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Kreskin

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Did members of his administration not state in a letter somewhere that an event like Pearl Harbor would be a political catalyst for foreign affairs, Republican style? Whether or not they were involved with the event you know there were a few of them dancing jigs when 9-11 happened.
 

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Did members of his administration not state in a letter somewhere that an event like Pearl Harbor would be a political catalyst for foreign affairs, Republican style? Whether or not they were involved with the event you know there were a few of them dancing jigs when 9-11 happened.

I sincerely doubt any American was dancing a jig............most of that went on in the Muslim world.
 

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Did members of his administration not state in a letter somewhere that an event like Pearl Harbor would be a political catalyst for foreign affairs, Republican style? Whether or not they were involved with the event you know there were a few of them dancing jigs when 9-11 happened.
I don't know if the republicans were dancing jigs,but if you search the internet you can find lots of stories and videos of islamists dancing in the streets. Men only though.
 

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I sincerely doubt any American was dancing a jig............most of that went on in the Muslim world.
This event played into the hand of the NewAmericanCentury group. It is precisely what they needed to gain the political/electoral support for their agenda.
 

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No the 24 or more central steel collums that made up the internal frame work.?
That have less to do with the exoskeletal building and more to do with the elevator shafts. You mean those?

Bin laden was a scape goat for the war on terror, they thought this up months before, i dare say years before ,they knew that oil reserves would be getting low, so they had to find a way of stealing Iran's oil ,they enraged the public into thinking that Arabs did this ,thus getting the public support to start a war," false flag " the war on terror
Wouldn't it have been easier to stack the Supreme Court and win the court battle over the huge oil deposit in Alaska? Would have been cheaper.

say what you like your a idiot i can tell and no amount of proof will convice a fool will it fool
You got that right. Every piece of evidence you have posted, comes from a web page. Years of experience, scientifically credited analysts and experts. Pour thousands of hours into researching the collapse and you think some webmaster with an agenda, is somehow more credible?

Yep, you be the fool alright.
 

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Lier you a f**king lier

Oh im soo sorry were you the only one affected by this.? i dont think you are you selfish S**THEAD
Actually asshat, he lost a friend in the WTC on that very day. I've known ITN for years, as he's known I. As have many here, including the admin staff. Though our experience is just a typed post. Most have come to understand that we are what we are and we post from within. I have no doubt in ITN veracity, honesty or sincerity. As do most people around these parts.

I know he lost a friend, I know he was there. I know ITN. You don't.
Don't you realise that the Internet is a great place to find information it happens to be the biggest library there is plus people from around the world not just America use it and express there opinions on it, many other countries wanted to find out about the wtc collapse too, maybe you should take your head out of your A*se and find out
The internet is awash with misinformation, disinformation and pure bs. You've found most of it. Good work.

a quandary

a state of perplexity or doubt
Then the title suits you to a 'T'. You are doubtful and perplexed.
 
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Actually asshat, he lost a friend in the WTC on that very day. I've known ITN for years, as he's known I. As have many here, including the admin staff. Though our experience is just a typed post. Most have come to understand that we are what we are and we post from within. I have no doubt in ITN veracity, honesty or sincerity. As do most people around these parts.

I know he lost a friend, I know he was there. I know ITN. You don't.
The internet is awash with misinformation, disinformation and pure bs. You've found most of it. Good work.

Then the title suits you to a 'T'. You are doubtful and perplexed.

CDN Bear is DEAD ON.

ITN has been a long-time forum member here, he is a reasonable, intelligent, well-balanced individual, his posts are usually well worth reading, the people ere like and respect him.

We have no reason to doubt him.

CDN Bear is a steel worker, which in itself shows his level of expertise on steel and skyscrapers is miles past that of Quandry........

CDN has also been around for awhile, and posts reasoned, intelligent opinions.

Quandry comes on here, foaming at the mouth, launchig attacks in all directions in support of idiotic conspiracy theories, sending out insulting PMs, but blocking reception of replies, and calling down some of the best long time members of CC, all from across the pond. What a ****head!
 

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I sincerely doubt any American was dancing a jig............most of that went on in the Muslim world.

No mention of the Jews dancing in the streets ,you have shown your colours pal, your a Muslim hater, and your contempt for them shows through in your constant posts, if any ones in denial here pal its you. as your bias in this matter proves where your coming from
 

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That have less to do with the exoskeletal building and more to do with the elevator shafts. You mean those?

