Why you hate the Conservatives and what is it about Liberals

Jo Canadian

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we may see people wanting marriage as a union between three or four people, and other absurd ideas


Ever been to Utah? I guess not :?

Actually, same-sex marriage jeopardizes marriage as a whole. It makes marriage more vulnerable.

I don't understand how. Unless you're needing something to blame for a bad marriage, besides yourself and your spouse. Damn If that's the case, I could blame the internet for jeopardizing marriages rather than particular inadiquicies.
 

TenPenny

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"Actually, same-sex marriage jeopardizes marriage as a whole. It makes marriage more vulnerable. "

Vulnerable to what? Earthquakes? Infidelity? Right.

What a meaningless statement.
 

Vanni Fucci

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BlueCrusader said:
2) On Bill C-38: I will RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. We MUST respect Canadians who are enjoying TRADITION marriage, and also protect homosexuals (notice that I am an open Conservative; I believe in compromise to protect all Canadians). Let's protect traditional marriage so that the Canadians (and believe me, there are a lot) who what to keep traditional marriage will be respected. We can't jepardize one group fore another. To protect homosexuals, we will create a civil union so that they can be officially joined. Some complain, "But that make homosexuals sub-human to heterosexuals." I disagree with that. By creating civil unions, we are taking the COURAGE AND LEADERSHIP to heave forward and create a new tradition for homosexuals that will grow for years to come. This is real leadership. This is protecting both groups.
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In addition, maybe we could create a homosexuals registry so we can keep track of them, and we should probably fit them with visible barcode tattoos for easy identification, so that we don't mistakenly bump into one at the supermarket, or sit next to one on the bus... :evil:
 

no1important

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Well when Preston Manning first started the Reform party, I believed he had good intentions, then the party was hijacked by right wing nutjobs(and bigots and racists and thats no secret, so I don't mind saying it, as by some of the comments certain members of that party made over the years) and they really prevented the reform party from getting/gaining acceptance and support in the east.

These same nutjobs stayed with the party under the new name of Canadian Alliance and continue to belong with the "new conservative party". (The ex reform's even hijacked this so called new "conservative party")Thats that parties downfall. The east (mainly Ontario) still has the opinion Reform, Alliance, Conservatives are the same "good ole boys party" and thats why they will have trouble ever winning another federal election. Same people but diferent name for party, so nothing has changed.

I honestly believe they will lose seats in Ontario next time.

BlueCrusader wrote:
2) On Bill C-38: I will RESPECTFULLY disagree with you. We MUST respect Canadians who are enjoying TRADITION marriage

The 50% who get divorced? Not to mention all the couples that are seperated and unhappy in their "marriage".

One last comment.

At least Paul Martin is not a war criminal like "W" and "Blair", because if the Conservatives were in power they would of joined Iraq "occupation" or supported it as the government so Harper would be an accessory to a criminal under international law.

I do not like Liberals and I dislike the Conservative Party more and I am proud to say I support the NDP. They are the only normal party in my opinion.
 

BlueCrusader

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"In addition, maybe we could create a homosexuals registry so we can keep track of them, and we should probably fit them with visible barcode tattoos for easy identification, so that we don't mistakenly bump into one at the supermarket, or sit next to one on the bus... "

This is absolutely unacceptable; I don't know if you are a Neo-Nazi or what? That's just wrong.

"The 50% who get divorced? Not to mention all the couples that are seperated and unhappy in their "marriage"."

Notice how I said "The people who are ALREADY ENJOYING traditional marriage." That doesn't mean people who are divorced, it means people who are already married. How can you deny that there are many, many people who want to keep marriage the same? Why aren't we looking at solutions that will satisfy BOTH sides of this story?

"Vulnerable to what? Earthquakes? Infidelity? Right.
What a meaningless statement."

Traditional marriage is being jeopardized. Once we change the definition of marriage once, we'll want to change it even more (especially Jack Layton and his radical JACKobins). We'll say marriage has to also include marriage between three or four people. Marriage between a man and his pet. And if we don't, then it is not respecting the Charter. When is it going to stop? No, it is not going to stop. That's why, let's protect marriage, and create a new, strong tradition for homosexuals. THis way, we are not leaving homosexuals out.


