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Colpy

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Reverend Blair said:
Jay said:
It is organized crime. Smile

Organization: Liberal Party.

Crime: Stealing taxpayers money.
Colpy said:
Well said.

More mud-slinging? Are you guys really that afraid of discussing policy?

Okay, mud-slinging it is. Stephen Harper is a Nazi child molester who performs oral sex on goats.

That's funny.

You remind me of Lyndon Johnson. Early in his carreer he accused an opponet of having sex with animals. When a shocked assistant complained the accusation was untrue and ludicrous, Johnson replied "I know. I just want to hear the SOB deny it."

Unfortunately, the above crack about the Liberals, although made in jest, is entirely true. The Liberals are organized, and they were VERY involved in the organized crime of stealing taxpayers' money in Quebec. Truth is not mudslinging.

Or did you miss Gomery?.

That said, it was a joke. Lighten up.
 

Jay

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It isn't mud slinging to say that Rev. It is the truth.

The Liberal Party was caught red handed. The mud slinging their supporters do have convinced people that even though the Liberal party are thieves, the conservatives would be worse. It is BS, and the Liberal Party needs to sit in the opposition for awhile.

I hope Layton gets some of his supporters back with their votes.

Mud slinging is what you did, what I did was mention a fact.
 

Reverend Blair

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Nah, since Martin was exonerated and you are offering nothing in the way of discussion, instead preferring to holler unsubstantited rumour like a pair of one note Johnnies with learning disabilities, all you are doing is slinging mud.

How come Harper's plan for addressing corruption deals only with Liberal corruption instead of the corrupting influence of outside money paying for advertising? How come Harper isn't changing the lobbying rules to include his beloved NCC, which does engage in lobbying activity?
 

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So Martin was exonerated, the whole thing is over. OK, whatever. I guess you want to lend that party your support; your choice.

I have both the Conservative and NDP web pages open. Which policy would you like to dicuss?
 

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Wow....small series of crisis’s just hit. I'm back though.


(6) Government appointments: Unfair and unethical patronage practice must stop in the appointment of thousands of officials to federal agencies, boards, commissions and Crown Corporations. The New Democratic Party proposes that the government develop skills and competence-related criteria for all government appointments, that these criteria be publicly released and that committees scrutinize appointments.

(7) Access to information: A recent bill introduced by Irwin Cotler contains proposals that would actually reduce Canadians access to information, virtually killing reform until after the next election. Canadians want more access to information about their government.


For starters, I can support these two from the ethics package of the NDP.
 

Colpy

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Yeah

If the Conservatives win a minority, they will have a hard time staying afloat.

Their only choice in maintaining their hold on power will be to "cherry pick" support from various parties on various issues.

One place where the Conservatives and NDP can work together is on ethics issues. They are not that far apart, and with a little give and take, could together create some good law and practise for Canadians.
 

Reverend Blair

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Actually the Conservatives are a long way apart on the ethics thing. The NDP package works as just that...a package. Set election dates make no difference without proportional representation. Changing the lobbying rules make no sense if there are loop-holes to allow groups like the NCC to lobby without registering.
 

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Show me ONE quote, one occassion where Stephen Harper calls for the abolition of public healthcare.
We are NOT talking about private delivery, but the absolute abolition of the public healthcare system.
JUST ONE QUOTE.....that's all I ask.....along with a link so we can find it.
Or an apology for your fear mongering.

Don't be obtuse, Colpy. As catchy as the slogan might be to the NCC, "We're going to abolish public healthcare, so vote Harper!" is hardly a vote winner in this country :roll: . Even Stephen has figured that one out, as has Ralph Klein. Let's face it, the rhetoric of all politicians is a stew of hypocrisy and euphimism.

Luckily, with Stephie, you don't have to read too far between the lines, especially when he makes clear his attitude to any government spending that might help the most vulnerable:

To set the tone, in 2002, he called Canada
"a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status,".


