Why does Trudeau dawdle when benefits of Cannabis control go to the evil side?

French Patriot

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What is the comparison between the two as far as things like judgment and reaction time? I'm pretty familiar with what it is with booze................not too favourable! :)



Are those realistic situations or just ones thought up on the spur of the moment?

It is a known joke top show that alcohol impairment causes a lot more damage and carnage on our roads than cannabis smokers.


Strange how so many want to keep the status quo and keep the dangerous drugs legal while not allowing Canadians to have the more benign drug.


That alcohol and tobacco lobby and officials that have accepted their bribes owes Canadians a lot for senseless and unnecessary deaths.


I hope Mr. Trudeau has what it takes to not accept the same bribes. not like that he is not making more definitive statements on his timetable.


People are starting to say that he will have to triple his deficit numbers and I think those funds should come from cannabis entrepreneurs and profits instead of from the Canadian taxpayer's pocket.


Regards
DL
 

petros

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Well that's just it. The physical effects between the 2 are vastly different. So is the mental effects.

Here's a funny video. Not scientific, but you get the gist of the differences. I'll see if I can find more scientific one.



Performance Effects: The short term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, difficultly in thinking and problem-solving, and loss of coordination. Heavy users may have increased difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing and using information. In general, laboratory performance studies indicate that sensory functions are not highly impaired, but perceptual functions are significantly affected. The ability to concentrate and maintain attention are decreased during marijuana use, and impairment of hand-eye coordination is dose-related over a wide range of dosages.Impairment in retention time and tracking, subjective sleepiness, distortion of time and distance, vigilance, and loss of coordination in divided attention tasks have been reported. Note however, that subjects can often “pull themselves together” to concentrate on simple tasks for brief periods of time. Significant performance impairments are usually observed for at least 1-2 hours following marijuana use, and residual effects have been reported up to 24 hours.

Effects on Driving: The drug manufacturer suggests that patients receiving treatment with Marinol® should be specifically warned not to drive until it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perform such tasks safely. Epidemiology data from road traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations. Marijuana has been shown to impair performance on driving simulator tasks and on open and closed driving courses for up to approximately 3 hours. Decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, impaired time and distance estimation, inability to maintain headway, lateral travel, subjective sleepiness, motor incoordination, and impaired sustained vigilance have all been reported. Some drivers may actually be able to improve performance for brief periods by overcompensating for self-perceived impairment. The greater the demands placed on the driver, however, the more critical the likely impairment. Marijuana may particularly impair monotonous and prolonged driving. Decision times to evaluate situations and determine appropriate responses increase. Mixing alcohol and marijuana may dramatically produce effects greater than either drug on its own.

DEC Category: Cannabis

DEC Profile: Horizontal gaze nystagmus not present; vertical gaze nystagmus not present; lack of convergence present; pupil size normal to dilated; reaction to light normal to slow; pulse rate elevated; blood pressure elevated; body temperature normal to elevated. Other characteristic indicators may include odor of marijuana in car or on subject’s breath, marijuana debris in mouth, green coating of tongue, bloodshot eyes, body and eyelid tremors, relaxed inhibitions, incomplete thought process, and poor performance on field sobriety tests.

Panel’s Assessment of Driving Risks: Low doses of THC moderately impair cognitive and psychomotor tasks associated with driving, while severe driving impairment is observed with high doses, chronic use and in combination with low doses of alcohol The more difficult and unpredictable the task, the more likely marijuana will impair performance.

If I knew you were driving high I'd rat you out.
 

French Patriot

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Well that's just it. The physical effects between the 2 are vastly different. So is the mental effects.

Here's a funny video. Not scientific, but you get the gist of the differences. I'll see if I can find more scientific one.




If you work in the death rates for each drug, as well as the physical damage to the body, only a parent who hates his children will promote alcohol to intoxication instead of cannabis to intoxication.