What I am appauled at is the level of rude sarcasm in your responses. You say you want to protect homosexuals because they are a minority. What about Conservatives? In this forum, basically, I am the only Young Conservative fending for what I believe in RESPECTFULLY. Yet, I received so many rudely crafted rudely. In this way, this is hyprocrisy. You protect the homosexual mionority, but in your OWN forums, you don't respect the Conservative minority? Interesting.
 

Reverend Blair

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Once we change the definition of marriage once, we'll want to change it even more (especially Jack Layton and his radical JACKobins). We'll say marriage has to also include marriage between three or four people. Marriage between a man and his pet. And if we don't, then it is not respecting the Charter.

I suggest you have a lot of learning to do. You seem to have no grasp of the Charter or what a minority is. You also haven't got a clue about the NDP...that is very clear from what you have written.

If this is what they are teaching the young Conservatives about politics, then I worry for your future. It is obvious that you are not being armed with the knowledge to make a rational decision.
 

BlueCrusader

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Reverend Blair said:
Once we change the definition of marriage once, we'll want to change it even more (especially Jack Layton and his radical JACKobins). We'll say marriage has to also include marriage between three or four people. Marriage between a man and his pet. And if we don't, then it is not respecting the Charter.

I suggest you have a lot of learning to do. You seem to have no grasp of the Charter or what a minority is. You also haven't got a clue about the NDP...that is very clear from what you have written.

If this is what they are teaching the young Conservatives about politics, then I worry for your future. It is obvious that you are not being armed with the knowledge to make a rational decision.

Hey, learning, I'm all up for it! It's a whole lot of pressure for a 15 year-old to defend what he believes in against 98% of radicals in a forum. And guess what? And yes, I do understand the NDP. I live in BC, and after a decade of NDP rule, they really messed BC up badly.

And also, I'd to take the time to graciously thank you all for being just one tough group. Yes, I need to learn alot, and this will really help sharpen up my debate skills, because it's obvious, I've got a lot of debating to do.
 

Reverend Blair

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And yes, I do understand the NDP. I live in BC, and after a decade of NDP rule, they really messed BC up badly.

At the grand old age of fifteen, you know that? You were what, 11 when the Liberals came to power? Do you remember who was there before the NDP? Do you understand the external pressures put on your government? Do you understand the pressure that business puts on the NDP through non-cooperation? Do you understand that your press in BC is controlled by anti-NDP corporations so that much of what you hear about those years is so biassed that it bears little resemblance to the truth?

Do you understand that the NDP in other provinces have an excellent record? Do you understand that the proposed policies of the federal NDP more closely resemble the policies of the governments of Manitoba and Saskatchewan than the policies of any other NDP governments?

Do you understand that many of us have lived under Conservative governments that have instituted policies very much like the policies that the Harperites are now putting forth? Do you realise that Saskatchewan almost went bankrupt because of such policies? Do you realise that Manitoba did not do well under the last Conservative government we had?

Do they teach you anything about politics, policies, and parties in the Young Conservatives? No, I guess not because the Conservative Party of Canada decided not to have a youth wing at their last convention. Instead they depend on a loose coaltion of self-governing groups at various universities. There is no such thing as the Young Conservatives as any sort of cohesive group. There is no attempt by the federal Conservatives to educate young people.
 

Cosmo

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Vanni Fucci said:
In addition, maybe we could create a homosexuals registry so we can keep track of them, and we should probably fit them with visible barcode tattoos for easy identification, so that we don't mistakenly bump into one at the supermarket, or sit next to one on the bus... :evil:

Wait a minute ... didn't that german guy do something like that??? Kinda backfired on him though ... the pink triangle has become an icon of pride. na na na na na na!
 

Vanni Fucci

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Cosmo said:
Vanni Fucci said:
In addition, maybe we could create a homosexuals registry so we can keep track of them, and we should probably fit them with visible barcode tattoos for easy identification, so that we don't mistakenly bump into one at the supermarket, or sit next to one on the bus... :evil:

Wait a minute ... didn't that german guy do something like that??? Kinda backfired on him though ... the pink triangle has become an icon of pride. na na na na na na!

