Wynnetario to reverse Tories Draconian Labour Laws

tay

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I don't really care why Wynne and Trump have the same economic ideas. The fact is, they do.
Based on all the goodies coming out of Wynne for the average worker, and if they are enacted before the next election, I'd say her proposals are polar opposite to The Donalds......


With the Ontario government seriously considering raising the minimum wage thanks to the tireless organizing efforts of the $15 and Fairness campaign, the labour movement and thousands of supporters, the business lobby is out fear-mongering in force. Here is a tool for the rest of us to fight back. It’s a collection of 5 myths and facts about raising the minimum wage:

MYTH #1: Raising the minimum wage will cost low-wage workers their jobs.

FACT: There is resounding evidence that raising the minimum wage is not a job-killer. Economists doing cutting-edge studies have found that the typical minimum wage increase does not cause overall job loss. “Job loss is more of a threat than a theory.” For instance, the threat that robots will take our jobs has been made for over 200 years and full-time work is still 40 hours a week or more! The argument that jobs will be shipped offshore fails similarly. As much as business tries, it’s not yet possible to move a barista job halfway around the world. There are still so many jobs that require human labour.

A $15 minimum wage would pump billions of dollars into the pockets of low-wage workers and thus the Ontario economy. Jobs would be created as a result of the new economic activity, compensating for losses incurred by businesses that can only function on poverty wages. As the minimum wage goes up, workers become more valuable to businesses and jobs generally get better. Economists have found that when the minimum wage rises workers get more training and there is less turnover. Businesses put more energy into raising efficiency rather than keeping tabs on workers in poverty. And wages tend to become more equal: wages for managers and other high-paid workers don’t go up as much and businesses spend proportionately more on the lowest-paid.

Most importantly, potential job losses are not the only thing we should care about when the minimum wage goes up. Less poverty, better jobs, higher incomes for the lowest-paid — all of these would far outweigh the impact of a minimal job loss even if it was to happen.

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The $15 minimum wage is good: busting business lobby myths – Michal Rozworski
 

Musky

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Wynne.....buh bye.

If you vote Liberal in the next election you are....well....dumb....beyond belief.

The most corrupt obtuse government to ever hold office in Ontario's history.
 

taxslave

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Based on all the goodies coming out of Wynne for the average worker, and if they are enacted before the next election, I'd say her proposals are polar opposite to The Donalds......


With the Ontario government seriously considering raising the minimum wage thanks to the tireless organizing efforts of the $15 and Fairness campaign, the labour movement and thousands of supporters, the business lobby is out fear-mongering in force. Here is a tool for the rest of us to fight back. It’s a collection of 5 myths and facts about raising the minimum wage:

MYTH #1: Raising the minimum wage will cost low-wage workers their jobs.

FACT: There is resounding evidence that raising the minimum wage is not a job-killer. Economists doing cutting-edge studies have found that the typical minimum wage increase does not cause overall job loss. “Job loss is more of a threat than a theory.” For instance, the threat that robots will take our jobs has been made for over 200 years and full-time work is still 40 hours a week or more! The argument that jobs will be shipped offshore fails similarly. As much as business tries, it’s not yet possible to move a barista job halfway around the world. There are still so many jobs that require human labour.

A $15 minimum wage would pump billions of dollars into the pockets of low-wage workers and thus the Ontario economy. Jobs would be created as a result of the new economic activity, compensating for losses incurred by businesses that can only function on poverty wages. As the minimum wage goes up, workers become more valuable to businesses and jobs generally get better. Economists have found that when the minimum wage rises workers get more training and there is less turnover. Businesses put more energy into raising efficiency rather than keeping tabs on workers in poverty. And wages tend to become more equal: wages for managers and other high-paid workers don’t go up as much and businesses spend proportionately more on the lowest-paid.

Most importantly, potential job losses are not the only thing we should care about when the minimum wage goes up. Less poverty, better jobs, higher incomes for the lowest-paid — all of these would far outweigh the impact of a minimal job loss even if it was to happen.

all five

The $15 minimum wage is good: busting business lobby myths – Michal Rozworski

Totally neglecting the trickle up effect from all those now making $12-18. They will expect a similar raise as will the next group up and so on causing a significant raise in inflation and more immediately a loss of manufacturing jobs and small business bankruptcies.
 

tay

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Totally neglecting the trickle up effect from all those now making $12-18. They will expect a similar raise as will the next group up and so on causing a significant raise in inflation and more immediately a loss of manufacturing jobs and small business bankruptcies.
Well with a lower minimum wage, no benefits, no pensions, manufacturing jobs have left.

How about the CEO's make $9 million a year instead of $10 or set Trade Laws so that manufacturers can't flee to countries with corrupt governments who let their citizens work for 50 cents an hour.....?


