I heard just now on CNN, that all McDonald arches will be dimmed between 8:30 and 9:30 all over North America. Way to go, McDonald.
Earth Hour: Turn Off the Lights!
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By the way, this started in New Zealand. Need we say more??
What’s the problem with New Zealand, Yukon Jack? You got anything against New Zealand? It is a progressive, liberal country like Canada (New Zealand was the first country in the world to give women the vote). If I couldn’t live in Canada, Australia or New Zealand would be my second choice.
What’s the problem with New Zealand, Yukon Jack? You got anything against New Zealand? It is a progressive, liberal country like Canada (New Zealand was the first country in the world to give women the vote). If I couldn’t live in Canada, Australia or New Zealand would be my second choice.
Re #39.
Do CO2 molecules in the atmosphere care if they were put there by where the per capita more or less than elsewhere?
India and China are up and coming countries, according to the post. So, let us suppose that about one third or so of both countries' population attained the comfortable middle-class level of wealth that here in North America we enjoy. That number then would be twice as high as than the total population of Canada and the U.S. And since they are on the same economic level, why should they not turn off their lights?
So, "load shedding" notwithstanding, if the well to do in India and China turned their lights off it would do more for the environment than the combined Canada and United States effort.
Do CO2 molecules in the atmosphere care if they were put there by where the per capita more or less than elsewhere?
India and China are up and coming countries, according to the post. So, let us suppose that about one third or so of both countries' population attained the comfortable middle-class level of wealth that here in North America we enjoy. That number then would be twice as high as than the total population of Canada and the U.S. And since they are on the same economic level, why should they not turn off their lights?
So, "load shedding" notwithstanding, if the well to do in India and China turned their lights off it would do more for the environment than the combined Canada and United States effort.
Sorry, Yukon Jack, Indians do their part every day (and I assume so do Chinese though I don’t know that). What earth hour is doing is telling the spoiled rotten people of developed world to experience for one hour what people in third world country experience every day (many of them don’t even have electricity).
I don’t think it is too much to do (well I suppose for a rabid anti-environmentalist, it is).
I don’t think it is too much to do (well I suppose for a rabid anti-environmentalist, it is).
Re #45.
So we are spoiled rotten?
DID somebody GIVE the Western World its richness and prosperity? Did somebody grant the Western World all the tools to achieve wealth, while denying it to India and China and the rest of the so-called "developing" world?
The United States and Canada have been in existence for less than 250 years. India and China have been there for thousands of years. Why are they just DEVELOPING?
My heart aches for the poor people who have no electricity. Blame their corrupt leaders who have been corrupt for centuries.
And tell THEM to turn off their lights.
So we are spoiled rotten?
DID somebody GIVE the Western World its richness and prosperity? Did somebody grant the Western World all the tools to achieve wealth, while denying it to India and China and the rest of the so-called "developing" world?
The United States and Canada have been in existence for less than 250 years. India and China have been there for thousands of years. Why are they just DEVELOPING?
My heart aches for the poor people who have no electricity. Blame their corrupt leaders who have been corrupt for centuries.
And tell THEM to turn off their lights.
What does this scolding have to do with my question? I asked if you were including India and China in your population of one billion, most of the world, most of the developed world, etc etc etc. You don't post. You hoax. Typically, you start a thread and have multiple iterations of what you lead off with, depending upon how you're questioned.
So we are spoiled rotten?
Yukon Jack, sure many of them are spoiled rotten. Many of them have never ventured out of North America. Even if they have they may have been to a resort in Mexico or at most Western Europe. They have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world.
In spite of that, many of them have surprisingly enlightened attitude. Many in USA and Canada care about the environment, about conservation, about reducing greenhouse gases.
Then there are rabid anti-environmentalists, who couldn’t give a damn as to what happens to the environment. I suppose it is pointless to tell them to do anything that will even remotely smack of saving the environment.
So this thread is really directed towards those who care about environment, to make them aware of the earth hour. As to those who don’t (like you), well, they may wish to go in the other direction, and keep more lights on than usual.
Yukon Jack, sure many of them are spoiled rotten. Many of them have never ventured out of North America. Even if they have they may have been to a resort in Mexico or at most Western Europe. They have no idea what is happening in the rest of the world.
In spite of that, many of them have surprisingly enlightened attitude. Many in USA and Canada care about the environment, about conservation, about reducing greenhouse gases.
Then there are rabid anti-environmentalists, who couldn’t give a damn as to what happens to the environment. I suppose it is pointless to tell them to do anything that will even remotely smack of saving the environment.
So this thread is really directed towards those who care about environment, to make them aware of the earth hour. As to those who don’t (like you), well, they may wish to go in the other direction, and keep more lights on than usual.
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What does this scolding have to do with my question?
RanchHand, this has everything to do with the question. You asked why aren’t India and China participating in earth hour. And I gave a very satisfactory response as to why not (I notice you didn’t have any comeback for that).
Asking India or China to participate in earth hour would be like asking the man who can only afford to eat one meal a day to skip one meal a day, to see what it would feel like going without food. He does that every day and he doesn’t need any lessons in what it is like to go without food.
Similarly, it is nonsense to ask India and China to observe earth hour, they observe several earth hours every day.