At the Hamilton Golf and Country Club in Ancaster, Ontario on May 24, 1994, Harper boasted of the Reform Party and the NCC:

“What has happened in the past five years? Let me start with the positive side... Universality [of Health Care access] has been severely reduced: it is virtually dead as a concept in most areas of public policy. The family allowance program has been eliminated and unemployment insurance has been seriously cut back…"

Of course as Colpy suggests, Harper's connection with the NCC had no real connection to politics. He probably changes his tune:

In 1997, Harper described in more detail the interconnected relationship between himself, the NCC, and the Reform Party:
"At the news conference which announced my appointment as vice-president of The National Citizens’ Coalition, I was asked whether the NCC was really just a branch of The Reform Party. This is a curious question. For 30 years now the NCC has been active in political debate. The Reform Party has been in existence for only the last 10 of those years. It would have been more logical to ask if the Reform Party were a branch of the NCC!…The agenda of the NCC was a guide to me as the founding policy director of Reform…Elected officials are constrained by the need for popularity every four to five years. The average one is consumed by the monthly opinion polls. The really bad ones worry about the approval of every group coming through their offices looking for a handout. Working with you in the NCC provides me with an opportunity to do much more – to fight for basic conservative values of free markets and free elections, whether fashionable at that moment or not…The battle for political and economic freedom will have its victories and its setbacks, as it has in the past. It will never end…and we shall never surrender."

When Paul Martin was damaging universal medicare in his (many believe) ill-designed ten years of cut-backs, the Liberal Party and government did not propose U.S.–style privatization of medicare – ever. But Stephen Harper was suggesting that a “fire-wall” be built around Alberta to protect it from “Canadian” medicare, and from the absolutely Canadian program of transfer payments set up to make sure ALL Canadians maintain a basic standard of living.
When Jean Chrétien was refusing to jump on the U.S. bandwagon to undertake an illegal, falsely-based, brutal, U.N.-disapproved war against Iraq, Stephen Harper urged Canada to go “shoulder to shoulder” with the U.S. And Stockwell Day couldn’t suppress his enthusiasm for the idea of sending Canadians into the U.S.-manufactured hell called the (endless) Iraq War.

Even in recent days, Preston Manning, failed leader of the Toxic Right and a senior fellow of the Fraser Institute, has made an argument (Globe and Mail Mar 11 05 A17) that we are betraying Canada’s war dead. How are we doing that? By not joining the U.S. in its insane and suicidal missile defence plan to control the world by military force. Not only is Manning willing to pervert and destroy Canadian language; he is willing to do so by claiming our war dead would want us to join U.S. frantic, brutal militarism.
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Since the inception of Reform, there has been a campaign to make Canada more business-friendly, more acquiescent to US demands and less concerned about its own citizens. The main political players have been Preston Manning, Ralph Klein,and Stephen Harper.

Keep in mind their connections to the Religious and Political Right in the US as well.
The Winds of Change conference, which took place in Calgary in May 1996, brought together approximately 70 leading right-wing thinkers and activists in an effort to bring unity to conservative forces before the next federal election, expected in 1997. The goal, according to organizer David Frum, was to discuss the prospects for a merger between the Reform and Progressive Conservative parties. The stark reality facing Conservatives is that a continued fracturing of the right-wing vote is likely to ensure not only a victory for Jean Chretien's Liberals in 1997 but that the Liberals remain in power indefinitely. Frum believed that a vigorous airing of views behind closed doors, steps to develop a common agenda, and the bon amie of personal contact would create the momentum that was needed.

Scary, isn'i it?

Harper has changed his rhetoric on the two issues that defined his tenure with the NCC and Reform: campaign finance and healthcare privatization, just prior to an election. Luckily, most Canadians don't trust him any more than I do. I wish there was a credible alternative.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Actually the Conservatives are a long way apart on the ethics thing. The NDP package works as just that...a package. Set election dates make no difference without proportional representation. Changing the lobbying rules make no sense if there are loop-holes to allow groups like the NCC to lobby without registering.

Details, details......these are the things that need to be worked out.

As for proportional representation, I want to see a change, although I am NOT willing to see the riding system go down the drain. We are far too big a country, with far too much power centred in Ontario and Quebec.

I would suggest the preferential ballot in ridings the same size as they are now, although I would be willing to consider any reasonable alternative.

I'm not sure why you think set election dates would be of no consequence without proportional representation. One would be good, both would be better.
 

Colpy

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Don't be obtuse, Colpy
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Okay, I'll try. :)

As catchy as the slogan might be to the NCC, "We're going to abolish public healthcare, so vote Harper!" is hardly a vote winner in this country :roll: . Even Stephen has figured that one out, as has Ralph Klein. Let's face it, the rhetoric of all politicians is a stew of hypocrisy and euphimism.

Strangely enough, when Harper was head of the NCC he was NOT a politician, he was NOT restricted in what he could say, and he did NOT ever advocate the abolishment of public health care.

Luckily, with Stephie, you don't have to read too far between the lines, especially when he makes clear his attitude to any government spending that might help the most vulnerable:

To set the tone, in 2002, he called Canada
"a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status,".

The thing is, he was quite correct. When Canadians brag about Canada, they talk about health care, We also brag about our economy, which is doing quite well. Meanwhile, we have sunk to second rate status on the world stage. I certainly don't see this quote as Harper saying he will wreck social services, unless of course, he is also threatening to wreck the economy. I think you've seriously misinterpreted the quote.

At the Hamilton Golf and Country Club in Ancaster, Ontario on May 24, 1994, Harper boasted of the Reform Party and the NCC:

“What has happened in the past five years? Let me start with the positive side... Universality [of Health Care access] has been severely reduced: it is virtually dead as a concept in most areas of public policy. The family allowance program has been eliminated and unemployment insurance has been seriously cut back…"

Good. Health care universality is simply unsustainable. Let the rich guys pay, if they want. Let's maintain the system for those unable to pay.

Of course as Colpy suggests, Harper's connection with the NCC had no real connection to politics. He probably changes his tune:

In 1997, Harper described in more detail the interconnected relationship between himself, the NCC, and the Reform Party:
"At the news conference which announced my appointment as vice-president of The National Citizens’ Coalition, I was asked whether the NCC was really just a branch of The Reform Party. This is a curious question. For 30 years now the NCC has been active in political debate. The Reform Party has been in existence for only the last 10 of those years. It would have been more logical to ask if the Reform Party were a branch of the NCC!…The agenda of the NCC was a guide to me as the founding policy director of Reform…Elected officials are constrained by the need for popularity every four to five years. The average one is consumed by the monthly opinion polls. The really bad ones worry about the approval of every group coming through their offices looking for a handout. Working with you in the NCC provides me with an opportunity to do much more – to fight for basic conservative values of free markets and free elections, whether fashionable at that moment or not…The battle for political and economic freedom will have its victories and its setbacks, as it has in the past. It will never end…and we shall never surrender."

Don't have a problem with that, simply Harper being honest.

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When Paul Martin was damaging universal medicare in his (many believe) ill-designed ten years of cut-backs, the Liberal Party and government did not propose U.S.–style privatization of medicare – ever. But Stephen Harper was suggesting that a “fire-wall” be built around Alberta to protect it from “Canadian” medicare, and from the absolutely Canadian program of transfer payments set up to make sure ALL Canadians maintain a basic standard of living.

I don't believe the firewall would have prevented Alberta from making payments out to the other provinces and the Feds, which they do, BTW, to the tune of $3,500 per person. I may be wrong, but the feds have the taxation power, so I can't see how.

When Jean Chrétien was refusing to jump on the U.S. bandwagon to undertake an illegal, falsely-based, brutal, U.N.-disapproved war against Iraq, Stephen Harper urged Canada to go “shoulder to shoulder” with the U.S. And Stockwell Day couldn’t suppress his enthusiasm for the idea of sending Canadians into the U.S.-manufactured hell called the (endless) Iraq War.

I've said before, I think our failure to join the other countries of the free, English speaking world in Iraq was a case of national cowardice. This is a very unpopular view, but I'm not running for offce.

Even in recent days, Preston Manning, failed leader of the Toxic Right and a senior fellow of the Fraser Institute, has made an argument (Globe and Mail Mar 11 05 A17) that we are betraying Canada’s war dead. How are we doing that? By not joining the U.S. in its insane and suicidal missile defence plan to control the world by military force. Not only is Manning willing to pervert and destroy Canadian language; he is willing to do so by claiming our war dead would want us to join U.S. frantic, brutal militarism.
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As we should have. Listen, missile defense is not about North Korea, or Iran, or some other idiot state. It is about CHINA

China is already in space. China is building her military by leaps and bounds, with an emphasis on nuclear missile technology. A Chinese diplomat already threatened to nuke Los Angeles if the Americans came to the defense of the democratic state of Taiwan.

No weapons in space? Talk about being obtuse! Of course there will be weapons in space, as soon as man can put them there. Nature of the beast. I'd like to see the free world get the jump on the Chinese.

Since the inception of Reform, there has been a campaign to make Canada more business-friendly, more acquiescent to US demands and less concerned about its own citizens. The main political players have been Preston Manning, Ralph Klein,and Stephen Harper.

Keep in mind their connections to the Religious and Political Right in the US as well.
The Winds of Change conference, which took place in Calgary in May 1996, brought together approximately 70 leading right-wing thinkers and activists in an effort to bring unity to conservative forces before the next federal election, expected in 1997. The goal, according to organizer David Frum, was to discuss the prospects for a merger between the Reform and Progressive Conservative parties. The stark reality facing Conservatives is that a continued fracturing of the right-wing vote is likely to ensure not only a victory for Jean Chretien's Liberals in 1997 but that the Liberals remain in power indefinitely. Frum believed that a vigorous airing of views behind closed doors, steps to develop a common agenda, and the bon amie of personal contact would create the momentum that was needed.

Scary, isn'i it?

Not a bit. I don't even see the Americans MENTIONED in this quote.

What scares the hell out of me is that Canadians have become so Chicken Little that a used-up, corrupt, undemocratic party with no vision can maintain its hold on power by pointing at the opposition a crying "the sky might fall".

If we had any cojones, we'd turf the bastards out, and take our chances.
 

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Lawyer's letter sent to Harper over corruption jab


a teaser:

The Liberals sent a lawyer's letter to Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's office, after the Tory Leader refused to say sorry for linking the Grits to organized crime.

Well the Conservative mudslinging is in action, thats all they know. They shoot their mouths off before they think what they are going to say.

I still predict someone in the conservative party will say something stupid and shoot the party in the foot during this campaign.
 

Reverend Blair

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What scares the hell out of me is that Canadians have become so Chicken Little that a used-up, corrupt, undemocratic party with no vision can maintain its hold on power by pointing at the opposition a crying "the sky might fall".

That sounds a hell of lot more like the Republican Party in the US and the support that Harper and his pals give to them.

Strangely enough, when Harper was head of the NCC he was NOT a politician, he was NOT restricted in what he could say, and he did NOT ever advocate the abolishment of public health care.

You are hiding behind semantics, Colpy. The NCC doesn't say that out in public because Canadians will object, but they do push policies that will lead to it. We're talking about an organisation that refuses to say where their money comes from, how much money they have, or where they spend that money. If they've got nothing to hide, why the secrecy? And why would they back lawsuits to keep the the undue influence of undemocratic entities able to influence our democtratic institutions?

Good. Health care universality is simply unsustainable. Let the rich guys pay, if they want. Let's maintain the system for those unable to pay.

It is not only sustainable, but it is sustainable at lower prices than the private sector can offer. It also offers us an advantage in attracting business because they don't have to shoulder private health care costs in their benefit plans.

I wonder how much of the NCC's money comes from insurance providers?

Don't have a problem with that, simply Harper being honest.

It contradicts your previous assertion that, "Strangely enough, when Harper was head of the NCC he was NOT a politician...." Clearly, Harper saw the NCC as way to promote his political goals, albeit undemocratically.

I've said before, I think our failure to join the other countries of the free, English speaking world in Iraq was a case of national cowardice. This is a very unpopular view, but I'm not running for offce.

The party that you support clearly shares that unpopular view though. They are running for office and you are trying to convince us to vote for them.

As we should have. Listen, missile defense is not about North Korea, or Iran, or some other idiot state. It is about CHINA

First, it is being sold as protection against a rogue state like North Korea or Iran. Second, if it worked as advertised (which it doesn't), it would still be overwhelmed by a mass attack especially if that attack had decoys in it. The Chinese and the Russians announced that they'd develop a system to defeat BMD as soon as the Americans announced they were going ahead with it. You are vocally supporting a new arms race and demanding that Canada take part in it.
 

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The NCC doesn't say that out in public because Canadians will object, but they do push policies that will lead to it. We're talking about an organisation that refuses to say where their money comes from, how much money they have, or where they spend that money. If they've got nothing to hide, why the secrecy? And why would they back lawsuits to keep the the undue influence of undemocratic entities able to influence our democtratic institutions?

Personally, I believe in free speech, no matter how much, or how little money you have. I think any political party worth the name gets enough cash to get their message out. I can't see why organizations are not allowed to speak.. It is, in my book, outrageous that anyone, or any organization should be muzzled. All the gag law achieves is it leaves the government with a terrific advantage.

Good. Health care universality is simply unsustainable. Let the rich guys pay, if they want. Let's maintain the system for those unable to pay.

It is not only sustainable, but it is sustainable at lower prices than the private sector can offer. It also offers us an advantage in attracting business because they don't have to shoulder private health care costs in their benefit plans.

I disagree that a totally public system is sustainable. Look at the schedule of essential surgery......wait times about 6 months.......and Martin's $41 Billion dollar "fix for a generation" in its first year lowered those wait times by one day An article in the National post recently put the increase in health care costs at between 7 and 8 percent per year, and that does not take into consideration our aging population, or any attempt at improving wait times. AND if you believe the public sector can provide services cheaper than the private sector.....I've got swampland in Charlotte County for sale.

As we should have. Listen, missile defense is not about North Korea, or Iran, or some other idiot state. It is about CHINA

First, it is being sold as protection against a rogue state like North Korea or Iran. Second, if it worked as advertised (which it doesn't), it would still be overwhelmed by a mass attack especially if that attack had decoys in it. The Chinese and the Russians announced that they'd develop a system to defeat BMD as soon as the Americans announced they were going ahead with it. You are vocally supporting a new arms race and demanding that Canada take part in it.
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It is being sold as defense against a rogue state....saying it was a defense against a huge trading paertner would be impolite, now wouldn't it?

It doesn't work YET, of course. The program is to develop a defensive network over decades, with constantly improving technology, hopefully able to shield against massive attack. Military history consists of developments that change the advantage from offensive to defensive, and back again. The offensive advantage of ICBMs may soon disappear.

As for the arms race, it is already left the starting block. The Chinese have been devoting immense time, money, and energy to developing a large ICBM system. The stupid thing to do would be stand at the starter's block and watch them dissappear around the corner. Sooner or later they'll round the track, come up behind, and knock us on our ass.

On top of all that, all the Yanks wanted was us to say "yes". No money, no missiles on Canadian turf, no nothing. Just "yes" like the REST of the western world has already done.

Sooner or later we should stop sticking our thumbs in their eyes for no particular reason.
 

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no1important said:
Lawyer's letter sent to Harper over corruption jab


a teaser:

The Liberals sent a lawyer's letter to Conservative Leader Stephen Harper's office, after the Tory Leader refused to say sorry for linking the Grits to organized crime.

Well the Conservative mudslinging is in action, thats all they know. They shoot their mouths off before they think what they are going to say.

I still predict someone in the conservative party will say something stupid and shoot the party in the foot during this campaign.

Yeah, and I guess I should say OOPS over "the Liberal party is an organization, it steals the taxpayers' money, it is organized crime" . I defended that as a joke, went downstairs, turned on the news, and saw John Reynolds saying exactly the same thing.

NO JOKE.

However, if you paid close attention to the Gomery testimony, it doesn't seem that far-fetched.
 

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I disagree that a totally public system is sustainable. Look at the schedule of essential surgery......wait times about 6 months.......and Martin's $41 Billion dollar "fix for a generation" in its first year lowered those wait times by one day An article in the National post recently put the increase in health care costs at between 7 and 8 percent per year, and that does not take into consideration our aging population, or any attempt at improving wait times. AND if you believe the public sector can provide services cheaper than the private sector.....I've got swampland in Charlotte County for sale.

Seems pretty simple doesn't it Colpy? Maybe socialists just don't get the math: cost increase above and beyond GDP growth is simply not sustainable.
 

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Yeah, and I guess I should say OOPS over "the Liberal party is an organization, it steals the taxpayers' money, it is organized crime" . I defended that as a joke, went downstairs, turned on the news, and saw John Reynolds saying exactly the same thing.

Typical Conservative scandal mongering based on rumours that they start themselves. You should say more than "Oops, I was just joking," for getting involved in it, Colpy. You should draft an open letter to Reynolds and Harper telling them to smarten the hell up.

Personally, I believe in free speech, no matter how much, or how little money you have. I think any political party worth the name gets enough cash to get their message out. I can't see why organizations are not allowed to speak.. It is, in my book, outrageous that anyone, or any organization should be muzzled. All the gag law achieves is it leaves the government with a terrific advantage.

We're not talking about speech though, Colpy. We're talking about buying access to government and running huge advertising campaigns. That undermines democracy, gives us a virtual oligarchy. You can yell and stamp your feet and call it free speech, but what it really is is corruption.

I disagree that a totally public system is sustainable.

I don't know about you, Colpy, but I only have one wallet. No matter what, I'm paying for healthcare from that wallet. Now I can pay for it by giving some money to the government and be guaranteed that I'm covered, or I can pay more by giving it to private insurance providers and find out that I'm not actually covered just when I need the care the most. If a public system isn't sustainable, then a private system isn't either.

Look at the schedule of essential surgery......wait times about 6 months.......and Martin's $41 Billion dollar "fix for a generation" in its first year lowered those wait times by one day An article in the National post recently put the increase in health care costs at between 7 and 8 percent per year, and that does not take into consideration our aging population, or any attempt at improving wait times.

These are all spun numbers though...looking at worst case scenarios then claiming them to be true everywhere. You're also looking at Martin's plan and not the NDP's plan.

Wanna hear a funny story? My wife went in for a procedure. She waited about three weeks for it. Due to some twists and turns in her arteries they could not complete the procedure, she needed an operation instead. That happened three weeks after the procedure that couldn't be completed. She's at home now, recuperating.

Wanna hear another funny story? This one's from a few years ago, before things started getting better. It took years for my grandfather to get a new hip. Thing is that he kept cancelling the surgery because it was seeding or harvest or sombody had a funeral. When you do that, you end up at the bottom of the list. When it reached the point when he really needed a new hip badly...when it was affecting his quality of life to the point where he couldn't sit on a tractor...they got him in within a few weeks and worked that around my mother's schedule so she could get him in.

I have a few other funny stories like that. People with cancer, people with Alzheimer's, people who are getting older and sicker all of the time...whatever. Somehow when the care is really needed, the care is there.

Waiting times are coming down and and new ways are being found to bring them down all the time.

AND if you believe the public sector can provide services cheaper than the private sector.....I've got swampland in Charlotte County for sale.

I'll keep that in mind when I go to pay my electricity bill in the province that has the cheapest electricity in the country. By the way, Manitoba Hydro is so efficient that not only is our electricity cheap, but it also subsidizes our gas for heating and keeps that cheap.

Shove your privatisation bullshit in the trash with the rest of the corporate lies.

It is being sold as defense against a rogue state....saying it was a defense against a huge trading paertner would be impolite, now wouldn't it?

So you admit that your heroes are lying to us.

It doesn't work YET, of course.

Physicists say it likely never will. I'll trust their judgement over yours, thanks.

As for the arms race, it is already left the starting block.

Nice try. The Chinese started their program in response to what the US was doing. Before that MAD was still keeping things balanced. The US is developing BMD as part of the Bush regimes search for first strike capability. They have said as much. You want us to join in that? Piss off.

On top of all that, all the Yanks wanted was us to say "yes". No money, no missiles on Canadian turf, no nothing. Just "yes" like the REST of the western world has already done.

What they wanted was some political legitimacy granted from a country that has worked towards disarmament as part of its long-term policy. Your name and reputation might be for sale, but mine isn't.
 

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Another funny story

I had an unexplained chest pain a few weeks ago. Three days later after some tests, I had a procedure done (angioplasty)three days later.

My neighbor had a massive heart attack. Two days later he had quintuple by-pass surgery.

Another neighbor had a sudden onset of chest pain. Within a week she had open heart surgery to repair a heart valve.

Six month wait times are mostly fiction, probably all fiction.
 

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I know...the biggest problem I have with doctors right now is that they don't take long enough. I haven't paid the parking ticket from the last time I was there and they want me to go back. It seems I fascinate them.
 

Reverend Blair

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I had an unexplained chest pain a few weeks ago. Three days later after some tests, I had a procedure done (angioplasty)three days later.

I hope you are recovering nicely and all that. My mother had a heart thing a while ago and they got her taken care of right away. The last time I saw her she was jogging up and down stairs with laundry in her arms and a smoke in her mouth, so I assume they did a good job. 8O