why steven harper will make a good prime minister

[Colpy]

"I think that all the Indians should all be sent to Labrador, to all live together in peace and leave us in peace."

- Reform Party candidate Ricardo Lopez, The Montreal Gazette, June 4, 1988. In 2003 the Reform Alliance merged with the Progressive Conservative Party to create the Conservative Party of Canada.

Now here is a truely offensive, racist quote. Disgusting. Made in 1988 by a failed Reform Party candidate. Kinda reaching, aren't you, Rev?

"If a community decides this is how you're going to dress and these are the punishments, who are we to say [different]?"

- Cariboo-Chilcotin Conservative MP Phillip Mayfield when asked why he believed that the torture and imprisonment of women for not wearing a veil should not be grounds for granting asylum, The Globe and Mail, March 24, 1995.

Hardly racist, but supremely stupid. Made by a PC in 1995.

"That's my guess, yes, especially where you have alcohol and drugs and mix that with very short-term changing sexual relationships... There's a lot of jealousy... they [homosexuals] are vengeful, and their health isn't very good. [Skinheads bashing gays] is one kind of marginalized group doing its thing against another marginalized sub-group, which essentially has nothing to do with human rights before the law. It's purely one gang going against another gang."

- New Westminster-Coquitlam Conservative MP Paul Forseth opposing legislation to protect gays from hate crimes, March 18th 1995, House of Commons.

Yep. Very offensive. Made by a PROGRESSIVE CONSERVATIVE in 1995. According to you guys these people ALL became Liberals.
And this is still not racism.

"You can't scalp me because I haven't got much hair on top of my head."

- Saskatchewan Canadian Alliance candidate Brian Fitzpatrick during a native-organized candidates debate, November 2000.

Now this is a stupid joke. Not racist, just idiotic.

BTW, being against the mainstreaming of the homosexual lifestyle is not racist. It has nothing to do with racism.

I think, all things considered, Mandela is a good man. However, I find the mindless hero-worship of him offensive.

Most of the quotes you gave were simply people that disagree with you. God forbid the NDP ever get in power, we won't be allowed to have or express a politically incorrect opinion.

But there is NO doubt you have completely failed the challenge. There is not a single racist quote from Harper or Flanagan. Not a single indication any of these people would do away with public healthcare. You reach and misdirect, but you can not hit the target.

 

[Jay]

"God forbid the NDP ever get in power, we won't be allowed to have or express a politically incorrect opinion. "

You forgot we will all be in the poor house too.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Paul Forseth is the Member of Parliament for the federal riding of New Westminster-Coquitlam, and was re-elected for the fourth time to the House of Commons, June 2004. He is the Conservative Party lead on the “Standing Committee on Human Resources -Skills Development -Social Development and the -Status of Persons with Disabilities” and is Vice-Chair of the Committee. He was most recently, the Conservative Party Senior Critic for the Treasury Board (Minister Reg Alcock) and was Vice-Chair Government Operations and Estimates Standing Committee.

He's a sitting MP for the CPC, Colpy.

Now this is a stupid joke. Not racist, just idiotic.

I'll tell ya what, Colpy. Go sit in a room full of natives and make jokes about scalping and while you are in the hospital you can think about whether what you said was racist or not.

BTW, being against the mainstreaming of the homosexual lifestyle is not racist. It has nothing to do with racism.

No, it has to do with homophobia, bigotry, and trying to force your religious beliefs on those that do not share those beliefs.

But there is NO doubt you have completely failed the challenge. There is not a single racist quote from Harper or Flanagan. Not a single indication any of these people would do away with public healthcare. You reach and misdirect, but you can not hit the target.

Like I said in a post to No1, the attempt to frame the discussion in such a narrow way that you can hide behind technicalities is old and assumes that others are stupid. It is also inherently dishonest; wreaks of intellectual and moral cowardice; and, since Conservatives love to whine about people getting on technicalities, hypocritical.

If that's the best you've got, Colpy, I suggest that you go back to whoever gave you that poli-sci degree and ask for your money back.

 

[Colpy]

["]Paul Forseth is the Member of Parliament for the federal riding of New Westminster-Coquitlam, and was re-elected for the fourth time to the House of Commons, June 2004. He is the Conservative Party lead on the “Standing Committee on Human Resources -Skills Development -Social Development and the -Status of Persons with Disabilities” and is Vice-Chair of the Committee. He was most recently, the Conservative Party Senior Critic for the Treasury Board (Minister Reg Alcock) and was Vice-Chair Government Operations and Estimates Standing Committee
He's a sitting MP for the CPC, Colpy.