Yeah...I thought I'd strap on the jackboots for a bit...but they pinched my toes... :?
 

bluealberta

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peapod said:
Bluealberta wrote that post right after the rev told him that Bill C-48 the NDP budget amendent had just passed. A kick in the stomach for him, his post was a knee jerk reaction to a bitter disappointment. I would let it slide if you can, I am sure he will be posting more than enough to upset lots of people :p

A few things:

First, the vote on C-48 was not a surprise, anyone who could count or watch CPAC knew what the final result would be. What was disappointing was the sneaky way the Libs halted debate, another sign of diminished democracy. SSM will also pass, that is no surprise either. However, I will continue to dispute both, as is my right, I believe, in Canada, unless the left has now decided that dissenting opinions are verbotten,

Second, I enjoy this forum, because it allows me to see inside the minds of the extreme left and more understand what causes them to come up with such strange thoughts and ideas. What I have had confirmed is that when the truth is not in their favor, then the lies, fearmongering, and character assassination is used. As an example, continuing to call the CPC extreme right wing and scarey are perfect examples. The CPC is far more left than either the Reform or Alliance was, and nothing in the CPC policies, issues, or platform is scarey to anyone with any kind of independent thought.

Third, to BlueCrusader, if at fifteen you have already learned that the tax and spend philosophy of the NDP is bad, then you have learned the most important political lesson in Canada. There is a reason why the NDP has never, and never will, form the federal government, and that is because they think that taxpayers money is theirs to spend as they see fit. They forget that the money they spend comes from hardworking Canadians of all political stripes.

Lastly, regarding the floods in Alberta, it is nice that the feds finall showed up, they have been going on for the last three weeks, with not a word said. As of today, it appears some federal money may finally arrive. Actually, I wish we would say no, but then that may be a bit spiteful :wink: . As to the severity, it is certainly far more devastating than the snowstorm in Toronto that had the army called out. As to the ice storm, I did not mention that, but I agree, that was worse.

And the best thing about Alberta? It is not Manitoba, who is stuck with some of the posters on this forum :wink: :roll: 8) :lol:
 

BlueCrusader

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Reverend Blair said:
And yes, I do understand the NDP. I live in BC, and after a decade of NDP rule, they really messed BC up badly.

At the grand old age of fifteen, you know that? You were what, 11 when the Liberals came to power? Do you remember who was there before the NDP? Do you understand the external pressures put on your government? Do you understand the pressure that business puts on the NDP through non-cooperation? Do you understand that your press in BC is controlled by anti-NDP corporations so that much of what you hear about those years is so biassed that it bears little resemblance to the truth?

Do you understand that the NDP in other provinces have an excellent record? Do you understand that the proposed policies of the federal NDP more closely resemble the policies of the governments of Manitoba and Saskatchewan than the policies of any other NDP governments?

Do you understand that many of us have lived under Conservative governments that have instituted policies very much like the policies that the Harperites are now putting forth? Do you realise that Saskatchewan almost went bankrupt because of such policies? Do you realise that Manitoba did not do well under the last Conservative government we had?

Do they teach you anything about politics, policies, and parties in the Young Conservatives? No, I guess not because the Conservative Party of Canada decided not to have a youth wing at their last convention. Instead they depend on a loose coaltion of self-governing groups at various universities. There is no such thing as the Young Conservatives as any sort of cohesive group. There is no attempt by the federal Conservatives to educate young people.

Actually, I do know quite a fair bit of the NDP in my own province at least. Don't dare underestimate the youth of today; we know things that you, as adults, often assume that we don't know. In fact, you are actually spreading disinformation.

