Why ??

[shadowshiv]

Is this what your were referring to?

View attachment 1044

I will admit to eating the one rabbit's ears if you will admit to eating the other rabbit's rump.:lol::lol:;-)

 

[gerryh]

Now on a larger scale he concept still applies. For example, making Christmas and Easter statutory holidays is in fact an imposition fo religious holidays on me. And that is happening. Is that better then, or is that a troll too?

Now we are coming to your true feelings

Sorry, I can't resist now that you've started it. I also see something wrong with public Catholic schools being given a privilege not granted to other religions in Ontario.

and again

Why not compromise and do what the UK's done. Make the Catholic Faith the established church, as a symbolic symbol. Byond that, though, leave us alone with these holidays and double standards in public education.

and what exactley has the UK done?

Now I can also see something else happening in Canada, or at least Ontario.

Because of the injustice of imposing religious holidays and double standards in education on the people, some react through anti-Christian sentiment. Sure they'd be wrong to discriminate against individual Christians for this, or to assume that all Christians support this injustice. But unfortunately, some do. And so some might take out their frustrations on Christians.

This happens in racial relations too by the way, where owing to white racism against blacks, some blacks become openly racist against whites. They are wrong, but it's understandable that some would react that way.

Though I've never met Christians getting angry at me for never saying Happy Christmas (though I usually would if I know that they're Christian or as a response to a Happy Christmas), I have known non-Christians respond quite rudely to Christians for their Happy Christmas. One actually responded Happy f***ing Christmas.

Sure he was wrong to respond that way, but we need to distinguish between acceptance and understanding. Though we cannot accept his behaviour, we can understand it. It was his way of expressing his frustration with the imposition of religious holidays in Canada by the govenrment.

I wold argue however that it is not appropriate to take that frustration out on Christians. Instead, the government ought to be to blame for this. Instead of just insulting Christians, why not go to the root cause of the problem. No peace without justice.

If we did not have imposed statutory religious holidays or double standards in public education, Christians would likely find much of this discrimination die out gradually as they see themselves as equal citizens before the law.

Yet you, and your buddies, do nothing BUT insult Christians, and Catholics in particular.

As far as public Catholic Schools are concerned. There are a few provinces in our confederation that negotiated the Catholic/Public schools when they joined. You don't have to live in a province that allows this. You can always move. The fact is that, in many cases, the Catholic Schools do a better job of educating the kids. The facts are that you do NOT have to be Catholic to go to a Catholic school in the provinces that have public funded Catholic Schools. The facts are that in those provinces that have both Public and Catholic schools, homeowners have the choice as to where their school taxes go.


Stat holidays..... YOU are not obligated to do anything with these. You don't want to celebrate...fine...don't celibrate....don't want to get paid for them? Give the money back to your boss. Want to impose YOUR values on the rest of the country.....lobby your MP...... but...as has already been pointed out...8 million Canadians, as per statscan, identify as being non-Christian. This would mean that the rest of the 22+ million Canadians identify as being Christian. This would mean that you would probably have a snowballs chance in hell of changing our stat holidays. If you REALLY didn't like it....you could always leave the country.

Now...tell me WHY the minority should be IMPOSING their lack of belief on the majority? Tell me how EVERYONE getting a paid day off is such a terrible thing and imposses on your rights?

 

[Machjo]

Yet you, and your buddies, do nothing BUT insult Christians, and Catholics in particular.

Wait a minute. Let me get this straight. To say that Canada recognizes Christian holidays as statutory holidays and that the UN officially condemns the preferential treatment that the Ontario government affords Catholic schools is paramount to insulting Catholics and Christians?

So what are you suggesting? That I sensor myself and not point out this injustice? That I lie and deny that this is happening?

As for insulting Catholics or Christians, you'll notice in my previous posts that I've made it clear that though these laws are unjust, and though we do need to change them, we should not blame Christians pe se for this injustice. After all, there may be Christians who do in fact live up to the Christian principle of justice. So how does this insult Christians? All I'm saying is that there is an injustice, and that those who defend it, regardless of religion, are defending an injustice. And those who oppose it, regardless of religion, ae defending justice. Asking for equality is different from asking for discrimination. If asking for equality insults you, then you have revealed your true colours by trying to censor me by insulting me and suggesting that I hate Christians because I'm asking for equality.

As Gandhi once said:

I like your Christ... your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

As far as public Catholic Schools are concerned. There are a few provinces in our confederation that negotiated the Catholic/Public schools when they joined. You don't have to live in a province that allows this. You can always move. The fact is that, in many cases, the Catholic Schools do a better job of educating the kids. The facts are that you do NOT have to be Catholic to go to a Catholic school in the provinces that have public funded Catholic Schools. The facts are that in those provinces that have both Public and Catholic schools, homeowners have the choice as to where their school taxes go.

You're kidding, right? Cathilic schools might be doing a better job. I'd have to see the statistics on that. But that's beside the point. As for negotiating agreements, why are Catholics not willing to relinquish an unjust privilege. Their own religion teaches justice, doesn't it? Why are you holding us to an unjust agreement?