Regards
DL

Performance Effects: The short term effects of marijuana use include problems with memory and learning, distorted perception, difficultly in thinking and problem-solving, and loss of coordination. Heavy users may have increased difficulty sustaining attention, shifting attention to meet the demands of changes in the environment, and in registering, processing and using information. In general, laboratory performance studies indicate that sensory functions are not highly impaired, but perceptual functions are significantly affected. The ability to concentrate and maintain attention are decreased during marijuana use, and impairment of hand-eye coordination is dose-related over a wide range of dosages.Impairment in retention time and tracking, subjective sleepiness, distortion of time and distance, vigilance, and loss of coordination in divided attention tasks have been reported. Note however, that subjects can often “pull themselves together” to concentrate on simple tasks for brief periods of time. Significant performance impairments are usually observed for at least 1-2 hours following marijuana use, and residual effects have been reported up to 24 hours.

Effects on Driving: The drug manufacturer suggests that patients receiving treatment with Marinol® should be specifically warned not to drive until it is established that they are able to tolerate the drug and perform such tasks safely. Epidemiology data from road traffic arrests and fatalities indicate that after alcohol, marijuana is the most frequently detected psychoactive substance among driving populations. Marijuana has been shown to impair performance on driving simulator tasks and on open and closed driving courses for up to approximately 3 hours. Decreased car handling performance, increased reaction times, impaired time and distance estimation, inability to maintain headway, lateral travel, subjective sleepiness, motor incoordination, and impaired sustained vigilance have all been reported. Some drivers may actually be able to improve performance for brief periods by overcompensating for self-perceived impairment. The greater the demands placed on the driver, however, the more critical the likely impairment. Marijuana may particularly impair monotonous and prolonged driving. Decision times to evaluate situations and determine appropriate responses increase. Mixing alcohol and marijuana may dramatically produce effects greater than either drug on its own.

DEC Category: Cannabis

DEC Profile: Horizontal gaze nystagmus not present; vertical gaze nystagmus not present; lack of convergence present; pupil size normal to dilated; reaction to light normal to slow; pulse rate elevated; blood pressure elevated; body temperature normal to elevated. Other characteristic indicators may include odor of marijuana in car or on subject’s breath, marijuana debris in mouth, green coating of tongue, bloodshot eyes, body and eyelid tremors, relaxed inhibitions, incomplete thought process, and poor performance on field sobriety tests.

Panel’s Assessment of Driving Risks: Low doses of THC moderately impair cognitive and psychomotor tasks associated with driving, while severe driving impairment is observed with high doses, chronic use and in combination with low doses of alcohol The more difficult and unpredictable the task, the more likely marijuana will impair performance.

If I knew you were driving high I'd rat you out.



As you should but if you have one call and two friends, one stoned and the other drunk, and rat out the smoker, you likely hate your other friend as his chance of damage are the highest.


You did good research above now check the stats and start promoting legalization so as to save the lives of drunks that may decide to smoke instead and do the intelligent thing.


Regards
DL
 

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French Patriot

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Hope we can get Harper back to the rescue when this guy finally falls flat on his face. :)



I do not like him but he would likely put Muslims in their place.


In some other country so as not to pollute ours with Sharia lovers.


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DL

Yep, guess he never heard of Amsterdam or the states of Oregon, Colorado, Seattle, etc...

Going to be some folks crying in their bongs.


That and it shows us clearly that Trudeau is either incompetent are a liar who will say anything to get elected.


If true and recognized by people, Liberals will not last long in power.


Regards
DL

Question is.....
Can the fluffers get him ready for that performance?
Will more selfies help?
All show, no substance...


It is too early to tell hut so far, I am not impressed. He is not his fathers son.


Regards
DL
 

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Hope we can get Harper back to the rescue when this guy finally falls flat on his face. :)

Oh right. Because Harper would almost certainly legalize marijuana. The Harper government is the one that put the treaty roadblocks in the way of marijuana reform.
 

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'ehCanada' by Rothmans, 'duhCanada' or 'redeye/bigsmileCanada" by Ottabis. Tobacco or Weed Companies!! they will promote their stuff.
 

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Looking at the black-market prices It; a wonder it will be legalized. If poppy production in the Prairies set to rise after the gateway drug that fuels it is legal?? Seeme to be working out in Afghanistan and Cambodia.
 

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My extradition to the United States, for which i was arrested on July 29, 2005, was a joint U.S.-Canadian government project involving, remarkably, 30 departments of the U.S. and Canadian governments.