Precarious work is the scourge of our time. Ontario Premier Kathleen Wynne promises to do something about it. We shall see what.
Wynne says she’ll base her actions on a wide-ranging report released this week. That Changing Workplaces Review is hardly radical. It makes 173 largely common-sense recommendations to update Ontario’s workplace laws.

It is not clear that it goes far enough.

The problems of precarious work are well-known. Full-time jobs are no longer the norm. Neither is stable employment.

Those entering the labour force 40 years ago had a good shot at unionized jobs with good wages plus reasonable benefits and pensions. Those starting work today can count on none of these.

Instead, modern employees are likely to juggle multiple, part-time, low-wage jobs. Their schedules tend to be impossibly erratic, subject to change at the employer’s whim. Among other things, this limits their ability to search out better jobs

More often than not, they are treated not as employees at all but as self-employed independent contractors who, by Ontario law, are not eligible for vacation pay or overtime.

Employers get an extra bonus from such “independents” in that they need not pay Employment Insurance or Canada Pension Plan premiums on their behalf.

While the ultimate cause of precarious work lies in the globalized economy, governments can take mitigating measures to ease the pain.

To its credit, the Ontario workplaces review takes a hard look at two such measures -

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/com...int-for-attacking-precarious-work-walkom.html
 

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Liberal promises aren't going to ave them this time. Unless Patrick Brown is allowed to speak. He promises all sorts of things, but proposes no solutions.

It will be a contest of the Wicked Witch of the West vs the Wicked Witch of the East.

That will be a sh!t show to watch.
 

tay

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Ontario is raising the minimum paid vacation from two weeks annually to three for all workers with five or more years at the same job, says Premier Kathleen Wynne.

Wynne told the Star the change is part of sweeping labour reforms being announced Tuesday at Queen’s Park that will take effect before the next election on June 7, 2018.

The premier noted many European countries already mandate far longer paid holidays than three weeks a year.
“We have fallen behind,” she said Monday.

The government will also outline the timetable for raising the hourly minimum wage from $11.40 to $15 and reveal measures for making it easier for workers to join unions.

“People being able to act collectively has contributed to the civility of our society,” said Wynne, adding employees should be allowed to organize “without being strong-armed or bullied” if they want to sign union cards.

“I would like to see more people who are working in precarious work protected. Organized labour protects people, protects workers.”

Minimum wage raise announcement coming Tuesday, Ontario premier says - Toronto - CBC News
 

Johnnny

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$15 minimum wage is a bad idea right now.... Need to wait awhile yet.....

Business's are going to suffer and as a result they will raise their prices which will compound with the little tax increases us Ontarioans have become all to accustomed to lately...
 

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We'll know officially in a couple of hours.

I suspect that if the Liberals will hold off implementing the increase because "it will take businesses and govenment a while to make the changes." Which is doublespeak for, "Elect us again and we might do it."

That's the cynical person in me.
 

Walter

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Libs want to drive up dependency on gubmint handouts. This policy change will result in higher unemployment.

$15 minimum wage is a bad idea right now.... Need to wait awhile yet.....

Business's are going to suffer and as a result they will raise their prices which will compound with the little tax increases us Ontarioans have become all to accustomed to lately...
Any minimum wage, unless it is $0, is a bad idea.
 

tay

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I saw Horvath on The Agenda the other night and she said, correctly that the Wynners are stealing her (NDP's playbook) but that aside I still don't get the sense that Wynne is actually winning possible votes BUT then again, I'm not affected by all of the Labour changes she is making...........


Sick notes for the boss could soon be a thing of the past in Ontario.


Employers will be banned from asking staff for a doctor’s note if they take 10 or fewer days a year under legislation proposed to take effect next January.

The measure, part of the workplace reform law Premier Kathleen Wynne’s administration has put forward, means fewer wasted appointments for doctors and nurse practitioners, allowing workers to stay home and get well instead of spreading their germs around, Health Minister Eric Hoskins said Thursday.

“This becomes one less thing to worry about when you’re not feeling well,” Hoskins, a family physician, told a news conference at Women’s College Hospital.

Labour Minister Kevin Flynn, who is shepherding the labour reforms that include a $15 minimum wage by 2019, said the law will ensure all workers are entitled to at least 10 personal emergency leave days annually, two of which must be paid.

Reasons for personal emergency leave can include illness or taking care of sick family members along with domestic or sexual violence or the threat of it.

Flynn said “most employers” no longer require sick notes, but the ban will force others in line with more modern employment practices.