And as for saying that if we don't like it, we can just leave, that's like saying that if we're not Catholic, we'd better accept the privileged status of the Catholic church, and if we should dare to ask for equality, then we might as well bugger off someplace else 'cause we're not welcome in the province unless we're Catholic.

Imagine if we had secular and Buddhist schools. Would youequally accept that it's fair because anyone who wants to could just attend the Buddhist school?

And no, I as a homeowner have not the same say you do about where my taxes go. You can choose Catholic or secular. Now you could argue that I have the same choice, but since I'm not Catholic, why would I want to fund catholic schools. Thus you have two real choices. I have one. Is that your notion of justice?

According to international law itself, all relgigions must be treated equally. So if your taxes can go to Catholic schools, why can the taxes of a Jew not go to Jewish schools? Do we live in a theocracy? Is Catholicism the official state religion in Canada? Because this preferential treatment equates to that in fact, even if not in law.

Stat holidays..... YOU are not obligated to do anything with these. You don't want to celebrate...fine...don't celibrate....don't want to get paid for them? Give the money back to your boss. Want to impose YOUR values on the rest of the country.....lobby your MP...... but...as has already been pointed out...8 million Canadians, as per statscan, identify as being non-Christian. This would mean that the rest of the 22+ million Canadians identify as being Christian. This would mean that you would probably have a snowballs chance in hell of changing our stat holidays. If you REALLY didn't like it....you could always leave the country.

1. I don't have a choice as to what I do on that holiday. By law, I must be paid more and therefore am essentially forced out of work for a day. You are imposing your religion on me this way. And no, i don't mean Christians since not all of them necessarily agree with this law. I mean you, you personally are imposing this on my through your abuse of yor democratic right to impose your religion on me along with the rest of the majority, again not all Christians, but the more fundamentalist among them who insist on using their voting powers to infringe on the rights of the minority. That is democratic, granted, but it's a particular type of democracy called mob rule.

2. Why should I have to leave the country if I want equality. What the hell do you want, a theocracy? Welcome to Iran light?

Now...tell me WHY the minority should be IMPOSING their lack of belief on the majority? Tell me how EVERYONE getting a paid day off is such a terrible thing and imposses on your rights?

How would the monority be imposing its rights on the majority by simply saying that if a Catholic can pay his taxes towards Catholci schools, that a Jew can also pay his taxes towards Jewish schools?

Are you saying that by giving others the freedom to do what they want with their money, that tey're infringing on your rights? Waht kind of warped mind is that. Are you for real? Or are you an anti-Christian yourself just trying to give Christians a bad name?

Same with stat holidays. I'd simply be asking that the government not impose religious holidays on the minority. This would in no way prohibit Christians from asking for those holidays off from their bosses. So your saying that if I choose to work on a stat holiday, I'm infringing on your right to make me not work?

If you don't want to work, fine, but why me?

I cannot believe that you are defending religious discrimination in the name of majority rule. You are openly defending mob rule. I've read the Bible myself, and though I do not profess the Christian Faith, I do know that the Bible teaches justice. Have you not read it?

 

[gerryh]

learn how to quote.....it's really not that difficut and makes it a hell of alot easier to read.

 

[Machjo]

Sorry. I was correcting while you typed this.

 

[VanIsle]

You're treading dangerously man, I made the huge mistake of referring to Christmas as "Xmas" on one forum (as most sane and sensible people do) and the way one poster came at me I thought W.W.3 had started.

People have used the term "Xmas" forever. Only because the X is for Chris and in the days when the post office didn't charge people an arm and a leg for a lousy stamp, people sent out lots and lots of Christmas (Xmas) greetings, meaning they wrote the words Merry Xmas so many times they used the shortened form and I'm sure there are a zillion other reasons. It makes perfect sense to me that it could be called Xmas for such reasons. Saying Happy X-ster is just being sarcastic and a little nasty. Why would you feel the need to do that?

 

[VanIsle]

Now I can also see something else happening in Canada, or at least Ontario.

Because of the injustice of imposing religious holidays and double standards in education on the people, some react through anti-Christian sentiment. Sure they'd be wrong to discriminate against individual Christians for this, or to assume that all Christians support this injustice. But unfortunately, some do. And so some might take out their frustrations on Christians.

This happens in racial relations too by the way, where owing to white racism against blacks, some blacks become openly racist against whites. They are wrong, but it's understandable that some would react that way.

Though I've never met Christians getting angry at me for never saying Happy Christmas (though I usually would if I know that they're Christian or as a response to a Happy Christmas), I have known non-Christians respond quite rudely to Christians for their Happy Christmas. One actually responded Happy f***ing Christmas.

Sure he was wrong to respond that way, but we need to distinguish between acceptance and understanding. Though we cannot accept his behaviour, we can understand it. It was his way of expressing his frustration with the imposition of religious holidays in Canada by the govenrment.

I wold argue however that it is not appropriate to take that frustration out on Christians. Instead, the government ought to be to blame for this. Instead of just insulting Christians, why not go to the root cause of the problem. No peace without justice.