From 2002 when the U.S. opened its case against me, to July 2005 when I was arrested, the Liberal government of the day under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin had Alberta MP Anne McLellan as point person in the three cabinet portfolios that were responsible for extraditing me; she was variously the justice, health, and public safety minister in those three years, as well as being deputy prime minister on the day I was arrested on July 29, 2005.

Earlier this month, McLellan was made chairperson of the legalization task force. This task force will listen to submissions by the public and experts in the fall and winter and come up with legislation proposals. But with former Toronto police chief Bill Blair and McLellan heading up the legalization file, is it any wonder NDP MP Anne Minh-Thu Quach rose in the House of Commons on June 3 to say this:

“Mr. Speaker, the Liberals made a big promise to legalize marijuana. However, the government just assigned the file to the former justice minister, who has said in the past that she is opposed to the medical use of marijuana.

Let me summarize. A former police chief and now a pot opponent are in charge of the legalization of marijuana. That is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the hen house.

Is the prime minister preparing to kill his own plan to legalize marijuana?”

Someone finally said the obvious!

In her time in the Liberal government spotlight, McLellan called marijuana a “scourge”, suggested that marijuana led to the murder of four Mounties in the Alberta town of Mayerthorpe, promised a Liberal government would never be “in the business of legalizing marijuana”, wanted judges who refused to give tough penalties for weed offences to explain their reasons in writing to her, said “we do not want Canadians to use marijuana”, and “essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians” trying to access marijuana to relieve pain.

In an August 17, 2005, Vancouver Sun article entitled “Irwin Cotler Throws Up Smokescreen”, columnist Ian Mulgrew speculated on McLellan’s fingerprints being all over the Emery extradition file, noting she was a "pro-American hawk and rabid anti-pot crusader”.

In the months before my arrest for extradition to the United States, I was jousting with McLellan in newspapers about the four Mounties killed by a lone shooter in Alberta who had some marijuana plants in a barn.

It was laid out in a Calgary Sun article entitled "Political Furor Sparked", which was published on March 5, 2005.

Here's a snippet of what appeared:

“What we’re doing is enhancing the Criminal Code by increasing the maximum sentences that courts can levy against grow-ops,” McLellan told reporters.

“This is hysteria,” said Marc Emery, the leader of the BC Marijuana Party, “the bodies are hardly even cold and already they want to imprison tens of thousands more people growing marijuana. If marijuana were legal, we wouldn’t have any of these problems. I regard this as the ultimate political exploitation.”

Pot smokers should be outraged

McLellan’s appointment sadistically mocks everyone who has worked for and supported this movement. It mocks the voters. Are we dumb enough to think that McLellan’s lust for meanness towards marijuana sinners has suddenly disappeared?

McLellan’s appointment to a marijuana file is like bringing the Ku Klux Klan back to write civil rights legislation.

Now magazine of Toronto published an article on July 26, 2007, about a government audit of the medical marijuana program, which stated: “The audit makes particular note of a 2003 meeting at which then Health Minister Anne McLellan essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians seeking medpot.”

I wrote in earlier blogs that the most important aspect of this legalization task force is to remind the committee and the country of the millions of victims of the 50 years of marijuana prohibition. McLellan in that sense is the perfect foil. After all, as health minister, justice minister, and public safety minister, she’s one of those responsible for so many prohibition victims.

So here are my questions for the chairperson of the legalization task force;

Marc Emery: Why did Justin Trudeau put a past kingpin of prohibition in charge of marijuana legalization task force? | Georgia Straight Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly
 

French Patriot

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You calling my neighbour evil?



Vigilantes and freedom fighters are often seen as evil by those of us who are not astute enough to recognize what they are doing.


Regards
DL

'ehCanada' by Rothmans, 'duhCanada' or 'redeye/bigsmileCanada" by Ottabis. Tobacco or Weed Companies!! they will promote their stuff.



Indeed but the legal psychotropic they promote with lies and the manipulation of our politicians are doing a lot more damage than Cannabis promoters and their product.


Big pharma, alcohol and tobacco lobbies do not seem to care about the deaths they have caused.


Regards
DL
 

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My extradition to the United States, for which i was arrested on July 29, 2005, was a joint U.S.-Canadian government project involving, remarkably, 30 departments of the U.S. and Canadian governments.