RanchHand, this has everything to do with the question. You asked why aren’t India and China participating in earth hour. And I gave a very satisfactory response as to why not (I notice you didn’t have any comeback for that).
Asking India or China to participate in earth hour would be like asking the man who can only afford to eat one meal a day to skip one meal a day, to see what it would feel like going without food. He does that every day and he doesn’t need any lessons in what it is like to go without food.
Similarly, it is nonsense to ask India and China to observe earth hour, they observe several earth hours every day.
"An American or a Canadian switching off lights for one hour saves much more energy than an Indian or a Chinese switching it off for one hour."
Absolutely correct. A 60 watt bulb consumes far more electrical energy in North America than in Asia.
Must be due to the exchange rate.
Absolutely correct. A 60 watt bulb consumes far more electrical energy in North America than in Asia.
Must be due to the exchange rate.
Earth hour.... Everybody hold their breath for an hour because water vapour makes up 60% of greenhouse gasses....
Water vapour - A greenhouse gas
Water vapour - A greenhouse gas
"Asking India or China to participate in earth hour would be like asking the man who can only afford to eat one meal a day to skip one meal a day, to see what it would feel like going without food. He does that every day and he doesn’t need any lessons in what it is like to go without food."
NO IT IS NOT!!
Those in India or China who have electricity, (you know those who are as rich or richer than you) can turn off their lights just as easily as anyone here.
Pretending otherwise is just politically correct nonsense, no doubt, widely popular in New Zealand.
NO IT IS NOT!!
Those in India or China who have electricity, (you know those who are as rich or richer than you) can turn off their lights just as easily as anyone here.
Pretending otherwise is just politically correct nonsense, no doubt, widely popular in New Zealand.
While it's a struggle for some people in the world, for those of us in Canada it's a fun way to collectively get our minds on the way we use energy. Why does it have to boil down to the person in dire need being forced to do exactly the wrong thing as a way to beat the rest of us with guilt?
Turn off the lights for an hour, it won't hurt you. Those who can't join in carry on with my blessings. I'll get my jacket on, smoke a joint and sit on the balcony playing my accoustic for an hour.
I'm sure that both you and I will enjoy hour I'm off the computer. :lol:
Turn off the lights for an hour, it won't hurt you. Those who can't join in carry on with my blessings. I'll get my jacket on, smoke a joint and sit on the balcony playing my accoustic for an hour.
I'm sure that both you and I will enjoy hour I'm off the computer. :lol:
SirJosephPorter, you are crafty enough not to call me, personally, a "rabid anti-environmentalist", but I wonder, because you used that term in reply (#39 and #48) to my posts.
I outlined in post #37 what I do day-in and day-out, 12 months a year every day for the environment.
For the simple fact that I don't subscribe to a firefly-like, flash-in-the-pan New Zealand inspired, politically correct nonsense, you imply that I and those who think as I do are "rabid anti-environmentalists".
I assume you will sit in darkness for an hour. That is your choice. But please tell me, besides that sacrifice, do you do at least as much as I do day-in and day-out?
I outlined in post #37 what I do day-in and day-out, 12 months a year every day for the environment.
For the simple fact that I don't subscribe to a firefly-like, flash-in-the-pan New Zealand inspired, politically correct nonsense, you imply that I and those who think as I do are "rabid anti-environmentalists".
I assume you will sit in darkness for an hour. That is your choice. But please tell me, besides that sacrifice, do you do at least as much as I do day-in and day-out?
Turning off your Low-Wattage High-Efficiency florescent bulbs
in your house for an hour while you sit in front of your power
gobbling TV's and Computers will show your solidarity for the
Cause that this Earth Hour represents. I wonder how much power
a furnace in Canada in March gobbles (electricity & Natural Gas
both)? Just curious....
This'll could a quiet place tonight for that hour if the people serious
about Earth Day turn off their computers for that hour. The handful
of people left here might get lonely....or maybe not so much. I curious
to see who'll be online at that time. 8O
in your house for an hour while you sit in front of your power
gobbling TV's and Computers will show your solidarity for the
Cause that this Earth Hour represents. I wonder how much power
a furnace in Canada in March gobbles (electricity & Natural Gas
both)? Just curious....
This'll could a quiet place tonight for that hour if the people serious
about Earth Day turn off their computers for that hour. The handful
of people left here might get lonely....or maybe not so much. I curious
to see who'll be online at that time. 8O
I think you are loosing it. You're responding to my post where I am telling you I did not ask the question you answered by answering the question again. In a generic sense, in other words not a moral sense, it's dishonest for you to continue posting like you do.
Some people can join in within either country. Not like everyone lives in a hut you know.
Yukon Jack, for your information, 60 watt bulb are a luxury in India and China, 25 watt being much more common. For one thing, rooms are smaller, and 25 watt bulb is enough for illumination. For another it is much cheaper to run than a 60 watt bulb.
Really, try to find out more about the rest of the world before you comment on it, you apparently have no idea what goes on in the third word. Even though an immigrant, you represent a typical Canadian or American, ignorant about what goes on outside North America. Try to visit India or China if you can, try to befriend Indians or Chinese. Then you will have a better idea of what goes on outside North America.