If we did not have imposed statutory religious holidays or double standards in public education, Christians would likely find much of this discrimination die out gradually as they see themselves as equal citizens before the law.

Show me an atheist who turns down the "day off" for the holiday; the pay they receive even though they didn't work that day; the time and a half they get for working the day (or more than time and a half). If they were being honest they would at the very least, turn down the extra pay if they are in a job where the whole place shuts down for the Christian Holiday and if it doesn't, they should be the ones to step up and work for the day without extra pay for working on a holiday they don't believe in. I can hear the screams all ready. Not one of you would agree to that would you? 8O

 

[Machjo]

Show me an atheist who turns down the "day off" for the holiday; the pay they receive even though they didn't work that day; the time and a half they get for working the day (or more than time and a half). If they were being honest they would at the very least, turn down the extra pay if they are in a job where the whole place shuts down for the Christian Holiday and if it doesn't, they should be the ones to step up and work for the day without extra pay for working on a holiday they don't believe in. I can hear the screams all ready. Not one of you would agree to that would you? 8O

Not just atheists, but anyone who does not profess the Christian Faith, and possibly some Christians too who beleive in equality for all.

I would support it for myself. Besides, this would save the company money, and so it might just pass it on through other means, be they higher overall salaries, or a bonus prize on occasion for work well done, or whatever.

It's the principle. I have turned down higher-paying jobs before in favour of lower-paying ones on principle. If you're incapable of understanding why people would do that, that says more about yourself than anyone else.

But as for stat holidays, there's no way around it short of breaking the law or leaving the country.

I honestly would have no qualms about working Christmas day without a bonus. I'd likewise like to see us be allowed to give money to the school of our choice, so if we want a school that's open on Christmas day, why not?

Plenty of other holidays around. I guess that's my libertarian streak coming out.

 

[missile]

I have used XMas only when there isn't much space left on the page.Easter and Christmas used to be some of the few things we Catholics had in common with the Protestants & personally I don't believe in any other than those two religions.

 

[L Gilbert]

Show me an atheist who turns down the "day off" for the holiday; the pay they receive even though they didn't work that day; the time and a half they get for working the day (or more than time and a half). If they were being honest they would at the very least, turn down the extra pay if they are in a job where the whole place shuts down for the Christian Holiday and if it doesn't, they should be the ones to step up and work for the day without extra pay for working on a holiday they don't believe in. I can hear the screams all ready. Not one of you would agree to that would you? 8O

What would you expect? Atheists should develop and implement our own holidays? Good luck getting the rest of the public to go for that. Good luck getting the gov't to go for that. How many religions and whatnot are there? Perhaps each should have their own holidays. Oh, yeah, atheists wouldn't get any, would we? At least not ones based on religious issues. Yep. All that sounds pretty sensible. lol

 

[Nuggler]

I'm not being sarcastic. You asked a question, I gave you a possible reason.

After doing some reading, I find you are right and I was wrong, and I apologize and stand corrected.:hippy2:

Happy Easter-egg-chicken-thing--came first-which-nuggler brain fart.

:lol:

 

[El Barto]

I do catholic thing or any other faiths, but i still wish people a merry christmas.
It would probably piss them off more if you say that for easter lol.

 

[hermite]

This looked like a good place to pop in and wish everyone a Happy Easter, or whatever else you wish to call it. Happy Eggster works for me. :duckie:

Hope you all have a lovely day with family and friends. I'm off to a big family dinner.:wave:

 

[JLM]

This looked like a good place to pop in and wish everyone a Happy Easter, or whatever else you wish to call it. Happy Eggster works for me. :duckie:

Hope you all have a lovely day with family and friends. I'm off to a big family dinner.:wave:

The best to you too, hermite- Looks like we'll be busy with family arriving from Alberta this morning, if I knew they were coming I'd have got a bigger turkey, but I'm sure there's a few cans of pork & beans in the cupboard & the kids don't know the difference, they'll probably eat themselves sick on chocolate rabbits anyway......:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[hermite]

Sounds like a great day JLM. Have fun.

 

[JLM]

"Saying Happy X-ster is just being sarcastic and a little nasty. Why would you feel the need to do that? "- That came from someone's else's post- certainly not mine- do you think I'm suicidal? LOL

 

[JLM]

Sounds like a great day JLM. Have fun.

There's never a dull moment when there's kids around.

 

[Diarygirl]

Hop.....py Eggster everyone!!!

 

[rufus]

I will admit to eating the one rabbit's ears if you will admit to eating the other rabbit's rump.:lol::lol:;-)

Only if you can assure me that it is sugar free chocolate. Is there such a thing?:smile::smile:

 

[tracy]

Honestly, what is going on with the posters on this forum? It seems like people are just looking for any little excuse to start a fight.

I have never felt unable to wish someone a Happy Easter or a Merry Christmas. No one in any of my jobs has ever been disciplined for doing so. I've never seen someone be offended by it. I'm not religious btw, I just seem to work with people who have more important things to worry about than imaginary slights.