Why do the Police Need to Wear Masks
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I don't think I'd trust a piece of fabric with eye holes.
I think I'd wear a clear full faceguard with no room for excrement to get through.
Which all those police are wearing.
The mask has nothing to do with protecting their face, it is both unsuitable for the job and they wear the actual device that protects their face.
The masks are there to shield their identity, nothing more.
The faceguards don't connect to anything at the bottom. Excrement can be thrown up and still get em.
You complain, those who investigate are responsible for identifying the officer. They should be able to do so. Look at which unit was stationned there and look at the video evidence and testimony from other officers. It's at least as good as a badge number on a jacket.
That only works outside you-lie-and-I'll-swear-to-it cliques. Apparently "conspiracy" isn't just reserved for "loony lefties".....
This whole discussion seems to be circling back to the issue of accountability.
Currently the Police police the Police. That's just the way the system is currently
set up. The Police are still members of the public, as are their superiors, and Judges,
and so on and so forth. Everyone is (or should be) accountable for their actions to
the Public (and that means everyone with or without a badge).
If the Police police the Police, and only the Police can identify individual officers
who wear identical (more or less) uniforms with no identifying markings (if that is the
case?), then the door is open for a two tier legal system and that's just not right.
This leads to the "us vs.. them" mentality and that is not healthy for a functional
society.
Laws are written (in theory for the benefit of society= the Public, as a whole) by
representatives of the Public, elected by the Public, who are still members of the
Public. Law Enforcement Officers are hired by the Public, and are still members of
the Public. One set of laws...not one set of laws except for those that happen to
be in Law Enforcement.
We are all accountable (& answerable) to the Public. There is only one Criminal Code
in Canada. One neighbour isn't directly accountable to his neighbour as one Enforcement
Officer isn't directly accountable to another member of the Public. We have a system of
Justice in place (Courts, etc...). I think that is what this discussion is circling around, but
not directly addressing.
Currently the Police police the Police. That's just the way the system is currently
set up. The Police are still members of the public, as are their superiors, and Judges,
and so on and so forth. Everyone is (or should be) accountable for their actions to
the Public (and that means everyone with or without a badge).
If the Police police the Police, and only the Police can identify individual officers
who wear identical (more or less) uniforms with no identifying markings (if that is the
case?), then the door is open for a two tier legal system and that's just not right.
This leads to the "us vs.. them" mentality and that is not healthy for a functional
society.
Laws are written (in theory for the benefit of society= the Public, as a whole) by
representatives of the Public, elected by the Public, who are still members of the
Public. Law Enforcement Officers are hired by the Public, and are still members of
the Public. One set of laws...not one set of laws except for those that happen to
be in Law Enforcement.
We are all accountable (& answerable) to the Public. There is only one Criminal Code
in Canada. One neighbour isn't directly accountable to his neighbour as one Enforcement
Officer isn't directly accountable to another member of the Public. We have a system of
Justice in place (Courts, etc...). I think that is what this discussion is circling around, but
not directly addressing.
and some of these "rent- a- protesters" are actually under cover cops, as witnessed in many protests around the world, including Canada.
You mean on their plastic face guards?
If they are still worried about bouncing globlets hitting their neck and then bouncing up (not that a balaclava would protect the only area thats in danger, their eyes)
They make see through biohazard masks which would actually be cheaper than a balaclava (which would absorb chemicals used and and need frequent replacing)
Let me see - is there a way I can word anything without one of you getting bent out of shape about it? Ron from Regina doesn't like that I say they are not accountable to the public because law enforcement is the public. That's just nitpicking but rather than argue, I went with it. My point was that they are not accountable to the public (with the public as a separate entity) and they are not. A review board would be a body of people set up for their accountability and therefore not just any member(s) of the public. You know damn well that I am saying that they are not accountable to you or to me in that we do not have the right to walk up to them and demand an accounting of their actions. Actually, we can do that all we want. They just don't have to answer.
If I see a cop arresting someone, I do not have the right to ask why. If I see a cop being a little more rough than I agree with, I have the right to ask him for his name and badge number (or at least I think I have that right)so that I can report him to a Superior Officer if I want to. If you or anyone sees a law enforcement person doing something they believe to be wrong, they should report it.
Do you think a cop just hops in a car and heads out to anywhere? The radio room knows exactly who is driving what car in what area. They are not hard to identify. Do you not understand that the office has to know who is working, who to call and who to look after should they go missing?
If an officer is checking a car don't you think (s)he call's in the licence plate first? That tells the office where he is, what car he is in, and who he has stopped. There is a shift roster to check and see who is working. They don't just wake up and make a decision to go on shift for goodness sakes. Even the number of the car they are driving makes them known to the office. They could be driving Alpha 1, Bravo 10 or Charlie 15 etc. etc. They don't trade cars unless one goes back to the office and another one takes the car out. They are in constant radio contact with each other. There is constant accountability. It just depends on how you the public - choose to identify it.
Accountable to each other is not the same thing.
I find it really hard to grasp are people cannot accept the possibility of Dirty Cops, when we have so much money invested in rooting out dirty cops.
The rise in Cameras has lead to alot of evidence of police doing things we (the public) have not empowered them to do. The solution has not been to curb those behaviours but to better hide ones identity when using force.
All of these examples of accountability fail the corruption test. There is no system of checks and balances.
What do you do if a Dirty Cop is in charge of the records? Who do you think will be the "cop on duty", the one who did it who's well connected or the new rookie who won't take a bribe?
Self regulating groups are a bad idea. How did letting the banks keep themselves honest go again/
I find it really hard to grasp are people cannot accept the possibility of Dirty Cops, when we have so much money invested in rooting out dirty cops.
The rise in Cameras has lead to alot of evidence of police doing things we (the public) have not empowered them to do. The solution has not been to curb those behaviours but to better hide ones identity when using force.
All of these examples of accountability fail the corruption test. There is no system of checks and balances.
What do you do if a Dirty Cop is in charge of the records? Who do you think will be the "cop on duty", the one who did it who's well connected or the new rookie who won't take a bribe?
Self regulating groups are a bad idea. How did letting the banks keep themselves honest go again/