why steven harper will make a good prime minister
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I'm sure they'll forgive you Vanni. Not sure how you could forget a band with teeth like though. ;-)
Do ya suppose a Conservative is ever going to answer my question?
I'm sure they'll forgive you Vanni. Not sure how you could forget a band with teeth like though. ;-)
Do ya suppose a Conservative is ever going to answer my question?
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Yeah...they're pretty nasty alright... :lol:
I'll answer you Rev...
Vanni dons his Conservative Party button:
We fail to see the reason how this is relevent to preservation of the traditional definition of marriage, and further more, we have not been advised on how to answer by our handlers , who are passed out a in bar across from the Fraser Institute, so stop trying to make the Conservatives answerable, and look at the current scandal that has crippled Parliament...oh yeah and don't make us use the Notwithstanding Clause to deny you your right to ask tricky questions, fear-mongerer!!!
How'd I do?
Reverend Blair said:
Yeah...they're pretty nasty alright... :lol:
Reverend Blair said:
I'll answer you Rev...
Vanni dons his Conservative Party button:
We fail to see the reason how this is relevent to preservation of the traditional definition of marriage, and further more, we have not been advised on how to answer by our handlers , who are passed out a in bar across from the Fraser Institute, so stop trying to make the Conservatives answerable, and look at the current scandal that has crippled Parliament...oh yeah and don't make us use the Notwithstanding Clause to deny you your right to ask tricky questions, fear-mongerer!!!
How'd I do?
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You forgot to call me a commie and make up stupid names for other political parties, and you sounded way too intelligent, but other than that you were okay.
You forgot to call me a commie and make up stupid names for other political parties, and you sounded way too intelligent, but other than that you were okay.
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Yeah...thanks Rev...but I kinda feel intellectually violated now... 8O
Reverend Blair said:
Yeah...thanks Rev...but I kinda feel intellectually violated now... 8O
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Still no answers eh, Rev. I guess they are finally stumped.
BTW- Vanni, what a great link.
Still no answers eh, Rev. I guess they are finally stumped.
BTW- Vanni, what a great link.
Sorry I'm late, I couldn't get on until now.
"How come Harper and his Reformatories are so upset because one or two of their own may not be able to make the vote on Thursday? "
Becausae this vote is down to the wire, every seat counts.
"How come they didn't care about that when two Liberals and one independent who said he would vote with the Liberals on procedural matters weren't there when they attempted to pass off sending a bill back to committee as a confidence vote? "
I think, but don't quote me on this, I haven't read the news in a few days. Technically, if you lack the confidence of the house on any vote, you lack the confidence of the house, I think. And then, if they thought it was that important they should have tried to come.
"How come the Conservatives have steadfastly refused to "twin" members and have people abstain if there are missing members on the other side of the house? "
I haven't read the news in a few days, so I couldn't really say. But I'm actually for, I belive in fairness in all respects and that seems like the honourable thing to do.
"How come, when the Conservatives might be at a disadvantage because of illness it's a big deal, but when another party has the same problem, it's time to launch an attack. "
Welcome to history, it's happened for the last three thousand years. Not a thing for parliament in my opinion, but who am I to say.
"Ed Broadbent offered to twin himself with Stinson on Thursday's vote. Since Stinson won't be there to vote, Ed will stay in his chair and abstain from the budget vote. It's a fair and noble thing to do. More than that, it shows real class. "
I agree, Broadbent is real beacon of light on parliament, it's a shame were losing him. I think all the parties coul learn a thing or two from him.
"I can guarantee you that the Conservatives would not have done the same. They care about nothing but power. They have no class."
There are some conservatives and liberals who would have done the same I think. I think it truly shows the man not the party. Broadbent is a great guy in my opinion, but I can't stand the NDP. And no doubt there are liberals and conservatives who wouldn't have either.
All the parties have done things that they shoudn't be proud of lately. Martin desperately wants to stay in power, Harper desperately wants to bring him down. And desperate times call for desperate measures, I don't even approve of all the things either side has done to undermine the other but either side shouldn't be proud of it.
And just to say something here, I think both of us are preaching to the choir. I personally am a conservative, and you, and many others on this forum are liberals. We both bring up points (I'll admit you outdid me, Blair, a few posts ago) but we will consistantly vote for our parties until they screw up royally. Now the tories may not not be the greatest party on earth, but I agree with most of thir policies.
"How come Harper and his Reformatories are so upset because one or two of their own may not be able to make the vote on Thursday? "
Becausae this vote is down to the wire, every seat counts.
"How come they didn't care about that when two Liberals and one independent who said he would vote with the Liberals on procedural matters weren't there when they attempted to pass off sending a bill back to committee as a confidence vote? "
I think, but don't quote me on this, I haven't read the news in a few days. Technically, if you lack the confidence of the house on any vote, you lack the confidence of the house, I think. And then, if they thought it was that important they should have tried to come.