Well, one point for you, Rev. This guy is obviously a bit of a twit, and I didn't realize he was a sitting CPC member.

But, there are some idiots in every party..

But there is NO doubt you have completely failed the challenge. There is not a single racist quote from Harper or Flanagan. Not a single indication any of these people would do away with public healthcare. You reach and misdirect, but you can not hit the target.

Like I said in a post to No1, the attempt to frame the discussion in such a narrow way that you can hide behind technicalities is old and assumes that others are stupid. It is also inherently dishonest; wreaks of intellectual and moral cowardice; and, since Conservatives love to whine about people getting on technicalities, hypocritical.

I strand by what I say. You accuse the party of being inherently racist and that is BS. These are the guys that make and express party policy, and I want to see you prove them racist, or prove they have a secret agenda to destroy healthcare. It is no technicality that the target is fairly small, anyone can hit the side of any barn. I'm just asking you to prove your accusations are not baseless. You have failed to do so.

If that's the best you've got, Colpy, I suggest that you go back to whoever gave you that poli-sci degree and ask for your money back.

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I wish I could get my money back. I could use it.
I got my degree from UNB SJ .....Major in History, minor in Poly Sci........my GPA was 4.0........and YOUR credentials?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Well, one point for you, Rev. This guy is obviously a bit of a twit, and I didn't realize he was a sitting CPC member. Embarassed Embarassed

But, there are some idiots in every party..

The CPC has a huge percentage of idiots.

I strand by what I say.

More like you are stranded by what you say.

You accuse the party of being inherently racist and that is BS. These are the guys that make and express party policy, and I want to see you prove them racist, or prove they have a secret agenda to destroy healthcare.

Funny, I've had several Conservatives assure me that your party policies were written and voted on by the entire party.

It is no technicality that the target is fairly small, anyone can hit the side of any barn. I'm just asking you to prove your accusations are not baseless.

It is a technicality, and you know that it is. It's a familiar debating tactic and one used all to often by the radical right. It doesn't work anymore so you should try a different angle. You don't get to frame the debate here. This isn't Mississippi.

I wish I could get my money back. I could use it.
I got my degree from UNB SJ .....Major in History, minor in Poly Sci........my GPA was 4.0........and YOUR credentials?

Being beaten to bloody pulp because one of my friends objected to the speaker using the word "Paki" at a meeting when the Reform Party was just forming. Like I said, I've been around since the beginning.

Oh, BTW, the man who was spewing the racial epithets over 20 years ago was at your policy convention voting on CPC policy along with the rest of the delegates.

 

[Colpy]

Listen, Rev....there are idiots in every party.

Ernst Zundel ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party in 1968, I hardly think that makes them the Canadian Nazi Party.

My point is that the leadership of the CPC is not racist. The policy of the CPC is not racist.

There is no hidden agenda.

As I said before, baseless accusations do serious damage to the political process. Disagree all you like, but let's just stop mudslinging.

That you got into a brawl 20 years ago has nothing to do with national politics today. I've been around for awhile myself.

I used to vote NDP, many years ago.

I am not doctrinaire, I have voted for four different parties nationally, and I've even voted for the Liberals provincially.

This whole fight is an attempt to focus the discussion on policy.

Can we do that?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Listen, Rev....there are idiots in every party.

Ernst Zundel ran for the leadership of the Liberal Party in 1968, I hardly think that makes them the Canadian Nazi Party.

My point is that the leadership of the CPC is not racist. The policy of the CPC is not racist.

There is no hidden agenda.

Ernst Zundel was not voting on policy at the last Liberal convention though.

As I said before, baseless accusations do serious damage to the political process. Disagree all you like, but let's just stop mudslinging.

Hey, I was posting quotes. Your MPs sling the mud on themselves.

That you got into a brawl 20 years ago has nothing to do with national politics today. I've been around for awhile myself.

It wasn't a brawl, it was a room full of grown ups beating up kids for speaking out against racism. When those adults are still part of a party that's trying to become the government, it is still very pertinent today.

This whole fight is an attempt to focus the discussion on policy.