Wouldn't it have been easier to stack the Supreme Court and win the court battle over the huge oil deposit in Alaska? Would have been cheaper.

You got that right. Every piece of evidence you have posted, comes from a web page. Years of experience, scientifically credited analysts and experts. Pour thousands of hours into researching the collapse and you think some webmaster with an agenda, is somehow more credible?

Yep, you be the fool alright.

That have less to do with the exoskeletal building and more to do with the elevator shafts. You mean those?

No the internal structure of columns the ones in the center not elevator-shaft steel columns

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Wouldn't it have been easier to stack the Supreme Court and win the court battle over the huge oil deposit in Alaska? Would have been cheaper.

possibly cheaper but not what the prime directive of the event was set up to do which was to invade another country take control over their oilfield set up a puppet government have American bases nearer to eastern countries

You got that right. Every piece of evidence you have posted, comes from a web page. Years of experience, scientifically credited analysts and experts. Pour thousands of hours into researching the collapse and you think some webmaster with an agenda, is somehow more credible?

look Ive pasted different articles from lots of sources not just one and most of them have the agenda of finding out the truth unlike the commission's report which was total **** and you swallowed it hook line and sinker
 

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Actually asshat, he lost a friend in the WTC on that very day. I've known ITN for years, as he's known I. As have many here, including the admin staff. Though our experience is just a typed post. Most have come to understand that we are what we are and we post from within. I have no doubt in ITN veracity, honesty or sincerity. As do most people around these parts.

I know he lost a friend, I know he was there. I know ITN. You don't.
The internet is awash with misinformation, disinformation and pure bs. You've found most of it. Good work.

Then the title suits you to a 'T'. You are doubtful and perplexed.

Actually asshat, he lost a friend in the WTC on that very day. I've known ITN for years, as he's known I.
so really your just sticking up for your pal anit you

I have no doubt in ITN veracity, honesty or sincerity. As do most people around these parts.
In your bias opinion.!!!! and because you don't know me your saying you know better well F**KYOU PAL.!!! i care not what you think or whether you THINK ITN has any veracity, honesty this again is only your bias opinion again B/S

I know he was there
B/S

The internet is awash with misinformation, disinformation and pure bs.
MOSTLEY COMING FROM YOU GUYS HERE AT THE MINUTE especialy you.!!!!

Then the title suits you to a 'T'. You are doubtful and perplexed
it is doubtful that you who's name looks like your kid sister wrote it .
are you perplexed because you had to get her to read what a quandary is .
 

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CDN Bear is DEAD ON.

ITN has been a long-time forum member here, he is a reasonable, intelligent, well-balanced individual, his posts are usually well worth reading, the people ere like and respect him.

We have no reason to doubt him.

CDN Bear is a steel worker, which in itself shows his level of expertise on steel and skyscrapers is miles past that of Quandry........

CDN has also been around for awhile, and posts reasoned, intelligent opinions.

Quandry comes on here, foaming at the mouth, launchig attacks in all directions in support of idiotic conspiracy theories, sending out insulting PMs, but blocking reception of replies, and calling down some of the best long time members of CC, all from across the pond. What a ****head!

ITN has been a long-time forum member here, he is a reasonable, intelligent, well-balanced individual, his posts are usually well worth reading, the people ere like and respect him
and you just a c**ksucker m8 go suck his.!!!


We have no reason to doubt him.
is that the royal we your using here i find lots of doubt in him and i may add you also.!!

CDN Bear is a steel worker, which in itself shows his level of expertise on steel and skyscrapers is miles past that of Quandry

so that makes him qualify for what building steel. a glorified blacksmith, who does not know all there is to know about what happened, Ive shown other experts analysis, and you have rejected it out of hand, but because he says he's a steel worker, you all bow down to his superior knowledge ,do is see titles in front of his name PHDs no i don't ,so he knows not about jet airplanes fuel or it seems anything else his arguments about this are as miss informed as yours are colpy.!!! he is only
able to come up with his bias opinion as he you and itn are m8s that's clear ,i don't see anything apart from sarcasm from you lot and you own bias about me
 