"How come the Conservatives have steadfastly refused to "twin" members and have people abstain if there are missing members on the other side of the house? "
I haven't read the news in a few days, so I couldn't really say. But I'm actually for, I belive in fairness in all respects and that seems like the honourable thing to do.
"How come, when the Conservatives might be at a disadvantage because of illness it's a big deal, but when another party has the same problem, it's time to launch an attack. "
Welcome to history, it's happened for the last three thousand years. Not a thing for parliament in my opinion, but who am I to say.
"Ed Broadbent offered to twin himself with Stinson on Thursday's vote. Since Stinson won't be there to vote, Ed will stay in his chair and abstain from the budget vote. It's a fair and noble thing to do. More than that, it shows real class. "
I agree, Broadbent is real beacon of light on parliament, it's a shame were losing him. I think all the parties coul learn a thing or two from him.
"I can guarantee you that the Conservatives would not have done the same. They care about nothing but power. They have no class."
There are some conservatives and liberals who would have done the same I think. I think it truly shows the man not the party. Broadbent is a great guy in my opinion, but I can't stand the NDP. And no doubt there are liberals and conservatives who wouldn't have either.
All the parties have done things that they shoudn't be proud of lately. Martin desperately wants to stay in power, Harper desperately wants to bring him down. And desperate times call for desperate measures, I don't even approve of all the things either side has done to undermine the other but either side shouldn't be proud of it.
And just to say something here, I think both of us are preaching to the choir. I personally am a conservative, and you, and many others on this forum are liberals. We both bring up points (I'll admit you outdid me, Blair, a few posts ago) but we will consistantly vote for our parties until they screw up royally. Now the tories may not not be the greatest party on earth, but I agree with most of thir policies.
Yet they don't care if other people are sick.
Technically unless it is a confidence vote, the CPC and BQ haven't got a leg to stand on. They tried to use an instruction to committee to bring down the government. Not only is that not a matter of confidence, but the committee is controlled by the Liberals and NDP, so they wouldn't have followed the instruction. Everybody who could make it came. You had one Liberal out because he had a funeral to attend, one Liberal out because he was ill, and one independent who said that he'd vote with the Liberals on such bills out with cancer.
The Conservatives have refused to do it. Then again, they have no honour, so it isn't surprising.
Well, it is your party who is looking like a bunch of hypocrites. Maybe you should say something to them.
So how come they didn't?
Yet Layton would have had to approve such an action. The NDP has their budget initiatives riding on this.
The NDP have risen far, far above the other parties on every issue since X-mas.
Yet you are going to vote for one of them. Yet another vote to keep the corruption and sell the rest of the country south.
I must say the openning of this discussion cuts a wide path. I agree we need to spend more on defence.
Howerver, you somehow believe that a society can legislate social morals. I am afraid that just does not work.
We can legislate specifices like people engaged in kiddie porn, rape, child abuse, spousal abuse , hard drug use and other servious crimes. Why? Because the majority of us in society understand that laws against these actions are in the interest of public safety.
I've been around for a long time, my wife and I have l8 grandchildren, and you know, I have never considered human rights to be silly or not important. For example, gay marriage, it does not directly impact me, but many people in our society who pay taxes, hold mortages and are employed doing jobs that benefit our society. Why should these people not have equal rights? I find it hard to believe that some people feel so insecure about marriage they want to keep the wording between a man and a woman. I am not insecure about my relationship, it is no skin off my nose if same sex couple get married, and call it marriage. That is called life moving on. Someday a future society is going to ask the serious question.
When people were homeless, and hungry, when the world was filled with war zones and death, when injustice seemed to rule the world at times, people were most troubled about who could use the word "marriage",
what were they thinking?
As for prostitution, well, even the Roman Empire couldn't stomp it out, The same holds true for pot, you and I might not be crazy about either, however the demand has always outstripped supply. As a nation we are at not totally opposed to either under certain conditions.
Mr Harper would not make a good Prime Minister, as he intends to push an agenda that is not supported by a majority of Canadians. Many Canadians want something done about a lot of things, until it directly impacts them.
If an election is held, especially if it is held after June 20th,the Tories stand to lose. Mr. Harper made a huge mistake when he joined forces with the seperatists, and that error in judgement will cost him the election and the Conservatives the chance to govern for a long long time. Harper knows nothing about how to play the political game, and without that knowledge, no matter who you are, right or wrong you don't get to play the leading role, and for that reason alone, I don''t think Harper would make a good leader or a leader of the nation period. If he did get the nod it would be with a minority and we would be throwing him out within a year.
However I don't believe Harper will ever come close to being Prime Minister.
Howerver, you somehow believe that a society can legislate social morals. I am afraid that just does not work.
We can legislate specifices like people engaged in kiddie porn, rape, child abuse, spousal abuse , hard drug use and other servious crimes. Why? Because the majority of us in society understand that laws against these actions are in the interest of public safety.
