why steven harper will make a good prime minister

[dave s]

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I'm not wrong though...you keep insisting on that and refusing to consider why people vote for the parties that they do. In the end it comes down to policies...what gets proposed during elections.

Harper and the Reform/Alliance/Conservatives have consistently proposed policies that go against what Canadians say they want. Even when does flip-flop and try to kow-tow to policy polls, nobody believes him. How he handled the abortion thing is a perfect example of why...he made sure to leave the back door open.

In short, it your analysis (or lack thereof) that has no merit.

Again you seem to fail to realize when you make a comment like :

“against what Canadians say they want”

Its wrong, the polls shows 29% CPC margin, which is a lot of people for you to make a statement like above.

I see you removed the “Majority of Canadians” from your last post which is good but now you need to use the proper term of “Minority of Canadians” when you start your diatribe.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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Layton's numbers are going up everywhere, even in Alberta. Harper's are going down everywhere, even in Alberta. More and more people are starting to say that the NDP could overtake the Conservatives within the next couple of elections.

 

[Colin]

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A brief rundown? Stephen Harper wouldn't make a good PM at all because most of his policies are not supported by the majority of Canadians, too many people do not trust him, and he has a funny haircut.

Thanks, while I do think that he wouldn't be anyworse in power then say Chrietian, I do completely agree with the haircut. That is one awful looking hairstyle

 

[Jay]

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Layton's numbers are going up everywhere, even in Alberta. Harper's are going down everywhere, even in Alberta. More and more people are starting to say that the NDP could overtake the Conservatives within the next couple of elections.

Sure they will. (Ontario isn't going to vote them in).

 

[Said1]

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Layton's numbers are going up everywhere, even in Alberta. Harper's are going down everywhere, even in Alberta. More and more people are starting to say that the NDP could overtake the Conservatives within the next couple of elections.

Sure they will. (Ontario isn't going to vote them in).

It seems like everyone likes them here in Ottawa. Broadbent is MP for my area - probably explains the appearence of popularity.

 

[Jay]

Well Ottawa is full of other peoples money and the NDP loves other people’s money...

 

[Said1]

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Well Ottawa is full of other peoples money and the NDP loves other people’s money...

I don't think that's a trait limited to the NDP.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It seems like everyone likes them here in Ottawa. Broadbent is MP for my area - probably explains the appearence of popularity.

Ed's the king. There isn't a single member of parliament that wouldn't kill for his reputation. Getting him to come back was a major coup for Jack Layton. Unfortunately Ed's wife has cancer and he won't be running again.

 

[Said1]

It seems like everyone likes them here in Ottawa. Broadbent is MP for my area - probably explains the appearence of popularity.

Ed's the king. There isn't a single member of parliament that wouldn't kill for his reputation. Getting him to come back was a major coup for Jack Layton. Unfortunately Ed's wife has cancer and he won't be running again.

He's quite eloquent, and friendly too. Even the speach announcing he wouldn't be running again was touching.

 

[Jay]

It’s hard to say bad things about Ed.

 

[zenfisher]

Your wrong and you know it

The next time you use the term “Majority of Canadians”

You better make sure that the polls say so, your rhetoric is BS. You may be able pull this off with some but not with me.

DATE LIB CON NDP BQ GRN OTH POLLSTER
06/20/2005 34 29 16 12 6 - Ipsos-Reid
06/11/2005 34 26 19 13 9 - Strategic Counsel


So your statement has no merit. When we vote, we vote for the party that means everything and nobody has the Majority of Canadians in their corral.

And

This is a misleading way of saying your right and I’m sure your smart enough to know better.

And for sure

This is a misleading way of saying your right and I’m sure I’m smart enough to know better.

...Wait a minute...the poll show the the Libs and the NDP at 34% and 16% with the bloc at 12% these parties arguably lean to the left.I get 62%.
The Strategic Councils results add up to 101 %...that right there makes me question the results.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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That's 62% in polls generally considered to lean to the right, Zen. Other polls show even fewer people agreeing with the Conservatives. In blind policy polls...those that do not mention parties or leaders, but ask only about policy...Conservative numbers are even lower.

What Dave and his ilk need to understand is that most Canadians do not want the Conservatives in charge of anything at all. The majority of Canadians do not like Stephen Harper or his party.

 

[zenfisher]

But...as you mentioned... the Liberals lean to the left come election time...and I did say arguably. The way the poll is printed is askew...I read it as:
Lib = 34
Con = 29
NDP = 16
Bloc = 12

And likely
Grn = 6%
Ind = 0%
(but these could easily be reversed.) That would mean that the poll is showing that at that point Canadians are leaning towards parties on the centre/left. ( Although I consider the Liberals to be a centre/right party, with the exception when they are hunting for votes.) As the parties are starting to position themselves for an election....

 

[no1important]

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Check the update poll in the poll thread. But here are the numbers anyways.

Libs 37%
Cons 25%
NDP 20

BTW the Liberals sure are smart, waiting for cons to leave then passing budget bill and pulling the wool over Harper, ha ha.

Budget passes after surprise vote-Tories fume after Liberal minority scores coup

 

[Reverend Blair]

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The Conservatives are really steaming over that one. I saw Reynolds on CPAC last night and I thought he was going to cry. I'll bet the CPC strategists have their asses in a sling over this one...they were out-politicked, out maneuvered, and just generally turned in newts.

Every time something like that happens to them, and it happens pretty frequently considering they are supposed to be professionals, a few more people lose faith in them and decide to put their votes elsewhere. When top Conservatives stand in front of the cameras and rant and rave like spoiled children, they lose a few more votes.

It's funny...I noticed on Politics yesterday that Jamey Heath seemed unusually happy...although he was dressed even goofier than usual. The spinners for the Liberals and the Bloc seemed pretty jovial too. Jeff Norquay was his usual unreasonable self. He should have known something was going on by that time, even if he didn't know the specifics, but he didn't have a clue.

 

[mrmom2]

I'm no lover of the PC's but what happened last night goes to show you how corrupt and sick our system of goverment is they just lie cheat and steal taxpayers money and the more they do the faster they're bringing about their down fall.The youth of today are fed up with these idiots and what you all seem to foget is our youth are very violent its only a matter of time :x

 

[Reverend Blair]

What happened last night is just the way things work, Mom. It's happened before and the Conservatives would have done the same thing if they'd been in a position to.

It's a blessing for the Conservatives too...if they would have forced a summer election, they would have been whipped like cheap hounds and Martin would an excuse not to call an election after Gomery comes out.

It also passes a popular budget amendment, and the polls have shown that people like bill c-48, and gets the SSM thing out of the way so they can get down to real work in the fall.

The reason why obscure rules exist is to keep government working even when one party is being obstructionist.

 

[no1important]

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The youth of today are fed up with these idiots and what you all seem to foget is our youth are very violent its only a matter of time

Well if the youth want to change things, why do not they go out and vote? The 18-24 age group has the lowest voter turnout.

 

[LeftCoast]

So the Conservatives were caught sleeping, and the Liberals called a snap vote and somehow that is considered an abuse of power?

Sorry, I don't get it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

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I don't get it either, but what I really don't get is the petty carping coming from the Conservatives. They are making themselves look very bad with their name-calling and childish outbursts. Do they have no political acumen at all?