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This event played into the hand of the NewAmericanCentury group. It is precisely what they needed to gain the political/electoral support for their agenda.

this is more to the picture
PNAC is a small group who claim to act on behalf of you and not the elites. They hold many of the key positions of power in the federal government. But really, these are the people who brought us:
* the war in Iraq
* plans for simultaneous, multiple wars
* legal 'justification' for torture
* the 'Patriot' Act, expanded presidential powers and reduced citizens' rights
* warmongering and war profiteering and on and on
In the past 5 years , only two well-known Americans have been videotaped publicly exposing the PNAC just this year: Helen Thomas "the first lady of the press" , & Stephen Colbert, the comedic anchor of the "Colbert Report" on Comedy Central
 

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No the internal structure of columns the ones in the center not elevator-shaft steel columns

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That's an excellent pic Quandary!!!

Now can I explain what you're looking at? As in all tall building construction, the crane towers use the elevator shafts to rise with the construction platform.

So, if you look at what you've posted, you will note that the tower cranes are doing just that. As that is the elevator bank of the WTC.

The columns you see there, are not tied to the exoskeleton in the conventional way. IE; by cross girder bracing. In stead, trusses were used to lighten the internal construction. With the external frame as the load bearing mechanism.

True, the internal columns were load bearing, but only in so much so that they took the load of their own weigh and the structure immediately above them. Not the span load.

This is evident in the last few seconds of the buildings survival, as we witnessed the exterior walls being pulled inward, when the trusses were weakened by the fire and the weight upon them. Seeing as their load was primarily bore to the exterior, this is perfectly reasonable and expected.

Had the central columns been more then the skeletal body of the center elevator shaft. You would not likely have seen this manifest as it did on the exterior.

But hey, all 'experts' found by your heroes, know better then the Engineers at one of the worlds for most leading construction firms, Mohawk High Steel, ThyssenKrupp and NIST.

possibly cheaper but not what the prime directive of the event was set up to do which was to invade another country take control over their oilfield set up a puppet government have American bases nearer to eastern countries
But why? If there is supposedly more oil in the Alaskan basin, why waste all the time, money and lives to get oil for a higher cost then can readily withdrawn here on our own continent?

look Ive pasted different articles from lots of sources not just one and most of them have the agenda of finding out the truth unlike the commission's report which was total **** and you swallowed it hook line and sinker
Actually I did, but that's neither here nor there. My issue is with the faulty science and bs experts foisted as god like by people like you.

I didn't swallow the official line. I went out and asked those that know, my local Fire Dept, High Steel workers that actually worked on the Twin Towers, Architects, Engineers, some of which have extensive knowledge of the Twin Towers as well. I myself have actually tried my own experiments with steel stronger then that used in the WTC. At just over 800 degrees, under only 10 tons of pressure, I made an 'H' beam buckle.

I challenge you to find anyone that can prove that, that out come isn't an absolute fact.

This is all as easy for you to do, as it was for me. I have yet to meet anyone, that wasn't forth right and open in discussing what their truly professional opinion was.

so really your just sticking up for your pal anit you
You bet.

In your bias opinion.!!!! and because you don't know me your saying you know better well F**KYOU PAL.!!! i care not what you think or whether you THINK ITN has any veracity, honesty this again is only your bias opinion again B/S
How is it bias?

Because I disagree with you?

Or because I'm just plain smarter and able to do my own research?

Of course it is, it confounds you.

MOSTLEY COMING FROM YOU GUYS HERE AT THE MINUTE especialy you.!!!!
I dare you to refute any of my assertions, claims and facts. Even the resident Engineer hasn't done that.

it is doubtful that you who's name looks like your kid sister wrote it .
Actually my youngest boy, who was 11 or 10 at the time came up with it. I was looking for a new nic and my name is Bear and I am Canadian.
are you perplexed because you had to get her to read what a quandary is .
Not at all. I figured you out the minute I read your first post, you're in a quandary. You have no idea what reality and it has left you wallowoing in doubt.
and you just a c**ksucker m8 go suck his.!!!
Wow, that was mature. Do you have a phallic obsessive complex?
is that the royal we your using here i find lots of doubt in him and i may add you also.!!
Again, of course you do, you have no idea what reality is, thus your grasping of half baked theories, complete with lies and vacuous nonsense to back them up.

so that makes him qualify for what building steel. a glorified blacksmith, who does not know all there is to know about what happened, Ive shown other experts analysis, and you have rejected it out of hand, but because he says he's a steel worker, you all bow down to his superior knowledge ,do is see titles in front of his name PHDs no i don't ,so he knows not about jet airplanes fuel or it seems anything else his arguments about this are as miss informed as yours are colpy.!!! he is only
able to come up with his bias opinion as he you and itn are m8s that's clear ,i don't see anything apart from sarcasm from you lot and you own bias about me
True, I'm no Phd, I'm no expert. But what I do know, I came to on my own research. Nothing was spoon fed me by some web site.