Can we do that?

Okay. What are your policies on racial profiling by our security agencies, racial profiling by the police, same sex marriage, women's rights, native issues, deep integration with the United States, the "safe third nation" status for refugees, AIDS in Africa, the legalisation of marijuana, safe injection sites and needle exchange programs, immigration, education, health care.

You want to discuss the issues, put 'em out there. You'd better be able to explain them though, as oppsed to trying to explain them away.

 

[TenPenny]

It is possible that Harper will make a good PM. But make this PM out of what? Glue? Sawdust? Or out of another person?

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Re: RE: why steven harper will make a good prime minister

It is possible that Harper will make a good PM. But make this PM out of what? Glue? Sawdust? Or out of another person?

:thumbright:

 

[Jay]

Another person I would say. Harper isn't the best leader available. There is no arguing that. I think he is a better leader than Martin, and Layton does seem to be the right fit for his party.

The conservatives from the west just have to realize the real game being played here. If Ontario decides it isn't going to be run out of the west at the moment, then guess what is going to happen.....

Once we have a suitable conservative leader from east of the Manitoba/Ontario boarder and west of the Ontario/Quebec boarder, a lot of soft conservative votes will be recaptured and more seats will be gained. The conservatives have some great ideas for mending the country, but Rome wasn’t built in a day.

I don’t expect the right will win the next election though, but I think it will grab a few more votes from Ontario than they did last time.

 

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

It would not surprise me if the Conservatives shoot themselves in the foot during this upcoming campaign.

Ralphie already started it and Harpers comments about Gomery being similar to Organized crime is just the start I think.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: why steven harper wil

It would not surprise me if the Conservatives shoot themselves in the foot during this upcoming campaign.

Ralphie already started it and Harpers comments about Gomery being similar to Organized crime is just the start I think.

You could be correct here. Unfortunately, the Conservatives are not very successful at gagging people. They mishandled the Klein situation, as Klein said nothing untrue, he just said in a way the Liberal spin doctors could misquote easily.

As for Quebec Liberals and organized crime, I'm not sure that is a falsehood, but it was silly for Harper to bring it up.

 

[Jay]

It is organized crime.

Organization: Liberal Party.

Crime: Stealing taxpayers money.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: why steven harper will make a good prime minister

It is organized crime.

Organization: Liberal Party.

Crime: Stealing taxpayers money.

Well said.

 

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

Not that I support Liberals. I vote NDP. Why are they ahead in all the polls? Why can't conservatives gain on this so called scandal?

 

[Jay]

I think it has a lot to do with regional differences in Canada.

 

[Colpy]

Somebody respectable obviously has faith in the Conservatives:

From the Conservative Party site:

Sponsorship Scandal Whistleblower Allan Cutler Seeks CPC Nomination in Ottawa South
23 November 2005
OTTAWA - Stephen Harper, Leader of the Opposition and leader of the Conservative Party of Canada, today announced that Allan Cutler will seek the Conservative Party of Canada’s nomination for the upcoming election in the riding of Ottawa South.

Mr. Cutler is well-known to Canadians as the career public servant who blew the whistle on the corruption at the heart of the sponsorship scandal in 1995 and lost his job as a result.

“Allan was singled out for praise by Judge Gomery in his report,” said Harper, “and some citizens have said he deserves the Order of Canada.”

“When Canadians go to the polls, the question they will face is simple: after twelve years of waste, mismanagement, and corruption, which party can provide the change in the system that is needed to clean up government in Ottawa?”

“I am honoured to announce that Mr. Cutler has decided to seek the nomination to become the next Conservative candidate in the riding of Ottawa South.”

The Conservative party is expected to set the date for a nomination meeting in Ottawa South shortly.

 

[Jay]

He must be a racist.

 

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

Blaming the Liberal party for Gomery is like blaming the whole Republican party for Watergate. A few did bad deeds but no need to blame everyone.

What I find interesting is the Cities of Vancouver ( a few out in suburbs but none in city), Toronto and Montreal do not have one conservative mp among them.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It is organized crime. Smile

Organization: Liberal Party.

Crime: Stealing taxpayers money.

Well said.

More mud-slinging? Are you guys really that afraid of discussing policy?

Okay, mud-slinging it is. Stephen Harper is a Nazi child molester who performs oral sex on goats.