World hopes for a 'less arrogant America'

[Zzarchov]

Hello everybody. I am a new blogger, just signed on.

Avro, that may be. However, with Obama in power, USA’s attitude towards other nations will be less arrogant, more conciliatory. That does not mean that USA won’t undertake any international operations. But they will be more in the mode of Kosovo operation, which was carried out will full agreement and support of NATO, or even invasion of Kuwait, which was carried out with UN support.

Democrats tend to be more supportive of UN. According to the far right Republican base, USA should get out of UN right away. So we will certainly see the difference with Obama in office, compared to Bush.

How did that Kosovo thing work out again? Oh ya it pissed off Russia so much that they second they got any money they pointed nukes back at the west.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the actions taken there and one of my friends (a refugee from Kosovo) is only alive today because of it.

But the same is true of many Afghani's and Iraqi's regardless of Media coverage.

The most immediate change is simply a change of office, a democracies greatest power is the ability to whipe the slate clean every few years and blame all the mistakes on the last guy.

 

[Risus]

But things aren't always rosy when the Democrats are in office. Look at Carter and the Iranian Hostage crisis. Every week we were getting an embassy sacked. We don't have an embassy in Libya to this day because it was raided and burned to the ground with the approval of the Libyan government. Sure Bush had his 9/11 but during Clinton's era we had the USS Cole, Kobi (sic?) Towers, and embassies bombed in Africa. So having a Democrat President does not instantly win adulation around the world. It can help but there are some governments that are eyeing Obama closely and seeing what his weaknesses are.

You guys need to step back and wonder why all that crap is happening to you guys...

 

[Zzarchov]

Because when your on top everyone wants to knock you down and climb to the top themselves. And then proceed to step all over everyone else..so it has been throughout human history. And realistically, America is doing far less stomping than previous world powers. If you really think America is that bad, compare it to say Britian, 100 or 120 years ago.

 

[talloola]

Because when your on top everyone wants to knock you down and climb to the top themselves. And then proceed to step all over everyone else..so it has been throughout human history. And realistically, America is doing far less stomping than previous world powers. If you really think America is that bad, compare it to say Britian, 100 or 120 years ago.

But 'this' is NOW, and the future is ahead of us, look ahead, be smarter.

 

[scratch]

You guys need to step back and wonder why all that crap is happening to you guys...

Risus (please don't have an attack or whatever) but I think your comment was astute and to the point.
regs,
scratch

 

[EagleSmack]

Hello everybody. I am a new blogger, just signed on.

Avro, that may be. However, with Obama in power, USA’s attitude towards other nations will be less arrogant, more conciliatory. That does not mean that USA won’t undertake any international operations. But they will be more in the mode of Kosovo operation, which was carried out will full agreement and support of NATO, or even invasion of Kuwait, which was carried out with UN support.

Democrats tend to be more supportive of UN. According to the far right Republican base, USA should get out of UN right away. So we will certainly see the difference with Obama in office, compared to Bush.

Oh you mean the illegal war in Kosovo?

Afghanistan is carried out with full UN and NATO support.

 

[Risus]

Risus (please don't have an attack or whatever) but I think your comment was astute and to the point.
regs,
scratch

Scratch, I'm just recovering now.... 8O

 

[Avro]

Oh you mean the illegal war in Kosovo?

Afghanistan is carried out with full UN and NATO support.

Kosovo was a NATO mission, interesting how you leave that part out.:roll:

 

[Zzarchov]

Kosovo was a NATO mission, interesting how you leave that part out.:roll:

It was still an Illegal war and is one of the direct causes of the war in Georgia and the fact that Russian nuclear bombers are buzzing around our borders.

And again, I agree with the actions taken to end the genocide.

 

[jimmoyer]

McCain wanted to win in Iraq, no matter what, don't leave before Victory. He would not
negotiate with iran or anyone else, a firm military crony, probably still mad because
he spent all those years as a prisoner of war, don't blame him for that, but the presidency
is no place for someone who is so focused on 'war' and 'victory'. He is stuck in the past
and should ride off into the sunset, and give this presidency over to a diplomat and a
peaceful person, a younger person, and a person who will see the world much differently
---------------------------------------------Talloola----------------------------------------------------

You just might be right in that analysis.

I voted for McCain, but I am hopeful for Obama and fascinated with his chances for changing perception around the world. I like his personality very much.

His organizational skills in beating the Clinton machine and in attracting top talent also dazzles me. He's got Paul Voelker an old inflation fighting general of the Reagan years and Warren Buffet.

When I said McCain would have been more of a change agent, I was hinting he would have fomented chaos gleefully kicking apart convention-- he's not an organization man nor organized nor organizational. I'm not sure how he would have performed, but I am quite sure he would have relished pissing everyone off.

 

[scratch]

Jim,

One, he picked the wrong running mate.

Two, too fixated on an unwinable war.

Unfortunately he is a fading `old D.C.` this are the ways things are done.

 

[jimmoyer]

Actually through General Pretraeus, the Sunni Awakening (so called because they had enough of the Sunni al Qaeda killing their own brothers and sisters) and the Surge with extra troops to actually offer a little more believable security in capturing and holding areas, McCain did prove that a better level of success could be had.

McCain also fought hard to push out Rumsfeld who did not believe in the Surge and who wanted to prove a Light Footprint was better than the Colin Powel Doctrine of Overwhelming Force.

McCain went against his own Party and its leaders who did not initially embrace his idea of The Surge.

And the Democrats certainly did not believe a turn-around was possible.

So for that lone stand, I admire his ability to change the landscape of perception and of belief.

I don't think for a moment anymore that we were right to go in there in the first place.
I was wrong about supporting that before.

But I do support anyone who can offer better results rather than accepting total failure.

And I do think people as voyeurs wish for failure to confirm their beliefs.

I am hopeful about the Obama administration. The audacity of Hope.
It's interesting he invited both McCain and Lindsay Graham, both strong enough to defy party in favor of a better future.

 

[scratch]

I feel sorry for McCain, his days in gov't in the US are coming to a quick end. Watch!

 

[Risus]

I feel sorry for McCain, his days in gov't in the US are coming to a quick end. Watch!

I agree, unfortunately.

 

[scratch]

Unfortunately for him or unfortunate that I made the comment Risus.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

I feel sorry for McCain, his days in gov't in the US are coming to a quick end. Watch!

I disagree; the Arizona Senate seat is his for as long as he wants it. He remains extremely popular in Arizona and should easily win reelection in 2010.

Unless he decides to voluntarily pack it in. That is what I would do in his position. He is 72 years old, he has an obscene amount of money (or at least his wife does), seven mansions, why not take it easy in his old age?

Instead of still involved in politics, why not put your feet up, relax and take it easy? That is what I would do, and he may well decide to do that. But as long as he wants it, the Arizona Senate seat is his.