Why UK should abolish its 'failed' monarchy

karrie

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I don't think she does.

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Then she definitely ought to be stripped of her status. A head of state who doesn't care... that's deplorable, irresponsible, and flat out thievery. I'm surprised you'd make such assertions about the Queen.
 

Jonny_C

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There's nothing more daft that giving a Head of State certain powers and then complaining when that Head of State uses those powers.

She used those "powers" in Canada? I must have missed that!

If the Queen wants to get rid of the Canadian Government or make Canada declare war on another country she can do that as much as she can in her other 15 Realms. The Queen could take Canada to war against the USA, Botswana or Chile and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're living in a dream world, my friend. You're seeing possibilities that don't exist.

Americans, who generally don't know much about our system of governance, might occasionally talk about this sort of thing. You should probably know better.
 

karrie

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The very fact that the Canadian populace views the Queen's position the way we do, is what limits her power. Not anything written on paper.

You've heard plenty of people state very clearly here, the Queen can only use her power, and keep it, if she uses it to protect Canadian democracy. If the Queen ever attempted to use it to force Canadians to act outside of our own interests, we'd strip her of her power, plain and simple.
 

hunboldt

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Seems to me that Canada didn't 'go to war' at the Queens whim in Iraq (coalition of the willing I believe) when the Brit forces were deployed.

... I guess that Blackie is just misinformed

The powers of the Crown are to be used in extremis. such as situations where the Canadian Government becomes dysfunctional, as in 1925-26.

Avoiding The coalition of the Willing was the most super rational act that Mr . Chretien ever accomplished.
 

#juan

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She used those "powers" in Canada? I must have missed that!



You're living in a dream world, my friend. You're seeing possibilities that don't exist.

Americans, who generally don't know much about our system of governance, might occasionally talk about this sort of thing. You should probably know better.

Exactly. Any authoritive roll held by Britain over Canada is purely ceremonial.
 

JLM

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I think old Lizzy has done her job fairly well for 60 years, she's 87......................why hassle her?
Actually with a dysfunctional husband and embarrassing family I think she's coped very well.
 

PoliticalNick

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I think old Lizzy has done her job fairly well for 60 years, she's 87......................why hassle her?

Because we don't want or need her or her kids. It is time to shed the antiquated, inbred, hillbilly hoax that is the monarchy. Even if they are just ceremonial they cost us way to much money for what & who they are.
 

WLDB

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We all know what happened to
Oliver in the end don't we?

He was executed posthumously. Id say people who did that were just as crazy if not more crazy than he was.

The cost of switching over is enough of a deterrent. I have an issue with it because of the tradition weaved within our Nation and service under both the Queen and Old King George is something my family has done with honour and dedication for five generations.

Getting rid of the monarchy wouldnt change the past. Your family would still have the same history to be proud of. Tradition or not, to me it makes absolutely no sense for anyone to inherit that position simply because they happened to be born into the right family. They did nothing to deserve it and never really have. Hereditary monarchy never made sense to begin with. Figurehead or not.

I think old Lizzy has done her job fairly well for 60 years, she's 87......................why hassle her?
Actually with a dysfunctional husband and embarrassing family I think she's coped very well.

Because she happens to be the one in that position now. Id have the same problems with the institution if it was Charles, William or anyone else on the throne.

Exactly. Any authoritive roll held by Britain over Canada is purely ceremonial.

Britain's power is long gone. The monarch - not so much. The Queen is our Queen independently of her position as Queen of the UK. They could get rid of her tomorrow and we'd still have her or vice versa. There is a difference between the two.

If the Queen ever attempted to use it to force Canadians to act outside of our own interests, we'd strip her of her power, plain and simple.

That would be interesting to see given royal assent on the change would still be necessary.
 

Jonny_C

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It is time to shed the antiquated, inbred, hillbilly hoax that is the monarchy. Even if they are just ceremonial they cost us way to much money for what & who they are.

In principle, I agree. I don't believe in so-called "royalty" and it doesn't fit in with democratic ideals.

But maybe we would end up creating a pseudo-royalty to replace it, like the Americans have done with their presidency.

It seems that we, as humans, need people we can idolize or otherwise invest with bigger-than-life significance. Actors, sports celebrities, there are so many people that the masses seem to love to put up on a pedestal.
 

SLM

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In principle, I agree. I don't believe in so-called "royalty" and it doesn't fit in with democratic ideals.

But maybe we would end up creating a pseudo-royalty to replace it, like the Americans have done with their presidency.

They didn't do that with the President. They did that with the Kardashians.

Love live the Queen. :D
 

WLDB

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But maybe we would end up creating a pseudo-royalty to replace it, like the Americans have done with their presidency.

They seem to be far more into celebrities than the President. Yes he is a celebrity too but far from the biggest.
 

JLM

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Because we don't want or need her or her kids. It is time to shed the antiquated, inbred, hillbilly hoax that is the monarchy. Even if they are just ceremonial they cost us way to much money for what & who they are.

Actually they generate more money for us than they cost us.
 

PoliticalNick

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Tourism. They tend to attract a lot of crowds which spend money.

How do you figure that. It cost us $30 million for Willy and Kate to honeymoon here. No way did they add that much to the economy. It cost us $1.5 million for one day for the queen on Canada day without adding in security costs. She did not get people to spend an extra $2 million. They just don't add the value you seem to think. People don't spend a lot more than usual, they just spend it in different locations at a different time.
 

JLM

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Just how do they do that?

When Will and Kate were here how many miles do you think people drove, flew or bussed just to see them? How many restaurant meals were bought, how many hotel rooms were rented, how many souvenirs were sold, how many photographs were taken? None of that stuff happens for free!

Tourism. They tend to attract a lot of crowds which spend money.

You got it figured!

. People don't spend a lot more than usual, they just spend it in different locations at a different time.

You can't suck and blow at the same time Nick! -:)
 

Sons of Liberty

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Exactly. Any authoritive roll held by Britain over Canada is purely ceremonial.

Britain doesn't hold any authority over Canada, but your Head of State clearly does;

In your Constitution Act of 1867, Part III, Section 9;

The Executive Government and Authority of and over Canada is hereby declared to continue and be vested in the Queen.

Unless I am missing something, Blackleaf seems to be correct, your monarch is not a figurehead, whether you like or not.
 

PoliticalNick

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Britain doesn't hold any authority over Canada, but your Head of State clearly does;

In your Constitution Act of 1867, Part III, Section 9;



Unless I am missing something, Blackleaf seems to be correct, your monarch is not a figurehead, whether you like or not.

I said that already. I don't think she has ever over-ruled legislation but it is well within her constitutional powers.