I agree with this completely. I still think, however that now, knowing what Li is capable of, should be in a institution forever, without a "chance to be free" annually. That is NOT justice.
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I agree with this completely. I still think, however that now, knowing what Li is capable of, should be in a institution forever, without a "chance to be free" annually. That is NOT justice.
For sure it isn't a cake walk. Poor Jack N he must have nightmares after filming this. They probably gave him bonus pay for the mental abuse he encountered even though it was just an act.
YouTube - One flew over the cuckoo's nest
Li was free to refuse treatment in 2005, because there was nothing showing he presented a danger to himself or others. Now, he has been shown to present such a danger. As such, he CAN be forced to take his meds, through monthly intramuscular injections. No skipping a pill, etc. No choice. Meds, or back in. There are systems in place for this sort of thing. Li isn't the first mental patient to snap, and he won't be the last.
That's the point shrimpsey. You can't attempt to seek justice by our typical standards, against someone who can't think straight. Conventional ideas of justice go out the window when mental illness and criminal insanity enter the playbook.
And I'm curious. If someone hacked your head off, swung it around for five hours while chopping bits and pieces off of your corpse....
what kind of justice could you ever expect? Do you think ANYthing that happens to Li will feel like justice to his haunted family?
Ok, so he is forced to take his meds, people withthis level of psycosis need their meds altered, and changed as after a time, they start to not work the same. I have worked with numerous mentally ill patients. One for instance - one of my clients, in an institution, on his meds, was totally fine, and to the average person, you would think was fine, grabbed a knife and threatened to kill me. He had to be sent back to the hospital and have his meds re-adjusted before he returned to our INSTITUTION. If Li is out, who is going to be their 24/7 to make sure his meds don't need to be re-adjusted, or just wait until he snaps again. In my opinion, someone capable of doing what he did should never be allowed out again period. Would you want him as your neighbour Karee??
Another point, there are allot of people in our country who are schizophrenic that do not commit murder, he is a murderer, he needs to be institutionalized for life.(Or sent back to his country and they can deal with him)
I'm kind of curious to hear in what capacity you have worked with numerous "mentally ill patients"....
This is the sticking point of living in a country with a criminal system that's built on the concept of rehabilitation, rather than lifelong incarceration. Yes... these people need to be released back into the communities. And in order for them to actually rehabilitate, yes, people have to be willing to have them as neighbours. Would I want him as mine? Not especially. Is he any more dangerous than the people I have living next door right now? Not necessarily. All that living next door to him would do is remove a false sense of security.
He wasn't walking the streets as a free man when it happened talloola. If you've ever met anyone who lives with schizophrenia, you'll see they're a prisoner to it. He may be released one day. But he will be monitored, injected, subjected to continual tests and pills. He will be a research subject, a journal paper, a pin cushion. And when his meds are good, he will be tortured by what he did. And when they're not good, he'll return to being locked up in his own terrors.
It's very sad and pitiful, I agree, a horrible way to live.
"And when his meds aren't good", what might happen, another murder?
What about the protection of the public.
I'm quite certain that Li will receive some pretty stringent monitoring as condition of his release. No one's going to just shrug off what he did when it comes time to consider releasing him.
Umm....no. If Mr. Li is still in the immigration process, then yes he
would be deported upon release from incarceration. If Mr. Li has
completed the immigration process, then he's a Canadian citizen and
Canada would be where he stays.
Sorry Shrimpsey, but I won't be signing a petition to criminally prosecute
anyone who is not responsible for their actions at the time that a crime
was committed.
I, too, am a parent....so I think I understand part of where you're coming
from. I understand your outrage, but not your rational. Welcome to Canadian
Content Shrimpsey and I look forward to debating you on other issues. My
sticking-point is trying to be objective when it comes to blatant corruption and
incompetence in some of our Law Enforcement and Civil Servants. I try to be
objective on that topic but don't always succeed as the topic is a bit close to
home at times. If that's what's happening here for you, I have empathy for you,
but it still doesn't change the fact that Mr. Li just wasn't responsible for his
actions at the time of that gruesome homicide.
Any petition signed now might ... repeat MIGHT ... be considered for some future thing. Li's case has already been decided. He can't be tried twice for the same offence without a lot of new evidence and he can only be sentenced by the laws in effect that day.
Swamp land in Toronto? Would I also get the mineral rights? I've
heard rumors of some interesting hydrocarbon deposits with
respect to some marshland in your neck of the woods. 8O
Not sure if you can but if it's possible and I knew how, I'd probably be a psychiatrist.