BC: The Social Credit Party was in power before the NDP took power in the 1990s. The NDP raised taxes, and scared away businesses, which brought our economy to the dumps: from first in the coutnry to worst. When this happened, little new profits were coming into BC. The NDP used tax money to fund services and without a growing economy and new money, little could be improved. In stead, they wasted 1 billion dollars on Fast Ferries that did not work. BC became the worst province in job creation. They put undemocratic powers on the union, which and still is "the mind" of its people. One friend of my dad got kicked out of his unions just because he disagreed with same-sex marriage. Also, the press is definately NOT anti-NDP. I have read many, many articles endorsing the NDP, while in the same newspaper, bashing the Liberals. The unions continue to spend money on television ads to bash the BC LIberals. And this is biased? The press is anti-NDP?

Also, I have recently joined the Young Conservatives. The party did not reject a youth-wing, it merely rejected the two choices it was given. As a result, Conservative youth from coast to coast got together to form what is now the Young Conservatives. In addition, the House of Commons' youngest members are Conservative: Mike Chong, James Moore, Rona Ambrose, Steven Fletcher, to name a few.
www.youngconservativevoice.ca

Yes, the grand age of 15. Funny how they know so much.
 

bluealberta

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BlueCrusader said:
Reverend Blair said:
And yes, I do understand the NDP. I live in BC, and after a decade of NDP rule, they really messed BC up badly.

At the grand old age of fifteen, you know that? You were what, 11 when the Liberals came to power? Do you remember who was there before the NDP? Do you understand the external pressures put on your government? Do you understand the pressure that business puts on the NDP through non-cooperation? Do you understand that your press in BC is controlled by anti-NDP corporations so that much of what you hear about those years is so biassed that it bears little resemblance to the truth?

Do you understand that the NDP in other provinces have an excellent record? Do you understand that the proposed policies of the federal NDP more closely resemble the policies of the governments of Manitoba and Saskatchewan than the policies of any other NDP governments?

Do you understand that many of us have lived under Conservative governments that have instituted policies very much like the policies that the Harperites are now putting forth? Do you realise that Saskatchewan almost went bankrupt because of such policies? Do you realise that Manitoba did not do well under the last Conservative government we had?

Do they teach you anything about politics, policies, and parties in the Young Conservatives? No, I guess not because the Conservative Party of Canada decided not to have a youth wing at their last convention. Instead they depend on a loose coaltion of self-governing groups at various universities. There is no such thing as the Young Conservatives as any sort of cohesive group. There is no attempt by the federal Conservatives to educate young people.

Actually, I do know quite a fair bit of the NDP in my own province at least. Don't dare underestimate the youth of today; we know things that you, as adults, often assume that we don't know. In fact, you are actually spreading disinformation.

BC: The Social Credit Party was in power before the NDP took power in the 1990s. The NDP raised taxes, and scared away businesses, which brought our economy to the dumps: from first in the coutnry to worst. When this happened, little new profits were coming into BC. The NDP used tax money to fund services and without a growing economy and new money, little could be improved. In stead, they wasted 1 billion dollars on Fast Ferries that did not work. BC became the worst province in job creation. They put undemocratic powers on the union, which and still is "the mind" of its people. One friend of my dad got kicked out of his unions just because he disagreed with same-sex marriage. Also, the press is definately NOT anti-NDP. I have read many, many articles endorsing the NDP, while in the same newspaper, bashing the Liberals. The unions continue to spend money on television ads to bash the BC LIberals. And this is biased? The press is anti-NDP?

Also, I have recently joined the Young Conservatives. The party did not reject a youth-wing, it merely rejected the two choices it was given. As a result, Conservative youth from coast to coast got together to form what is now the Young Conservatives. In addition, the House of Commons' youngest members are Conservative: Mike Chong, James Moore, Rona Ambrose, Steven Fletcher, to name a few.
www.youngconservativevoice.ca

Yes, the grand age of 15. Funny how they know so much.

Keep up the good work. Not only is the conservative caucus the youngest caucus in the house of commons, it is also the most diverse caucus in the house of commons. I am also glad to see a young conservative group, I was a bit disappointed when that did not happen at the convention.
 

Reverend Blair

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Wow, BlueCrusader, that's right out of a talking points memo. It isn't accurate, but I'll leave it to those from BC to dispute.

You still have shown no knowledge of the NDP outside of your province, or on a federal level. You have made statements that were inaccurate though. To be specific, this,
Once we change the definition of marriage once, we'll want to change it even more (especially Jack Layton and his radical JACKobins).
is an untruth. There has been no talk of it outside of the propaganda mill of the Harperite extremists.