Here's the simplest thing you can do to start the ball of knowledge rolling in your head...

Call your local Fire Dept. and ask them if a dumpster fire can and will melt a dumpster...

I bet the answer will actually shock you, then cause you to claim they're cock suckers and in on the conspiracy. Or their my friends too. And that just negates their official knowledge.

 
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Accountability in C.I.A.’s 9/11 Report

By Mike Nizza
Tags: C.I.A., intelligence, iraq, terrorism, washington

Gen. Michael V. Hayden, the C.I.A. director, just released a public summary of the agency’s internal post-mortem on its performance before the Sept. 11 attacks.
In a news release paired with the document, the C.I.A. chief explained that he preferred to keep the document secret, urging “that we keep our focus on the present and the future.” But Congress ordered him last month to release the document as part of the approval of several 9/11 commission recommendations.
The inspector general’s report is titled “CIA Accountability With Respect to the 9/11 Attacks.” This paragraph, on the second page, appears to be the bottom line — no officers broke the law or faced formal review, but some work was rated as below “satisfactory”:

The full report, which can be downloaded from the agency’s web site here, details the less-than-satisfactory moments. The full story from The Times is here.
 

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Project Censored hosted physicist Steven E. Jones, Ph.D. on November 3 at Sonoma State University. Jones is a founding member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth (www.scholarsfor911truth.org) an organization of over 200 researchers who question the veracity of the US government's official 9/11 Commission Report.
Scholars in the group address a number of questions regarding 9/11 that remain unanswered: Why did the US government ignore numerous pre-warnings from multiple sources, including a team of US military data experts? Why did NORAD fail to intercept the hijacked jets despite more than adequate time to intercede? What is the likelihood that the 19 alleged terrorists acted without significant assistance?
Dr. Jones' research focuses on the collapse of World Trade Center building 7 (WTC7) at 5:20PM on September 11, 2001. Project Censored recognized Dr. Jones for this specific research in our Censored 2007 yearbook. At Sonoma State, Jones addressed over 250 people, and he emphasized that WTC7 was never hit by an airplane, suffered only minor debris damage from Tower 1, and fires burned on only a few of its floors. Yet, all 24 steel support columns in the building collapsed simultaneously, bringing the 47-story building down in 6.6 seconds (at free-fall speed) in its own footprint. Dr. Jones believes that demolition by military-grade thermite is the only possible explanation for the building's sudden, complete collapse. He reported that research on molten metal from the debris and analysis of WTC dust reveal chemical traces indicative of thermite reactions. At his SSU lecture, Dr. Jones was clear and adamant in stating that he does not know who placed thermite in the building. He has no conspiracy theory regarding who was involved. Nonetheless, the troubling implications of Dr. Jones' work have triggered widespread challenges, including the Press Democrat's front-page article on November 4th, which labeled him a "discredited academic."
Some scientists in the US (including two at SSU) have challenged Jones' research, but few have actually read or analyzed his work. Instead many prematurely dismiss Jones as a crazy conspiracy theorist, unworthy of consideration.
To the contrary, Jones has strong support from numerous academic researchers. The Scholars for 9/11 Truth website identifies two-dozen structural engineers, chemists, and physicists who support his demolition hypothesis. Furthermore, two professors of structural analysis and construction from The Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zürich (ETH) ? the Swiss equivalent of Cal Teech or MIT ? have recently expressed their support for Jones' conclusions. Dr. Hugo Bachmann stated on September 9, 2006 that, "WTC7 was, with the utmost probability, brought down by controlled demolition done by experts." Dr. Jörg Schneider also interprets the available videos of the building's collapse as indices that "WTC7 was, with the utmost probability, brought down by explosives."
When scientists dispute the interpretation of data regarding matters as important as the events of 9/11, it seems appropriate to us at Project Censored that a full review of the evidence take place. Inviting Jones to present his analyses for public consideration at Project Censored’s annual Media Accountability Conference is what universities seeking truth and scholarship should do, and hopefully will continue to do.
The weekend before his lecture at SSU, Dr. Jones spoke at the University of Colorado. On October 30, The Denver Post published a balanced news story about his presentation. The Press Democrat should hold itself to the same standards of journalistic professionalism and balance. Like Dr. Jones, we at Project Censored remain committed to raising unanswered questions about the official account of what happened on 9/11. The Press Democrat's readers, and our nation's democracy, should depend on no less.
 

