CNN, Shocked: There Are No US Troops in Haiti!

Kakato

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.... well no need to cover all the details.

That par for the course,maybe it would give you some credibility if you did.

I'll start for ya,it was a whopping 300 commandos and I wonder why.

1915 wasnt it?

To further the reasons for intervention, the Haitian government had been receiving large loans from both American and French banks over the past few decades and were growing increasingly incapable in fulfilling their debt repayment.
 

DurkaDurka

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I lol`ed today when I heard on the radio our nazi in charge said Canada will be donating 5 million....perhaps to rebuild the Palace that got damaged?:roll:

That's the initial donation, without knowing the scope of the damage and what is needed pledging more would be pointless.

Why don't you drag your unemployed arse down there and help, you seem to have all sorts of time to post your dribble, put your misplaced energies towards something. :smile:
 

ironsides

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You only need the runway to land and take-off, does this mean no air-lifts until they rebuild a radio tower??

In the 15 years since the US invaded what economic milestones has Haiti passed, I have a tendency to thing there hasn't been any, in fact things were probably even worse.


Not much.


The airport is sort of open now, the Coast Guard set up a temporary control tower, probably a more permanent one will be built or power restarted to airport by today.

Haiti: History — Infoplease.com


Left to their own there can be no economic independence, Haitians have destroyed their resources and without charity cannot survive in that location. It was a doomed venture from the start. I would like to see all Haitians moved to the U.S. or any country of their choice that will accept them and what is now known as Haiti turned into a park managed by the Dominican Republic.



Why Haiti keeps getting hammered by disasters - Yahoo! News


Haiti has 8.7 million inhabitants. Far to many people.


weather : news headlines - weather.com Haiti: Population, People, Economy, Government




 

MHz

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That par for the course,maybe it would give you some credibility if you did.

I'll start for ya,it was a whopping 300 commandos and I wonder why.

1915 wasnt it?
Who cares if it was 30, they used their weapons against the citizens of that country solely to prop up the interests of the US.

You sure you want to go back that far ... so be it.

"The Bush Administration claims it sent Marines into Haiti in late February not to intervene in the overthrow of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide but to protect the U.S. Embassy against a possible rebel attack.

The Guardian newspaper in London gave an overview of the country on its 200th anniversary, looking back on 13 coups and 19 years of American occupation, and looking forward to more bloodshed and instability. Haiti’s political class must bear its share of responsibility for where they go from here. Western powers, particularly France and the United States, must also take responsibility for how they got into this parlous place to begin with.

From 1804 until 1864, the United States refused to give diplomatic recognition to the world’s first independent black republic, fearful Haiti might set an example for the enslaved African population in the South.

The Guardian says that ever since Haitian slaves gained national independence, Western powers attempted to strangle its democracy and quash its prosperity.

In 1802 Napoleon Bonaparte sent 22,000 soldiers to Haiti to stop a slave rebellion and recapture the plantations that once made it an economic giant. Napoleon said that the recognition of the freedom of the slaves would be a “rallying point for freedom-seekers of the New World.”

The United States backed France in ordering Haiti to pay 150 million francs in gold to compensate for the costs of the war it won. In return, Haiti would supposedly be granted international recognition. Repayment locked Haiti into the role of a debtor nation –where it remains today.

Beginning in 1850, U.S. warships remained almost a constant in Haitian waters for 60 years. According to historians, this pattern of gunboat diplomacy led to the first U.S. occupation of Haiti, which began in 1915 and lasted 19 years.

The U.S. invasion and occupation was sparked by the fall of the Haitian president at the time. A pro-government general ordered the execution of 163 political prisoners and caused a popular uprising against the landed elite.

The United States declared the Haitian people unfit to rule themselves. Americans seized land and created an army and police force, specialists in preventing revolt and protecting American capital.

Paul Farmer, author of The Uses of Haiti, describes how Francois “Papa Doc” Duvalier emerged in 1957 and organized a society of terror that received U.S. military assistance.

Farmer says, “During his first four –and bloodiest—years in power, Papa Doc received $40 million from Washington, much of it in the form of outright gifts. The U.S. even went so far as to send Marines to protect this regime from any popular movement that might threaten its rule.”

When Baby Doc took over upon the death of his father, he hired public relations firms to help sell his regime’s legitimacy to the people of the world.

In February 1986, a massive rebellion or “flood” of poor people, who became known as the “Lavalas,” ended almost 30 years of pro-American dictatorship. Baby Doc left the country on an American cargo plane. The overthrow led to three more un-elected presidents.

In 1990, Haiti held a national democratic election, and Priest Jean-Bertrand Aristide won the presidency with 70 percent of the votes. Aristide created literacy programs and began to make democratic reforms.

In 1991 to counter the reforms, the military stormed Aristide’s residence. The military set up the Frappe death squads that murdered over 1,500 people.

With thousands of Haitian refugees fleeing the island, President George H.W. Bush enacted a trade embargo against Haiti.

President Bill Clinton would later complain of America’s leaking borders and strengthen the blockade against the refugees.

In 1994, Clinton ordered American forces to intervene to “protect American interests and stop the brutal atrocities that threaten tens of thousands of Haitians”.

The Administration drew up a plan creating a new Haitian police force and restoring Aristide to power. Perhaps because he threatened U.S. interests, Aristide’s return to power was limited to finishing the last year of his term of office. Nevertheless, he dissolved the armed forces that for generations had backed the tiny Haitian elite.

Haiti law prevented Aristide from running for a consecutive term. A story in the magazine of the North American Council on Latin America chronicled the growth of the cocaine traffic through Haiti from 1998.