I've been around for a long time, my wife and I have l8 grandchildren, and you know, I have never considered human rights to be silly or not important. For example, gay marriage, it does not directly impact me, but many people in our society who pay taxes, hold mortages and are employed doing jobs that benefit our society. Why should these people not have equal rights? I find it hard to believe that some people feel so insecure about marriage they want to keep the wording between a man and a woman. I am not insecure about my relationship, it is no skin off my nose if same sex couple get married, and call it marriage. That is called life moving on. Someday a future society is going to ask the serious question.
When people were homeless, and hungry, when the world was filled with war zones and death, when injustice seemed to rule the world at times, people were most troubled about who could use the word "marriage",
what were they thinking?
As for prostitution, well, even the Roman Empire couldn't stomp it out, The same holds true for pot, you and I might not be crazy about either, however the demand has always outstripped supply. As a nation we are at not totally opposed to either under certain conditions.
Mr Harper would not make a good Prime Minister, as he intends to push an agenda that is not supported by a majority of Canadians. Many Canadians want something done about a lot of things, until it directly impacts them.
If an election is held, especially if it is held after June 20th,the Tories stand to lose. Mr. Harper made a huge mistake when he joined forces with the seperatists, and that error in judgement will cost him the election and the Conservatives the chance to govern for a long long time. Harper knows nothing about how to play the political game, and without that knowledge, no matter who you are, right or wrong you don't get to play the leading role, and for that reason alone, I don''t think Harper would make a good leader or a leader of the nation period. If he did get the nod it would be with a minority and we would be throwing him out within a year.
However I don't believe Harper will ever come close to being Prime Minister.
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I don't think he'll make it either, Grumpy. I think he'll come close this time, then be sent back to that basement in Calgary. He might win a minority, but that will leave him virtually powerless to fulfill his main promises to his base.
Either way, the Conservatives are going to turf him out this this time. If there is enough finger-pointing, and we are talking about the Conservatives, it will again send the entire party into the political hinterland.
I don't think he'll make it either, Grumpy. I think he'll come close this time, then be sent back to that basement in Calgary. He might win a minority, but that will leave him virtually powerless to fulfill his main promises to his base.
Either way, the Conservatives are going to turf him out this this time. If there is enough finger-pointing, and we are talking about the Conservatives, it will again send the entire party into the political hinterland.
Andygal said:
Unfortunately, he's already said that he won't be running again, because he's going to be attending on the ailing "love of his life"...
Yeah...they sure don't make them like him anymore...
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There is a pretty good chance that Ottawa Centre will stay with the NDP, at least. You can also count on Broadbent making a large contribution behind the scenes to the NDP.
There is a pretty good chance that Ottawa Centre will stay with the NDP, at least. You can also count on Broadbent making a large contribution behind the scenes to the NDP.
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That's too bad. We need guys like him in politics, there's precious few of the really good ones around. Don't know who'll be running for the NDP in my riding, I'd like to find out. Even though Vancouver is pretty much a bunch of Liberal "safe-seats". Maybe it'll change, and if it does, the NDP will likely get in, at least I hope so. I'd hope that people here have enough sense not to vote for the Conservatives.
That's too bad. We need guys like him in politics, there's precious few of the really good ones around. Don't know who'll be running for the NDP in my riding, I'd like to find out. Even though Vancouver is pretty much a bunch of Liberal "safe-seats". Maybe it'll change, and if it does, the NDP will likely get in, at least I hope so. I'd hope that people here have enough sense not to vote for the Conservatives.
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The NDP may not have anybody declared in your riding, Andy. You can generally find out by contacting your local riding association though.
The NDP may not have anybody declared in your riding, Andy. You can generally find out by contacting your local riding association though.
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I noticed today that the Conservatives are doing an election campaign type ads on the radio.
I think they are misleading and really stretching the truth.
They say government was defeated last week , bring up corruption etc. I was wondering if anyone else heard these new radio ads and what you may think of them?
I noticed today that the Conservatives are doing an election campaign type ads on the radio.
I think they are misleading and really stretching the truth.
They say government was defeated last week , bring up corruption etc. I was wondering if anyone else heard these new radio ads and what you may think of them?
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I haven't heard them, but I understand that they are mud-slinging attack ads. I don't think that's going to play very well. The Conservatives have been a a mud-slinging atack ad for so long now that people are tired of hearing it.
I haven't heard them, but I understand that they are mud-slinging attack ads. I don't think that's going to play very well. The Conservatives have been a a mud-slinging atack ad for so long now that people are tired of hearing it.
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All Conservatives do is attack and talk about the other parties, never have I heard anything about their own policies. Even on their website, everything is so vague.
This is how people get misled. They'll promise tax cuts, but nobody ever bothers to find out how. Everything on their site says, "The Conservative party will fight....” My question is how?
no1important said:
All Conservatives do is attack and talk about the other parties, never have I heard anything about their own policies. Even on their website, everything is so vague.
This is how people get misled. They'll promise tax cuts, but nobody ever bothers to find out how. Everything on their site says, "The Conservative party will fight....” My question is how?