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Still to be explained is the suppressed anomalous fact that al-Qaeda’s top trainer on airplane hijackings, Ali Mohamed, was simultaneously a double-agent reporting to the FBI, and almost certainly still maintained a connection to the CIA which had used him as an agent and helped bring him to this country in the 1980s.8 It is not disputed that Ali Mohamed organized the Embassy bombing in Kenya; and that he did so after the RCMP, who had detained him in Vancouver in the presence of another known terrorist, released Mohamed on instructions from the FBI.9
From this historic background of collaboration, I would offer a hypothesis for further investigation: that the American deep state is somehow implicated with al-Qaeda in the atrocity of 9/11; and that this helps explain the conspicuous involvement of the CIA and other U.S. agencies in the ensuing cover-up.
Sibel Edmonds, the Turkish-American who was formerly an FBI translator, has publicly linked both al-Qaeda and American officials to the Turkish heroin trafficking that underlies the Turkish deep state. Although she has been prevented from speaking directly by an extraordinary court order,10 her allegations have been summarized by Daniel Ellsberg:
Al Qaeda, she's been saying to congress, according to these interviews, is financed 95% by drug money - drug traffic to which the US government shows a blind eye, has been ignoring, because it very heavily involves allies and assets of ours - such as Turkey, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Afghanistan - all the 'Stans - in a drug traffic where the opium originates in Afghanistan, is processed in Turkey, and delivered to Europe where it furnishes 96% of Europe's heroin, by Albanians, either in Albania or Kosovo - Albanian Muslims in Kosovo - basically the KLA, the Kosovo Liberation Army which we backed heavily in that episode at the end of the century….Sibel says that suitcases of cash have been delivered to the Speaker of the House, Dennis Hastert, at his home, near Chicago, from Turkish sources, knowing that a lot of that is drug money.11
In 2005 Sibel Edmonds’ charges were partly aired in Vanity Fair. There it was revealed that she had had access to FBI wiretaps of conversations among members of the American-Turkish Council (ATC), about bribing elected US officials, and about "what sounded like references to large-scale drug shipments and other crimes."12
9/11: Not a Coup d’Etat, but One of a Series of American Deep Events
In 2003 Italian journalist Maurizio Blondet published a book entitled 11 settembre: colpo di stato (September 11th: A Coup d’Etat, [Milan, Effedieffe, 2002]).13 Over the years the view of 9/11 as a "coup d’état" has been endorsed by a number of observers, including Gore Vidal.14 In May 2008 a Google search for "coup d’état + 9/11" yielded 297,000 hits. One of the most recent hits, from Ed Encho, has suggested that the heart of the coup may have been the introduction on 9/11, without debate or even notice, of so-called "Continuity of Government" (COG) orders – secret orders still unknown but with constitutional implications.15 Unquestionably, as the 9/11 Commission Report states, COG, the fruit of two decades of secret Cheney-Rumsfeld collaboration, was implemented on 9/11.16 As we shall see, it is not clear just what this implied, either then or today. But journalists have claimed that earlier versions of COG plans involved suspension of the constitution.17
However to call 9/11 a coup d’état exaggerates the difference between the current weakened condition of the public state, and the prior state of affairs that has been building for years, indeed for decades, towards just such a dénouement. For half a century the constitution and laws of the open or public state have been first evaded, then eroded, then increasingly challenged and subverted, by the forces of the deep state. I wish to suggest that this erosion has been achieved in part through a series of important deep events in post-war American history – events aspects of which (it is clear from the outset) will be ignored or suppressed in the mainstream media.
 
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