Well, I thought so too. The point is that it wasn't clear. He could just as easily been responding to the previous post.The tube video in the OP I would wager...
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The tube video in the OP I would wager...
Yes.
Got to the part where he said everyone hates the fact that Conservatives need to break the news about how nothing in life is free; lol'd and then hit the x button.
What's really stupid is that modern conservatives are actually libertarians that hate liberals.
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I have brothers living in the States, one of them a GP, and I know of what I speak. Most people in the States get the best healthcare in the world. US deniers will not believe that but that is their predjudice.
C'mon Walter, you've seen "Sicko". Moore says we get better free health care in Canada. And Cuba too.
That must be why some Canadians have to go south to get quicker service, and why Fidel had to leave Cuba to have his aliments taken care of.
An Ill-Conceived Health-Care Ranking - WSJ.com
Yea, WHO's ranking is from 2000 and I have no idea why we don't have a consistent analysis on this. The newsweek top 100 countries ranking is pretty recent and shows neither of us are doing so hot either.
PR-2000-43/ WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION : ASSESSES THE WORLD'S HEALTH SYSTEMS
Which of course was the premise of the original article I posted.
That's debatable, when 50 million don't even have health insurance. Maybe they do have the best, but what metric would you use objectively to provide evidence for such a claim? There are plenty of places in the world where people live longer. There are plenty of places where well being and satisfaction surveys return higher scores. There are plenty of places in the world where nobody has to claim bankruptcy because they can't pay a medical bill.
Put down the free market koolaid.
I simply deny they have the best healthcare system. It is not the most accessible at all. It doesn't produce the best results. Unless you have lots of money.
I have a self procured insurance package, reasonably priced, that made getting medical attention in the States, fast and efficient. While here at home, I was still on a waiting list, just to get an MRI (That I couldn't physically have anyways, due to the metal in my body). Just to finish the diagnosis.
It took about three days in the States, to do what would have taken months in Canada. That there is my problem with the Canadian system.
I've never received medical attention in other countries, other than the odd stitch, so I can only base my opinion on my experiences between the US and Canada.
Here's the newsweek rankings.. we're around 14 or 15th and the U.S. is 27th.
Interactive Infographic of the World's Best Countries - The Daily Beast
The Japanese have a pretty commendable record.
Interactive Infographic of the World's Best Countries - The Daily Beast
The Japanese have a pretty commendable record.
Ya, I looked it up when you mentioned it the first time.
Where did you get those ranks from? I see Canada ranked at 7 for health and the US at 26.
I read the metrics and methodology link from that page. The section on health, leaves a lot to be desired.
I counted the dots as there are tie-rankings in between. I gave the U.S. the benefit of the doubt.
Healthy life expectancy is a decent enough starting point.
That's one of the reasons WHO abandoned the task. There are far to many variables to track. To come to an accurate conclusion.
These sort of charts only make for happy (Or not so happy, depending on where your country ranks) nationalists.
Lower tax rates and in addition to lower wage scales, better access to labour markets, etc..
It plays a role but most of the nation's that Canada trades with have similar economies and the difference in those critical areas are nt dramatic (I'm thinking Europe, America, etc).
Labour is one significant component. Also consider raw materials and/or energy to produce or transport your product.
Trade barriers (in my view) are a form of protectionism and to a degree, they are needed. However, when a domestic sector relies on those barriers as a dedicated competitive edge, then I see the practice as non-productive.
No doubt. In my view, this topic regarding companies moving offshore has little to do with differing political ideologies.
I always thought that individual or collective style of life in this case....diet, execise ect...decided your healthy life expectancy, not your hospital system....unless you are one of those who wants big brother to control your life of course:smile:
They both play their respective part, along with several other factors.
They'd have to, to control diet, recreational activities, and so on. To make ranking as easy and accurate as some people think it is.
Hey, I'm not one against more options here in Canada, in fact I would like to see more private insurance options available...but Walter is making claims about the US system as a whole, when there is a very clear class effect. The wait times for Medicaid are longer than for some treatment options in Canada. Some Doctors won't even accept Medicaid coverage. Medication is not as accessible for Americans either. It's not a cut and dry claim Walter is making.