisions without our input..... what a country. :roll:
Now if he put it to a public vote for the people to no longer be able to vote, then you might have something...... but he didn't, and even if he did and they voted for it..... they would have democratically done it to themselves and have only themselves to blame....... that's democracy for you.
Oh, but then you would say he'll just take it away by force or in some other non-democratic way? Well the moment he starts talking about doing that or actually does that, we'll have a little talk about it.... until then, I only go so far with assumptions.
Then stop wasting our time with this crap and actually post something you know.
I might just do that..... but also, just for the hell of it, I'll take your damn money just cuz I know it'll piss you off.
And your generic examples above are lame, as most of them are a mix of Communists and Facists. But hey, whatever works to make you sound like you got a point.....
The real point is that any of these forms of government, including democracy can have a strong pressence of Socialism applied to them and they would still be what they are..... Democratic, Facist or Communist.
If you want to have any useful debate over Socialism, you'd have a better argument using Capitalism.
Do or Do Not, There is No Try.
..... Just as There is No Spoon.
No, I just blame you and ignorant people like you who think they know what they're talking about and so long as they're comfortible in their lives at this very moment, nothing else matters......
I can't wait until the next two years when you and everyone else looses everything you've all worked so hard for like the rest of us..... then you're gonna come whinging and moaning that you're going to need help from other people or you and your poor family are going to starve and die out on the streets, but by then it'll be far too late and nobody will be around to help you because of the situation created by the system you loved so much and then it'll be every man, woman and child for themselves and since you've lived the life of fancy, you'll be more ill-prepared then most and will suffer and die much faster then everyone else.
Such a pitty, I think I'm getting misty eyed.
I already have a job numb nuts, do you think I'm using Gustard's laptop in his dumpster house beside his souped up shopping cart in the alley? Clearly people do read my novels on here, as you just proved it, yet again, by reading and responding to it...... good job in counter-proving your point and sounding more foolish.
By the way, did you have a point in relation to the topic or did you just feel like trying to sound smart today?
WHO'S COOKING WHAT FOR DINNER NOW?!
WHAT????
Yeah, that's what I thought.... k'thnx'g'bye
Get a life.:roll:
Eh....wot?
Me Wrong??????
Heaven forbid!
What I said was the murder rate dropped dramatically over the last 20 years....
1988. US population - 245,807,000 Murders - 20,680 rate per 100,000 - 8.4
2007. US population - 301,621,157 Murders - 16,929 rate per 100,000 - 5.6
That's a 33% drop.
That's dramatic.
Apologies accepted in the public forum, or in PMs.
Thank you for your support.
United States Crime Rates 1960 - 2007
Sorry too much for your brain? Couldn't finish what you started?
Good, get back on topic if you got something worthwhile to say, so I can continue telling you that you are wrong.
My life is to make your's ever so sunshiney and to have such a super day...... and maybe, just maybe you might learn something new.
*Gives a big teddy bear Sunshine Hug* You have a wonderful night and a swell morning.
'Thank you for your support'
Are you running for office as a Republican?
most crimes are unreported
And, in fact, people are more reluctant than ever to report crime incidents because it leads to further trouble.
Are you running for office as a Republican?
most crimes are unreported
And, in fact, people are more reluctant than ever to report crime incidents because it leads to further trouble.
''Sure. He has big shoulders. ''
Yeah right.
Canadians would be better off if they paid attention to their own issues just like we Yanks should do.
Yeah right.
Canadians would be better off if they paid attention to their own issues just like we Yanks should do.
:lol:Oh gimme a break!
are you telling me most MURDERS (the only crime we are discussing) go unreported???????
Oh just say it, Gopher......."Gopher was wrong....Gee, Colpy, I'm sorry"
See, I even gave you a script.:lol: