why steven harper will make a good prime minister

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

The thing is too gay marriage and abortion aren't whats on a lot of peoples mind in this country unlike America.

Health care, Crime, debt, economy seem to be things on peoples minds not the rhetoric that Harper spills.

 

[hondacom]

Harper is a joke with his phony smile. He would destroy this country.

 

[MMMike]

Harper is a joke with his phony smile. He would destroy this country.

...because of his phony smile??

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

No, he would destroy the country with his policies. The phoney snile is just there to help cover his hidden agenda.

 

[Jay]

BS...liberals and their version of federalism are destroying this country...and it doesn't show any signs of stopping.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

Destroying this country? We are growing, beating other G-7 countries, not involved in any illegal wars, and getting richer all the time.

The Liberals are doing a poor job dealing with poverty and other social issues and are shirking our international responsibilites. They are messing up big time with their deep integration with the US.

Their mistakes are the things that the Conservatives would do even faster and harder though.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: why steven harper will make a good prime minister

Unfortunately, I didn't save them and they since been taken down, but Harper wrote forceful articles for the National Citizens' Coalition (scummy lobby group for the rich and amoral) denouncing public healthcare and describing why it should be abolished.

Now that he's running for office, he's trying to paint himself as a supporter of the current system. Some of his other hypocrsies are in Rev's post.

Okay, you and I will fight the same fight on this subject Rev and I are fighting on accusations of racism........although Rev seems to have retired from the field.

Show me ONE quote, one occassion where Stephen Harper calls for the abolition of public healthcare.

We are NOT talking about private delivery, but the absolute abolition of the public healthcare system.

JUST ONE QUOTE.....that's all I ask.....along with a link so we can find it.

Or an apology for your fear mongering.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

He headed the NCC, Colpy. It was formed to privatise healthcare. That's it's main reason for existing.

I never retired on the racism thing either. You tried to take my words out of context and asked for a Harper quote proving that the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives were racist. The racism I was talking about was in Flanagan's book though, and that was clear in my post.

I never retired, I got tired of dealing with a corrupt mental midget.

 

[Colpy]

Re: RE: why steven harper wil

He headed the NCC, Colpy. It was formed to privatise healthcare. That's it's main reason for existing.

That WAS it's main reason for existing, in the 1960s. Look at a calendar, Rev. It's 40 years later. AND if the NCC's reaon d'etre is still the same, the quotes I asked for should be easily found. But you can't find them because you are engaged in baseless fear mongering.

I never retired on the racism thing either. You tried to take my words out of context and asked for a Harper quote proving that the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives were racist. The racism I was talking about was in Flanagan's book though, and that was clear in my post.

You've been calling the Conservatives racist long before Flanagan came up, and if you go back and read my posts, you'll see that I challenged you to come up with an overtly racist quote from either Harper OR Flanagan. You have failed to do so, because you are not interested in political dialogue, you have simply been engaging in baseless fear mongering.

I never retired, I got tired of dealing with a corrupt mental midget

Now, now Rev, if you wish to get nasty, you're dealing with the wrong person. Name calling is for the kindergarten playground. If you wish to be treated as an adult, try and keep a civil tongue in your head.

Getting a little frustrated, are we?

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

Give it up Colpy. You know your party is racist, I know your party is racist.

We also know that the NCC and the Fraser Institute, the Conservative Party's other pet disinformation agency, have spoken for the privatisation of health care in Canada.

So the question becomes why are you and the Conservative Party afraid to stand up and tell the truth about your policies?

 

[Reverend Blair]

Some Quotes from random Reform/Alliance/Conservatives:

"I wanted to make a scene about that but I never did. Instead I ran for Parliament and came here with one real good purpose which is to stop the funding for this kind of obscenity. It has no market in Canadian society. We need to stop it. It is no wonder we have all the violence against women and children when we have a publicly funded radio promoting it."

- Conservative Agriculture critic Ken Epp on how the "obscenity" on CBC Radio is causing violence against women and children, Nov. 18 1997, Hansard.

"Then came the mandarin from Manitoba [Lloyd Axworthy], the whiner from Winnipeg who now lavishes upon himself as the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He has begged for political pork, dined diplomats and grovelled for government goodies. Who could forget the hyena from Hamilton [Sheila Copps] who shrieked and shrilled her way under the public's skin..."

- Conservative Defence critic Rob Anders, trained to work in dirty tricks by the U.S. Republican Party, in his first ever speech to the House of Commons, Oct. 2, 1997 Hansard.

"Mr. Speaker, I was saying I was unfortunate while I was in Florida over Christmas to get kidney stones. I had to go into a hospital in Florida. The service levels were spectacular. It really put to shame what happens in my riding in North Vancouver with socialist medicine. I do not think there is any harm in having some competition."

- Conservative Democratic Reform critic Ted White, Feb. 23, 1998, Hansard.

"I think that all the Indians should all be sent to Labrador, to all live together in peace and leave us in peace."

- Reform Party candidate Ricardo Lopez, The Montreal Gazette, June 4, 1988. In 2003 the Reform Alliance merged with the Progressive Conservative Party to create the Conservative Party of Canada.

"If a community decides this is how you're going to dress and these are the punishments, who are we to say [different]?"

- Cariboo-Chilcotin Conservative MP Phillip Mayfield when asked why he believed that the torture and imprisonment of women for not wearing a veil should not be grounds for granting asylum, The Globe and Mail, March 24, 1995.

"I'm not going to deprive my constituents of money that's out there."

- Conservative MP Bob Mills (Red Deer) referring to his hypocritical efforts to get $64,250 of federal funding for a walkway, stage and fountain, 2000.

"Let's lower the age to ten."

- Conservative MP Myron Thompson, commenting on the age at which he believes one should be tried as an adult, at a Vernon, BC meeting.

"Rob is a true reformer and a true conservative. He has been a faithful supporter of mine and I am grateful for his work."

- Stephen Harper endorsing Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders, who in 2001 called Nelson Mandela "a Communist and terrorist."

"I do support the idea of private health care."

- Jason Kenney, Conservative Party critic on Canada-U.S. Relations, October 31st 2000.

"What happens if a boatload [of immigrants] comes over from wherever and decides that they want to to cast ballots?"

- Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders expressing opposition to landed immigrants having the right to vote in candidate nomination races, Edmonton Journal, October 2, 2000.

"The Canadian Alliance simply couldn't support the tone and overall direction of a Report that failed to recognize the tremendous gains that manufacturers and user groups of pesticides have been making for years to make human health and safety their top priority. 'Stakeholders - in particular, manufacturers, agriculture producers, and other user groups - have been taking extraordinary measures to promote a safe, transparent, and effective regulatory system in a co-operative way with the PMRA. These efforts have been largely ignored in the Committee's Report."

- Rahim Jaffer, Canadian Alliance MP, defending polluting corporations, Commons Environment Committee, September 16th 2000.

"They don't want to do like their ancestors did and work for a living and go where the jobs are. Probably, [we] won't go over as well there ... The simple reason is that eastern provinces believe in handouts and 'Give me a cheque for doing nothing.'"

- John Mykytyshyn, Canadian Alliance executive member, as quoted in the Halifax Chronicle-Herald, August 14th 2000.

"No merger, [or] joint candidates w[ith] Alliance."

- The first clause of the agreement between Peter MacKay and David Orchard which secured MacKay the PC Party leadership on May 31st, 2003. MacKay reneged on the deal soon afterward.

"You’re being told this is good and normal and that you shouldn’t think that there’s anything wrong with it, which is what’s happening to our young people now in our schools. So they start looking and they start checking and they start experimenting, and this is what I’m talking about . . . an orchestrated recruitment plan. So you back it down to the impressionable and vulnerable and then bring it all the way through their life, and you know, this is quite understandable how this can happen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.

"The [homosexual] activists that organized in those days [encouraged] people of their persuasion to enter into educational fields, and to do this with the feeling of a mission, you know, of going out there as pioneers in a -- quote-- human rights area, and I think they were successful as we've seen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer, speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.

"I do believe it was a mistake to have legalized it."

- Canadian Alliance family issues critic Larry Spencer speaking about homosexuality, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003. The U.S.-born former Baptist pastor also argued that the gay-rights movement’s recent successes in areas like same-sex marriage stem from a "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy.

"I don't think that, you know, anybody would argue that if Nelson Mandela was saying, you know, 30 years ago, that you should go around with matches and necklaces and strangle people or burn them out of their homes, that is not terrorism."

- Conservative MP Rob Anders after blocking a resolution to declare former South African president Nelson Mandela an honorary Canadian citizen, June 11, 2001. Anders also implied that South Africa was better off during Apartheid than it is today.

"[Honouring Nelson Mendela is a] total political-correctness poster-boy thing... He was a Communist. He was a terrorist... The Liberals always deprive us unanimous consent on all sorts of provisions. They wouldn't allow us to honour the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen with regard to their wedding anniversary..."

- Conservative MP Rob Anders, explaining why he voted against a resolution to make former South African president Nelson Mendela an honourary Canadian citizen, June 6th, 2001.

This is kind of FUN!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Some Quotes from random Reform/Alliance/Conservatives:

"I wanted to make a scene about that but I never did. Instead I ran for Parliament and came here with one real good purpose which is to stop the funding for this kind of obscenity. It has no market in Canadian society. We need to stop it. It is no wonder we have all the violence against women and children when we have a publicly funded radio promoting it."

- Conservative Agriculture critic Ken Epp on how the "obscenity" on CBC Radio is causing violence against women and children, Nov. 18 1997, Hansard.

"Then came the mandarin from Manitoba [Lloyd Axworthy], the whiner from Winnipeg who now lavishes upon himself as the Minister of Foreign Affairs. He has begged for political pork, dined diplomats and grovelled for government goodies. Who could forget the hyena from Hamilton [Sheila Copps] who shrieked and shrilled her way under the public's skin..."

- Conservative Defence critic Rob Anders, trained to work in dirty tricks by the U.S. Republican Party, in his first ever speech to the House of Commons, Oct. 2, 1997 Hansard.

"Mr. Speaker, I was saying I was unfortunate while I was in Florida over Christmas to get kidney stones. I had to go into a hospital in Florida. The service levels were spectacular. It really put to shame what happens in my riding in North Vancouver with socialist medicine. I do not think there is any harm in having some competition."

- Conservative Democratic Reform critic Ted White, Feb. 23, 1998, Hansard.

"I think that all the Indians should all be sent to Labrador, to all live together in peace and leave us in peace."

- Reform Party candidate Ricardo Lopez, The Montreal Gazette, June 4, 1988. In 2003 the Reform Alliance merged with the Progressive Conservative Party to create the Conservative Party of Canada.

"If a community decides this is how you're going to dress and these are the punishments, who are we to say [different]?"

- Cariboo-Chilcotin Conservative MP Phillip Mayfield when asked why he believed that the torture and imprisonment of women for not wearing a veil should not be grounds for granting asylum, The Globe and Mail, March 24, 1995.

"I'm not going to deprive my constituents of money that's out there."

- Conservative MP Bob Mills (Red Deer) referring to his hypocritical efforts to get $64,250 of federal funding for a walkway, stage and fountain, 2000.

"Let's lower the age to ten."

- Conservative MP Myron Thompson, commenting on the age at which he believes one should be tried as an adult, at a Vernon, BC meeting.

"Rob is a true reformer and a true conservative. He has been a faithful supporter of mine and I am grateful for his work."

- Stephen Harper endorsing Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders, who in 2001 called Nelson Mandela "a Communist and terrorist."

"I do support the idea of private health care."

- Jason Kenney, Conservative Party critic on Canada-U.S. Relations, October 31st 2000.

"What happens if a boatload [of immigrants] comes over from wherever and decides that they want to to cast ballots?"

- Calgary West Conservative MP Rob Anders expressing opposition to landed immigrants having the right to vote in candidate nomination races, Edmonton Journal, October 2, 2000.

"The Canadian Alliance simply couldn't support the tone and overall direction of a Report that failed to recognize the tremendous gains that manufacturers and user groups of pesticides have been making for years to make human health and safety their top priority. 'Stakeholders - in particular, manufacturers, agriculture producers, and other user groups - have been taking extraordinary measures to promote a safe, transparent, and effective regulatory system in a co-operative way with the PMRA. These efforts have been largely ignored in the Committee's Report."

- Rahim Jaffer, Canadian Alliance MP, defending polluting corporations, Commons Environment Committee, September 16th 2000.

"They don't want to do like their ancestors did and work for a living and go where the jobs are. Probably, [we] won't go over as well there ... The simple reason is that eastern provinces believe in handouts and 'Give me a cheque for doing nothing.'"

- John Mykytyshyn, Canadian Alliance executive member, as quoted in the Halifax Chronicle-Herald, August 14th 2000.

"No merger, [or] joint candidates w[ith] Alliance."

- The first clause of the agreement between Peter MacKay and David Orchard which secured MacKay the PC Party leadership on May 31st, 2003. MacKay reneged on the deal soon afterward.

"You’re being told this is good and normal and that you shouldn’t think that there’s anything wrong with it, which is what’s happening to our young people now in our schools. So they start looking and they start checking and they start experimenting, and this is what I’m talking about . . . an orchestrated recruitment plan. So you back it down to the impressionable and vulnerable and then bring it all the way through their life, and you know, this is quite understandable how this can happen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.

"The [homosexual] activists that organized in those days [encouraged] people of their persuasion to enter into educational fields, and to do this with the feeling of a mission, you know, of going out there as pioneers in a -- quote-- human rights area, and I think they were successful as we've seen."

- Canadian Alliance MP Larry Spencer, speaking about the "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003.

"I do believe it was a mistake to have legalized it."

- Canadian Alliance family issues critic Larry Spencer speaking about homosexuality, Vancouver Sun, November 27, 2003. The U.S.-born former Baptist pastor also argued that the gay-rights movement’s recent successes in areas like same-sex marriage stem from a "well-orchestrated" homosexual conspiracy.

"I don't think that, you know, anybody would argue that if Nelson Mandela was saying, you know, 30 years ago, that you should go around with matches and necklaces and strangle people or burn them out of their homes, that is not terrorism."

- Conservative MP Rob Anders after blocking a resolution to declare former South African president Nelson Mandela an honorary Canadian citizen, June 11, 2001. Anders also implied that South Africa was better off during Apartheid than it is today.

"[Honouring Nelson Mendela is a] total political-correctness poster-boy thing... He was a Communist. He was a terrorist... The Liberals always deprive us unanimous consent on all sorts of provisions. They wouldn't allow us to honour the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen with regard to their wedding anniversary..."

- Conservative MP Rob Anders, explaining why he voted against a resolution to make former South African president Nelson Mendela an honourary Canadian citizen, June 6th, 2001.

This is kind of FUN!

 

[Reverend Blair]

Oh, what the hell...I'm not tired yet. :wink:

"Old age security is welfare for the aged."

- Conservative MP Paul Forseth, Vancouver Sun, October 6th 1993.

"That's my guess, yes, especially where you have alcohol and drugs and mix that with very short-term changing sexual relationships... There's a lot of jealousy... they [homosexuals] are vengeful, and their health isn't very good. [Skinheads bashing gays] is one kind of marginalized group doing its thing against another marginalized sub-group, which essentially has nothing to do with human rights before the law. It's purely one gang going against another gang."

- New Westminster-Coquitlam Conservative MP Paul Forseth opposing legislation to protect gays from hate crimes, March 18th 1995, House of Commons.

"The danger in having sexual orientation just listed, that encompasses for example pedophiles. I believe that the caucus as a whole would like to see it repealed."

- Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant on CTV News, June 5th 2004, attacking proposed hate propaganda legislation that would protect homosexuals.

"You can't scalp me because I haven't got much hair on top of my head."

- Saskatchewan Canadian Alliance candidate Brian Fitzpatrick during a native-organized candidates debate, November 2000.

"For instance, I'm not opposed to gays, but if you bring one of those suckers into my school and they try to push their crap on my students, I have a problem with that. "

- MP Myron Thompson opposing education promoting understanding of gays in the Belleville Intelligencer, April 29th 1994.

"When you go into the issue of homosexuals and lesbians it's in the interest of society to have the right to discriminate against that group in areas of ... schools is one that comes to mind."

