Is it not possible for the police to identify them? They know which units are stationned in which areas. As long as they can be identified by the police themselves should a complaint be made, I don't see the problem.
Why do the Police Need to Wear Masks
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Is it not possible for the police to identify them? They know which units are stationned in which areas. As long as they can be identified by the police themselves should a complaint be made, I don't see the problem.
Two different levels of cop. The CIA, DEA, ATF agents (see below) routinely cover their faces and, as well, they are more secretive organizations to begin with. The difference between cops and judges/prosecutors is that the police are generally more despised. One could argue chicken and eggs though.
ATF Agent
Cannuck, please stop defending the power tripping Cops, they're bad, they break up protests turned riots and people skulls get cracked when they get out of hand...Two different levels of cop. The CIA, DEA, ATF agents (see below) routinely cover their faces and, as well, they are more secretive organizations to begin with. The difference between cops and judges/prosecutors is that the police are generally more despised. One could argue chicken and eggs though.
ATF Agent
And since they're not human, but actually heartless cyborgs, programmed by the right wing conspirators. They are not allowed to get heated or stressed, or frustrated because they've just been assaulted, bloodied, spit at, pissed on, etc...
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Nope, not needed here.
This is simple Lone, spit in the face of a Cop, get wacked. It's called self defense.
Start rioting and ya all get wacked, that's called common sense.
As for the hyperbole about Cops wearing masks assigned them by their unit...just more fringe BS. If you wanna taste it, eat it up skippy. But it ain't my favourite dish.
If that's to hard to grasp, stay in the Great White North Lone, you be safer there, far removed from reality.
WTF are you on about? Did I address you ... or did it just happen to fit you well?
Try reading before shooting off your mouth. You're getting like Sir Joey Pee-pee. Try about post 4 or 6....
I believe you would be one scary masked vigilante alright. Harsh rules for the police to follow but not you. By the way - when do you want you buck back? (You did say you were paying for them did you not?). The justice you want by the way, may not be justice at all and with your limited experience, you could have the wrong the person but you wouldn't be accountable right? You would be the Masked Vigilante! Would you carry a gun or just leave the mark of Zzarchov ?
They are not accountable to you or any other member of the public for another thing.
Excuse me? 8O Law Enforcement Officers are members of the Public.
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Excuse me? 8O Law Enforcement Officers are members of the Public.
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True but the public is not law enforcement. Law Enforcement officers must answer to their superiors but if you or I demand an answer from them, they do not have to give it.
It is quite common for police to swap numbers with each other so IDing them is harder. Lots of people now have phones that take video so masks are more used now so identifying them is again harder. Even without numbers though they can still get caught out.....
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Because thats a terrible system. In any basic attempt to stem corruption in any organization you would not set it up so that they need to be identified by their friends and coworkers because no one else can tell.
Thats one reason why roving village bands were phased out for a professional police force, so that everything would be a matter of public record.
There is no heightened danger to police officers from having their face exposed. We try and make Muslim women remove their veil to vote because we think that process is too important to hide your face and risk deception of your identity.
Accountability to the use of violent force is as or more deserving of that accountability.
Tell that to a citizens' review board. OPP has them. Sounds like RCMP need them.
That is bang-on, excellent point- oddly some of the folks posting mockery in this very thread were champions of that veil-removal crap, wonder how this obvious discrepancy can be explained away...
I believe you would be one scary masked vigilante alright. Harsh rules for the police to follow but not you. By the way - when do you want you buck back? (You did say you were paying for them did you not?). The justice you want by the way, may not be justice at all and with your limited experience, you could have the wrong the person but you wouldn't be accountable right? You would be the Masked Vigilante! Would you carry a gun or just leave the mark of Zzarchov ?
Oh I would be scary, you can bet on that. Just like an unaccountable police force. And they are accountable to the public, they are not above the law and can be charged for its breach.
Commonlaw countries have rules for citizens arrest because that used to be the only real method of arrest prior to about 150 years ago. Only phasing out in all places 60 odd years ago.
Even still the laws are still there.
Police are being paid to be accountable. Do you really want police who have no accountability for their actions?
Seriously, thats a police state, why the hell would I pay them to do that?
Why not just give the Military some Police Authority too. It doesn't matter how nice of people join, the average person is as nice as the average cop, I don't want anyone having a mask and a gun and no accountability.
Superheroes aren't cool nor a good idea in real life.
The point is they CAN be identified. That's what matters. Why do they need to be identifiable to everyone? That seems a strange requirement. As long as they can be identified, which we seem to agree they can, then they can be held accountable.
I don't see how you can say there is no increased risk to them if their faces are uncovered when you agree that makes them more easily identified. They are largely dealing with irate and often unbalanced people. The difference between them and the muslim woman voting is I can't recall a single incident of someone being targeted for violence by a pollster.
I feel this way partly because of my job, but I don't see how people can expect someone to do dangerous work and then be completely unwilling to budge an inch when it comes to safeguarding them. The attitude seems to be "they chose the job, so they should accept any danger to them and their family cause I WANT to see their face" (I say want because we clearly don't need to in order to make complaints about their behavior). No one is suggesting they shouldn't be held accountable for their actions, no one is suggesting they should get to do whatever they want.
I don't cover my last name at work, but if I worked in the emergency room I would. If I worked in a psych unit I would. I've turned my badge around when dealing with certain families. They could still get my last name by asking for their medical records, but it would be more trouble which would hopefully discourage them if they have no legitimate complaint. Do you think nurses should have to accept any crazy person knowing their full name and thus have an easy time finding out where they live? I think it's the same with cops. Anyone with a legitimate complaint will be able to pursue it regardless of a baclava, but it will discourage the nutters.
You cannot pursue a legitimate complaint without being able to identify the individual.
For starters, How do you know which police officer hit the old woman in the head with a nightstick for no reason?
Assuming its not the person you report the claim to,
How do they prove who did it?
There are no witnesses.
Cop A may point to Cop B, Cop B then points to Cop A.
Now what?
Or worse, Cop A did, but Cop A and Cop B are friends, so they pin it on Cop C.
That is a terrible system. Who watches the watchmen comes to mind.
Police are not really that less likely to be involved in crime than anyone else. No matter how high up you go, people are the same. One of the most respected judges in Australia, nobel winner, is going to jail for perjury because he lied to get out of a traffic ticket.
For starters, How do you know which police officer hit the old woman in the head with a nightstick for no reason?
Assuming its not the person you report the claim to,
How do they prove who did it?
There are no witnesses.
Cop A may point to Cop B, Cop B then points to Cop A.
Now what?
Or worse, Cop A did, but Cop A and Cop B are friends, so they pin it on Cop C.
That is a terrible system. Who watches the watchmen comes to mind.
Police are not really that less likely to be involved in crime than anyone else. No matter how high up you go, people are the same. One of the most respected judges in Australia, nobel winner, is going to jail for perjury because he lied to get out of a traffic ticket.
No it wouldn't. Your point was they are don't have to account to the public. You didn't specify "under certain conditions"....