Aristide won re-election in 2000. Another NACLA story described the divisions within the populist Lavalas movement and the rise of political opposition of middle class blacks in favor of making economic concessions to end the blockade of Western investment. The opposition protested against electoral violations in a dozen parliamentary seats.

An armed faction funded by the U.S.-based International Republican Institute mounted cross-border raids from the Dominican Republic on the Spanish-speaking side of the island. When insurrectionary force estimated at under 200 men invaded, the United States refused requests from the Aristide government to provide military support.

Aristide’s presidency ended on Feb. 29 when U.S. uniformed personnel removed him from the presidential residence at gunpoint and flew him to the Central African Republic. The mainstream U.S. media presented U.S. military presence as a mission to prevent bloodshed."

History of U.S. Intervention in Haiti
 

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The US did, bragging about how good their commandos were doing (sanitized version), then the unauthorized stories and films started to get out and (not so noble) .... well no need to cover all the details. Aid is nice things for the people, invasion only brings bombs and missiles and combat troops with their weapons.


"The US did, bragging about how good their commandos were doing (sanitized version), then the unauthorized stories and films started to get out and (not so noble) .... well no need to cover all the details. Aid is nice things for the people, invasion only brings bombs and missiles and combat troops with their weapons."

Me thinks you are lying again, commandos in not a word the U.S. would use. How about a little proof, no forget it, that is something your incapable of doing. The U.S. has no interest in Haiti except to maintain that it has a Democratically elected goverment. What ever economic support it gets is from us, I don't see any other country rushing to maintain their existence. (not talking about the current crisis)
 
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Yes....the US invasion of Haiti. It was huge. I'm surprised you missed it Kakato. :lol:
 

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The US did, bragging about how good their commandos were doing (sanitized version), then the unauthorized stories and films started to get out and (not so noble) .... well no need to cover all the details. Aid is nice things for the people, invasion only brings bombs and missiles and combat troops with their weapons.

As Ironsides pointed out...we do not call our Special Forces "commandos".

But I would like to see some of these unauthorized films of US Special Forces during the invasion of Haiti. It ought to be interesting.

Did we conduct secret bombings on Haiti as well? :roll:
 

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Yes....the US invasion of Haiti. It was huge. I'm surprised you missed it Kakato. :lol:
The body count was probably below his minimum. After all the list below has been reduced to 300 commandos.

"At Shelton’s insistence, the forcible entry option made use of overwhelming force.
Five entire battalions of paratroopers, traveling on 60 C-130 and 45 C-141 transport planes, were to take over 41 different targets in Port-au-Prince, the capital, and Cap Haïtien in the north. With 8,000 paratroopers, this was the largest U.S. airborne operation since World War II. Marines would simultaneously launch an amphibious attack against Cap Haïtien, while AC-130 Specter planes towered overhead.
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Adm. Paul David Miller made the radically novel suggestion that two aircraft carriers, the USS America and the USS Eisenhower, be entirely stripped of their planes (there was no Haitian air force to speak of) and transformed into landing pads from which helicopters could quickly ferry troops in and out of Haiti.
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Within days, the force was to peak at 20,000 troops, equipped with everything from helicopter gun ships to heavy M-2 Bradley tanks, to face a mere 7,000 Haitians. The military overkill was designed to limit casualties on both sides by reducing the entire invasion to a swift night assault. Americans would control all the country’s strategic locations before the Haitian Army even woke up. "

http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Girard%20Philippe%20R.pdf?acc_num=ohiou1035828999
 
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EagleSmack

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The body count was probably below his minimum. After all the list below has been reduced to 300 commandos.

"At Shelton’s insistence, the forcible entry option made use of overwhelming force.
Five entire battalions of paratroopers, traveling on 60 C-130 and 45 C-141 transport planes, were to take over 41 different targets in Port-au-Prince, the capital, and Cap Haïtien in the north. With 8,000 paratroopers, this was the largest U.S. airborne operation since World War
II. Marines would simultaneously launch an amphibious attack against Cap Haïtien, while AC-130 Specter planes towered overhead.
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Adm. Paul David Miller made the radically novel suggestion that two aircraft carriers, the USS America and the USS Eisenhower, be entirely stripped of their planes (there was no Haitian air force to speak of) and transformed into landing pads from which helicopters could quickly ferry troops in and out of Haiti.
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Within days, the force was to peak at 20,000 troops, equipped with everything from helicopter gun ships to heavy M-2 Bradley tanks, to face a mere 7,000 Haitians. The military overkill was designed to limit casualties on both sides by reducing the entire invasion to a swift night assault. Americans would control all the country’s strategic locations before the Haitian Army even woke up. "

http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Girard Philippe R.pdf?acc_num=ohiou1035828999

Oh so there really wasn't an invasion...it just sounded better than stating facts.

So we sent 300.

THE 300

THIS IS SPAAAAAARTAAAAAAA!
 

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Apparently these words means something else in your world, "the forcible entry option".
Odd thing about invasions, the view is quite different depending on which end of the weapons is closer to your face. So whild you may joke about death and destruction coming to certain people you will probably be pissing your pants if/when it comes your way.

NEWS FLASH... there was no invasion.
 

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Because he refused to respond to the US Invasion of Haiti...that never was?
I never took you to be a sheeple before, apparenbtly it has affected you ability to understand simple terms, like this one...."by reducing the entire invasion to a swift night assault."
 

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Because he refused to respond to the US Invasion of Haiti...that never was?

It was invaded and economically enslaved a long long time ago. Your country was a powerful conquering nation built on blood and bones just like all empires. It's your choice to see it as Camelot, don't expect me to. I guess you already don't and I don't really have to tell you anything. But for the millions of readers who tune in to catch your stuff it will be of assistance. Hurricane Katrina proved the nations fundemental hate for it's own citizens. That message was not wasted.