From 2002 when the U.S. opened its case against me, to July 2005 when I was arrested, the Liberal government of the day under Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin had Alberta MP Anne McLellan as point person in the three cabinet portfolios that were responsible for extraditing me; she was variously the justice, health, and public safety minister in those three years, as well as being deputy prime minister on the day I was arrested on July 29, 2005.

Earlier this month, McLellan was made chairperson of the legalization task force. This task force will listen to submissions by the public and experts in the fall and winter and come up with legislation proposals. But with former Toronto police chief Bill Blair and McLellan heading up the legalization file, is it any wonder NDP MP Anne Minh-Thu Quach rose in the House of Commons on June 3 to say this:

“Mr. Speaker, the Liberals made a big promise to legalize marijuana. However, the government just assigned the file to the former justice minister, who has said in the past that she is opposed to the medical use of marijuana.

Let me summarize. A former police chief and now a pot opponent are in charge of the legalization of marijuana. That is like putting Colonel Sanders in charge of the hen house.

Is the prime minister preparing to kill his own plan to legalize marijuana?”

Someone finally said the obvious!

In her time in the Liberal government spotlight, McLellan called marijuana a “scourge”, suggested that marijuana led to the murder of four Mounties in the Alberta town of Mayerthorpe, promised a Liberal government would never be “in the business of legalizing marijuana”, wanted judges who refused to give tough penalties for weed offences to explain their reasons in writing to her, said “we do not want Canadians to use marijuana”, and “essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians” trying to access marijuana to relieve pain.

In an August 17, 2005, Vancouver Sun article entitled “Irwin Cotler Throws Up Smokescreen”, columnist Ian Mulgrew speculated on McLellan’s fingerprints being all over the Emery extradition file, noting she was a "pro-American hawk and rabid anti-pot crusader”.

In the months before my arrest for extradition to the United States, I was jousting with McLellan in newspapers about the four Mounties killed by a lone shooter in Alberta who had some marijuana plants in a barn.

It was laid out in a Calgary Sun article entitled "Political Furor Sparked", which was published on March 5, 2005.

Here's a snippet of what appeared:

“What we’re doing is enhancing the Criminal Code by increasing the maximum sentences that courts can levy against grow-ops,” McLellan told reporters.

“This is hysteria,” said Marc Emery, the leader of the BC Marijuana Party, “the bodies are hardly even cold and already they want to imprison tens of thousands more people growing marijuana. If marijuana were legal, we wouldn’t have any of these problems. I regard this as the ultimate political exploitation.”

Pot smokers should be outraged

McLellan’s appointment sadistically mocks everyone who has worked for and supported this movement. It mocks the voters. Are we dumb enough to think that McLellan’s lust for meanness towards marijuana sinners has suddenly disappeared?

McLellan’s appointment to a marijuana file is like bringing the Ku Klux Klan back to write civil rights legislation.

Now magazine of Toronto published an article on July 26, 2007, about a government audit of the medical marijuana program, which stated: “The audit makes particular note of a 2003 meeting at which then Health Minister Anne McLellan essentially instructed staff to obstruct the processing of Canadians seeking medpot.”

I wrote in earlier blogs that the most important aspect of this legalization task force is to remind the committee and the country of the millions of victims of the 50 years of marijuana prohibition. McLellan in that sense is the perfect foil. After all, as health minister, justice minister, and public safety minister, she’s one of those responsible for so many prohibition victims.

So here are my questions for the chairperson of the legalization task force;

Marc Emery: Why did Justin Trudeau put a past kingpin of prohibition in charge of marijuana legalization task force? | Georgia Straight Vancouver's News & Entertainment Weekly
Did anyone think that the liberals were actually going to legalise the weed ?
 

French Patriot

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Looking at the black-market prices It; a wonder it will be legalized. If poppy production in the Prairies set to rise after the gateway drug that fuels it is legal?? Seeme to be working out in Afghanistan and Cambodia.



Gateway drug?


Seems that you have not kept track with the experts. The gateway drug notion has been shown to not apply except those drugs which are used by your peer group.


There is not gateway drug in the sense that you are using it.
Peer pressure is the driving factor for psychotropic drugs. Not some gateway fantasy drug.


Regards
DL
 

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I think Justin has about 100 "bigger fish to fry" than legalizing recreational marijuana. Capitalize on the medicinal benefits of it and forget the rest!