Zimmerman charged with Trayvon murder

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No, it doesn't.

It necessitates stopping whatever action they are taking that is a threat to you. If that means shooting, you shoot, and keep shooting until the threat is stopped.

Whether they die in the process is completely irrelevant.

Zimmerman was in danger of serious bodily harm, as far as we know. He fired one shot.

That is well within the parameters of reasonable self-defense.

Well there is a lot more to it than that. Whether he provoked the incident has some bearing, even if it doesn't rule out self defense. Obviously there is some injustice if I just start a fight and then, reasonably fearing for my safety, shoot the person.

Further, there is the question of proportionality. If someone is slamming your head into a curb after you approached them to ask what they were doing then you reasonably fear for your life enough to shoot. On the other hand if a person I started a fight with is just punching me and I fall down cutting my head open, and they bend down to lift me back to my feet, I might be in danger of a concussion but shooting a person is likely a step too far.

Self defense is not a blank check to use whatever force an individual chooses to stop the danger present to them. You seem to have come to one conclusion given your partial view of the evidence and judged that Trayvon Martin was committing aggravated assault which necessitated Zimmerman using lethal force. But there are two people who get the presumption of innocence here. The special prosecutor had a view to much more evidence than all of us, and has come to the conclusion that a trial is prudent. Lets hope she didn't base her decision on politics, at the very least.
 

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Did you scan through Stormfront pages too?

The article certainly has no proof of any of the innuendo it contains.

However, it is hardly a hate-filled Stormfront rant.

And it might provide a little counter-weight to the BS put out by the MSM........you know, the pics of Trayvon when he was 12.........etc.
 

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Yep.

Read this: Pay SPECIAL attention to the pics.......

Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

Trayvon was 17, 6'3, 170 lbs, extensively tattooed, and had his bottom teeth gold capped..........

Not quite the choir-boy image.

Read on...................

Ok, I think the characterizations of the individuals are complete red herrings to begin with. In what way does a drug dealer deserve less justice than a choir boy? In what way does a quasi-ex-con deserve less justice than a respected neighbourhood watchman?

Justice is supposed to be blind, after all. Don't let any of this nonsense waste space in your brain.
 

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Ok, I think the characterizations of the individuals are complete red herrings to begin with. In what way does a drug dealer deserve less justice than a choir boy? In what way does a quasi-ex-con deserve less justice than a respected neighbourhood watchman?

Justice is supposed to be blind, after all. Don't let any of this nonsense waste space in your brain.

Absolutely!

Except that the MSM would have believe that Zimmerman, a mad-dog, white, racist vigilante without security responsibilities, uttered racist slurs and ran down a sweet, kind, choir boy black child and shot him dead in cold blood.

The public's perception of the individuals involved is important.

And Zimmerman, who is NOT white, was legally armed, had security responsibilities, and did NOT run Martin to ground, is being railroaded in the media.
 

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Absolutely!

Except that the MSM would have believe that Zimmerman, a mad-dog, white, racist vigilante without security responsibilities, uttered racist slurs and ran down a sweet, kind, choir boy black child and shot him dead in cold blood.

The public's perception of the individuals involved is important.

And Zimmerman, who is NOT white, was legally armed, had security responsibilities, and did NOT run Martin to ground, is being railroaded in the media.

Yeah, I saw some other race related violence survey recently. There, they lumped hispanics in with whites... so, who knows.

In this particular case, I am looking forward to see the facts separated from the chaff. It will be a real shame if the trial was just done to make some people happy.
 

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Most of this crap is speculation and manufactured (or not) racism from various camps.

What it comes down to is the eyewitness(es) that say Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating on him.

If true, case closed. Innocent.
 

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And the insanity continues.


Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case





Maywood, Ill. - Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.
Hayes and a 15-year-old Chicago boy walked up behind the 19-year-old man victim and pinned his arms to his side, police said. Hayes, 18, then picked up a large tree branch, pointed it at the man and said, “Empty your pockets, white boy.”


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Alton Hayes III | Suspect: I Beat Up White Man Because I Am Mad About Trayvon Martin Case
 

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You made that claim. I never did and if you could tie me to that claim you would quote me word for word but you can't because I never said it did I?
I already showed where, in post #114.

Maybe your attempts at pretending to be the Riddler backfired on you. Who knows, who cares. Your consternation is telling, and incredibly funny.
 
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Interesting interview on CBC Radio this morning..........short, but it turns out that Zimmerman's lawyer put the State Investigator on the stand during the bail hearing, and had him admit to two things:

1. There is NO evidence so far to indicate who attacked who.

2. Zimmerman's injuries are consistent with a man having his head bashed against concrete.

That is why a murder suspect gets bail for 150,000 bucks.

The State has no case.
 

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‘Justice for Trayvon’: Alabama Man in Critical Condition After Mob Beating



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Mobile police need your help to catch a mob that beat Matthew Owens so badly that he’s in critical condition.

According to police, Owens fussed at some kids playing basketball in the middle of Delmar Drive about 8:30 Saturday night. They say the kids left and a group of adults returned, armed with everything but the kitchen sink.

Police tell News 5 the suspects used chairs, pipes and paint cans to beat Owens.
Owens’ sister, Ashley Parker, saw the attack. “It was the scariest thing I have ever witnessed.” Parker says 20 people, all African American, attacked her brother on the front porch of his home, using “brass buckles, paint cans and anything they could get their hands on.”

What Parker says happened next could make the fallout from the brutal beating even worse. As the attackers walked away, leaving Owen bleeding on the ground, Parker says one of them said “Now thats justice for Trayvon.”

‘Justice for Trayvon’: Alabama Man in Critical Condition After Mob Beating | Matthew Owens | Mobile | Video | TheBlaze.com
 

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The rabble rousing "Reverends":roll: bear responsibility for that!!!


I am quite sure...that the appropriate 'community organizers' will speak out against these recent episodes of loose screwery. Surely they will. Surely.
 

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Trayvon vs Zimmerman: Mainstream Media Weapon of Mass Distraction



Interview with Infowars.com writer Patrick Henningsen who discusses where the Trayvon Martin vs. George Zimmerman case is really heading, and explains the mass psychology behind America’s mainstream media news cycle. Henningsen also explains how the White House’s Saul Alinski cadres are fomenting a new race war in 2012. As the MSM deploys local news stories of murder as ‘national distractions’, the US media continues to divert attention away from other, more important events that could affect the day to day lives of every American


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