This,
We'll say marriage has to also include marriage between three or four people. Marriage between a man and his pet. And if we don't, then it is not respecting the Charter.
shows a purposeful and malevolent misconstruation of the entire issue. It isn't just a lie, but a hurtful and childish lie being spread by alleged Christians.

This,
It's a whole lot of pressure for a 15 year-old to defend what he believes in against 98% of radicals in a forum
is a mischaracterisation of the posters here and is based on the fallacy that anybody who does not agree with the brutal and regressive agenda of the Harperites is somehow radical. I know some radical leftists. Believe me, you have no idea what you are talking about if you are comparing anybody here to them.

If you are really here to learn, then you will. If you are here to be a mini-me of Blue Alberta, then you will meet with some very serious opposition. If you want to call people radicals, then I suggest you go look up what Canadians have said they want in poll after poll after poll, then look at the proposed policies of your chosen party. Next time you want to see a radical, all you have to do is look in the mirror.
 

Reverend Blair

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What was disappointing was the sneaky way the Libs halted debate, another sign of diminished democracy.

Conservatives have invoked closure in the past. The bitter and vitrolic crap that has been spewing from the mouths of the Conservatives since they were out-maneuvered has raised their pettiness rating and hurt them even more in the opinion polls, especially since most Canadians like bill C-48.

because it allows me to see inside the minds of the extreme left and more understand what causes them to come up with such strange thoughts and ideas.

I'll point out to you (again) that there is nothing extreme about the left on this board. It is the Conservative Party, under the leadership of Stephen Harper, that has consistently supported policies out of step with what the majority of Canadians say they want. It is you who are the extremists, Blue.

What I have had confirmed is that when the truth is not in their favor, then the lies, fearmongering, and character assassination is used.

Bullshit.

And quit trying to further poison the kid's mind, Blue. He said he wanted to learn...feeding him the extremist views of the radical right is the last thing he needs.
 

bluealberta

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Blue Crusader (gotta love that name!):

What you are seeing in the response from the Rev is typical of left wing extremists, where those who do not agree with them are brutal and regressive. The truth, as we both know, is that the CPC is the only party that proposes fiscal responsibility, responsible immigration based on skills, not race, maintaining the status quo on abortion, guaranteeing equal rights for gays under SS unions, and a pledge to clean up the stink and sleaze of the liberals. These are positive policies that must be promoted. Be prepared for some personal insults from some on this forum who do now want to hear any idea other than their own, although in fairness, that only applies to three or four. Most on here are at least willing to debate issues in a civil manner. Others simply flout their opinions as facts, and expect everyone to believe them.

Trust me, you are not a radical, extreme, neandrethal, knuckle dragging, bigotted, racist, redneck right winger, although you will in time be accused of all these things, especially when everyone knows you are right in any given position. The talking point comment is a favorite too.

I look forward to your posts, especially as they are from a young conservative.
 

Cosmo

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Vanni Fucci said:
Yeah...I thought I'd strap on the jackboots for a bit...but they pinched my toes... :?

So do my 8" dominatrix boots, but hey, sometimes ya gotta sacrifice comfort for style! ;)
 

Reverend Blair

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is that the CPC is the only party that proposes fiscal responsibility,

During the last election, yours was the platform that got the least endorsements from economists.

responsible immigration based on skills, not race,

Of course you support racial profiling as well, and would tighten refugee rules.

maintaining the status quo on abortion,

Still trying to hide the agenda, Blue? I've explained this to you several times now, but Harper's refusal to state that he would not support a private members bill points to an attempt to ban abortion in a sneaky, dishonest, even corrupt way. It is cynical to lie to Canadians like that.

guaranteeing equal rights for gays under SS unions,

Another bit of intellectual dishonesty. Either gays can get married and have the same rights as everybody else, or you are trying to make them second class citizens.

and a pledge to clean up the stink and sleaze of the liberals.

The Conservatives have not proposed one change that might address that.
 

Jo Canadian

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