- Conservative Party Natural Resources critic Dave Chatters arguing in favour of discrimination against gays on a radio station in Westlock, Alberta, on April 30th 1996.

"I want the whole world to know that I do not condone homosexuals. I do not condone their activity. I do not like what they do. I think it is wrong. I think it is unnatural and I think it is totally immoral. I will object to it forever whenever they attack the good, traditional Canadian family unit that built the country."

- MP Myron Thompson.

"Do you notice that in Toronto there has been increased crime from certain groups, like Jamaicans? "

- Calgary Northeast MP Art Hanger during a get-acquainted tour of Toronto's ethnic communities, to a storekeeper about crime, quoted in the Edmonton Journal, March 14th 1994.

"That should be a no-brainer, shouldn't it?"

- Conservative Health Critic James Lunney stating that a 'parrallel' system of private health care services should be available to take pressure off the public system and reduce waiting lists, Vancouver Sun, February 21th 2001.

"I do not think anybody really disagrees that climate change is occurring. The impact that humans are having on that is scientifically debatable."

- Conservative Environment Critic Bob Mills on global warming, Hansard, April 24th 2001.

"The Europeans came to this country 300 years ago and opened it up and settled it and because we didn't kill the Indians and have Indian wars, that doesn't mean we didn't conquer these people. If they weren't in fact conquered then why did they allow themselves to be herded into little reserves on the most isolated, desolate, worthless parts of the country."

- Athabasca MP David Chatters on Aboriginal people.

"We saw that young American having his head cut off. What's happening, what is happening down there no different."

- Conservative MP Cheryl Gallant (Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke) at a 2004 pro-life rally on Parliament Hill, comparing abortion to the beheading of American Nicolas Berg by insurgents in Iraq

Do you get it yet Colpy? Conservatives have said these things with cameras and tape machines rolling. Racism, homophobia, privatising medicare, taking away a woman's right to choose...all while they knew the press was listening. What the hell do they say when the press isn't there?

Actually, I can answer that question too because I've seen them in action. Believe me, they behave very well in front of the cameras by comparison.

 

[Reverend Blair]

National Aboriginal Leaders Call on Stephen Harper to Explain Position on Offensive Writings Of Tom Flanagan, Conservative Party Of Canada's National Campaign Chair

 

[CenCore]

RE: why steven harper wil

When I was a child we had a red-light district(one side of a street)
There were not corner territories to stand on .That nieghborhood was cleaner than most and they always donated time,money and an ear which was always open to express the cities concern(there never was a need)
Gay marriage should be legalized(more money for the gov
Defence(remember we are a neutral nation,lets keep it that way for the next generation).

 

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

Watching this Prime Minister Wannabe now talking before he tables a non confident motion. He says nothing new, just Liberal bashing. I guess this will be one of his last speeches as opposition leader as he will be turfed as party leader after next election. He sounds like a desperate man.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

He is a desperate man, No 1. So are those who spin for him. Notice how Colpy tried to frame the conversation in very narrow terms so that he could claim he was right on a technicality? That's an old trick and one that assumes both the person he is debating and the larger Canadian people are too dim to understand the attempted deception. It further shows the low regard that the Conservatives have for the Canadian public.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: why steven harper wil

Watching this Prime Minister Wannabe now talking before he tables a non confident motion. He says nothing new, just Liberal bashing. I guess this will be one of his last speeches as opposition leader as he will be turfed as party leader after next election. He sounds like a desperate man.

I'm thinking McKay might be next in line for Harper's job. No reason, just a hunch.

 

[no1important]

RE: why steven harper wil

I did notice that now. The right in general, is desperate. Then Harpers buddy Klein basically confirmed yesterday Harper was an extremest. I wonder how the spin will play on this?

Intersting thing about the debate this morning was Jack really outshined Harper and the libs.

 

[Reverend Blair]

RE: why steven harper wil

Peter will be the next leader. The thing is that he's such a...well...peter that he will keep the worst elements of the party (think Jason Kenney) in prominent positions and allow the far right to not only dictate policy, but speak in front of microphones.

They will try to present the CPC as new, rejuvenated, and moderate while the rest of us collect more quotes.