As well, it will take precedence over any sick note terms in collective agreements, Flynn added.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queens...rio-under-proposed-workplace-legislation.html
 

Danbones

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It will all make it too expensive for employers to hire people
;)
so they will hire machines

machines need jobs too
 

tay

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It will all make it too expensive for employers to hire people
;)
so they will hire machines

machines need jobs too
And the machines will replace the shoppers as well......


Ontario NDP has unveiled a new plan for worker-friendly labour and employment law reform.


Highlights include:

  • Five paid sick or emergency days for all workers
  • Three weeks paid vacation after the first year of employment, up from the current two
  • Ending exemptions that allow some worker categories to be paid less than minimum wage
  • Making it harder for employers to label long-time workers “contractors” instead of employees
 

PoliticalNick

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The thing with all this bullsh!t is that if you are a good and valuable employee you will be treated as such. I mention early retirement and my boss starts offering more holidays and more money before I can finish my sentence. I sure don't need no stinking union dragging my salary down to their incompetent and lazy levels and I sure as heck don't need no politician taking another 10% of my income to finance $15/hr for a 15 year old burger-flipper who is unsure which end of the spatula to hold. My theory is you get what you earn and deserve. Employers will either pay top dollar to their top employees or lose them to someone else who will leaving them with a workforce of overpaid fry-cooks.
 

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The thing with all this bullsh!t is that if you are a good and valuable employee you will be treated as such. I mention early retirement and my boss starts offering more holidays and more money before I can finish my sentence. I sure don't need no stinking union dragging my salary down to their incompetent and lazy levels and I sure as heck don't need no politician taking another 10% of my income to finance $15/hr for a 15 year old burger-flipper who is unsure which end of the spatula to hold. My theory is you get what you earn and deserve. Employers will either pay top dollar to their top employees or lose them to someone else who will leaving them with a workforce of overpaid fry-cooks.
As someone so succinctly said earlier , EGGS ACTORLY .
 

Danbones

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And the machines will replace the shoppers as well......


Ontario NDP has unveiled a new plan for worker-friendly labour and employment law reform.


Highlights include:

  • Five paid sick or emergency days for all workers
  • Three weeks paid vacation after the first year of employment, up from the current two
  • Ending exemptions that allow some worker categories to be paid less than minimum wage
  • Making it harder for employers to label long-time workers “contractors” instead of employees


THE ROBOTS ARE COMING REGARDLESS OF HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT IT!

there:
it had to be said.

Shoppers?
They don't (note the death tolls in all the communist countries) need no stinkin' shoppers.

A good example of the dangers of wearing loose clothing near machinery.

Well, what did they think was going to happen when they put religious dogma above safety?
Somebody ought to talk to the Temp agency that sent a walking safety hazard to a mousetrap factory in the first place.

 

tay

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Wynne Libs are falling far short of their promises of addressing precarious work - including by watering down equal pay provisions to exclude the workers who need them most, and failing to address the use of temp agencies to avoid employment standards

Equal pay provisions meant to prevent discrimination against temp agency, casual, and part-time workers have been quietly watered down — raising doubts that proposed legislation will “succeed in meeting its purpose,” workers’ rights advocates say.

In a joint submission being made to the provincial government this week, a coalition of groups including Parkdale Community Legal Services argues that a recent revision to proposed labour legislation “directly undermines the intent of the equal pay provisions” and “preserves systemic inequalities between those in standard employment and those in precarious employment.”

The proposed “Fair Workplaces, Better Jobs Act” was first unveiled in June and is expected to become law this year. It aims to ensure employers can no longer pay temporary, casual, and part-time workers less for doing the same job as permanent ones. The provincial government has touted the measure as a key way to promote the creation of stable jobs rather than precarious ones.

But after the first round of committee hearings over the summer, an amendment was introduced that would allow employers to maintain pay differentials between temp and permanent employees through hours-based seniority. While other areas of the Employment Standards Act rely on start date to determine seniority, the new amendment would also allow seniority to be based on the number of hours worked.

“It was determined during the first reading consultations that there is ambiguity on how to correctly interpret seniority provisions within the Employment Standards Act,” said Michael Speers, spokesperson for the Minister of Labour.

“Bill 148 makes it clear that a seniority system includes a differentiation of pay based on the accumulated number of hours worked. This is consistent with the general interpretation of seniority, and does not change how the law is currently applied.”

But the amendment will make it “almost impossible” for precarious workers to be able to ever access their right to equal pay, according to Mary Gellatly of Parkdale Community Legal Services, because by definition, temp, casual, and part-timers are unlikely to ever work as many hours as a full-time employee.

“All employers have to do is set up a system of seniority based on hours of work to avoid complying with the equal pay provisions,” Gellatly said.

more

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/20...temp-and-part-time-workers-advocates-say.html
 

Danbones

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Well does a part timer generate the same returns as a full timer?
NO
OK
tell flynne to STFU..please