Why Catholic isn't Christian.

[petros]

Ah! That explains everything... a recent convert. They are the most obnoxious of them all, self righteous, arrogant and sanctimonious. I should know. there was a time I was too but I found out, not only was I wrong, I had become a dick head, so I try not to be anymore.

Just thought you would like to know, it is not about your beliefs but about your personality.

It's even worse when a drunk or junkie "find Jesus". Double barreled bull**** dispensers.

And whoever made this half baked claim that Catholics aren't Christian should perhaps take up the bottle or start spiking. If reality is already illusive may as well stay sedated to avoid these silly thought flare ups.

 

[Cliffy]

It's even worse when a drunk or junkie "find Jesus". Double barreled bull**** dispensers.

And whoever made this half baked claim that Catholics aren't Christian should perhaps take up the bottle or start spiking. If reality is already illusive may as well stay sedated to avoid these silly thought flare ups.

Yup! It seems like most recent converts I have met have traded the bottle or the needle for the cross. I'm sure JC really loves being used as a substitute crutch. what I find sad is that when the person is healed that they don't throw away the crutch and get on with life. Perhaps it is because they never really deal with the reason for their addiction.

 

[petros]

Yup! It seems like most recent converts I have met have traded the bottle or the needle for the cross. I'm sure JC really loves being used as a substitute crutch. what I find sad is that when the person is healed that they don't throw away the crutch and get on with life. Perhaps it is because they never really deal with the reason for their addiction.

Jesus is the dad they never had. If Jesus were really their dad he'd still be disappointed and kick their asses for being idiots and hanging out with losers. He wouldn't be all lovy dovey like these people think a real dad would be and they wouldn't bother looking for or eventually finding Jesus because he'd kick them out of the house too.

 

[Cliffy]

Jesus is the dad they never had. If Jesus were really their dad he'd still be disappointed and kick their asses for being idiots and hanging out with losers. He wouldn't be all lovy dovey like these people think a real dad would be and they wouldn't bother looking for or eventually finding Jesus because he'd kick them out of the house too.

Back in my idealistic days I wanted to save mankind too, but my life went to hell really fast. Now I wonder why the thought ever entered my mind. I look around and wonder why god would want all these pesky little carbon units around. All they do is demand stuff of him and destroy what he created. If I were god, I would evict them just for all the ass kissing they do.

 

[rbcatholic]

This is one of the most ridiculous pieces of tripe i have ever had the misfortune to hear.

Let me show you where you have gone so badly wrong...

1. "In Roman Catholicism this is generally accompanied with the rosary as a way of ensuring enough prayers have been said. (You know that divine number of prayers required before God or Mary listens.) "

This is absolute fabricated nonsence. Rosaries are not vain and repetative prayers. You completely disregard the medatative aspect which forms 90% of the rosary prayer - Hail Mary's are only said really to give an idea of how long to spend meditating. There is no "set mumber of prayers required before God hears".

2. "Prayer to Mary or other saints/angels: Another large difference between Catholicism and Christianity is the allowance prayer to people or things other than Jesus and God...
What Christians believe is this: 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus"

First of all, Catholics are Christians. In fact, 60% of people who believe Jesus is Lord are Catholic. With regard to prayer to Mary / angels / saints, we do not believe they can give us anything directly but rather that they will pray to God for us.

"This makes it pretty obvious that you aren’t supposed to pray to anyone other than God and Jesus. (Read from 2:1 on for full context.). While the bible does mention in a few places having other LIVING people pray for you it NEVER mentions asking a dead person to pray for you. As that would be prayer to the dead person and if it worked it would mean they have power over God, and that just isn’t the case, and that INCLUDES MARY!"

Really? Where does the Bible say we should pray to God alone? If a living person prays for us and it comes true, does this mean the living person is more powerful than God? We ask the intercession of saints because we believe they were the most righteous, the most exemplary, and therefore their prayers are more powerful than ours. (Proverbs 15:29)

3. "Probably the most important difference is Salvation: In Roman Catholicism there are many ways to “better your chances” to go to heaven, including repentance of mortal sins, purgatory, or wearing a scapula when you die."

Did anyone actually research this?

1. Repentance of sin is required to get into heaven in any denoination's beliefs, i think. Correct me if i am wrong.
2. Purgatory does not "help you get into heaven" since those in purgatory are definitely going to heaven anyway. The hellbound won't go there, just straight to hell.
3. A SCAPULAR not a SCAPULA (at least learn the correct spelling) is similar to Purgatory in this sence - if you are wearing one when you die it is a sign you are surely going to heaven. Actually wearing one does not affect your chances of salvation at all, other than it is a sign of devotion to Our Lady.
4. Sola Fide is very foolish: (Matthew 5:48, Matthew 7:21, Luke 8:21, Luke 10:25-28, 1 Corinthians 13:13, 1 Corinthians 13:2-3, better tear out and burn pretty much all of the book of James, too.)

"Christianity is not about the traditions of man, nor does it allow change to the word of God (the Bible)"

Catholicism is not about the traditions of man, either. Tradition is part of the Word of God (2 The 2:15, 2 Tim 2:2, 2 The 3:6, 1 Cor 11:2).

By the way, if we are to hold to sola scriptura, let me ask you a question. Have you ever heard of the Protoevangelism, the Transistus or the shepherd of Hermas? Thought not. Yet these were all books written in the early centuries by christian disciples, just like the gospels and epistles, yet they were not included in teh Bible. Why? Because the church fathers decided they were not divinely inspired. How did they decide this? Using sacred tradition. If you say tradition is uninspired, you deal a body blow to the authority of the Bible. This argument is self refuting.

I was shocked by the level of misrepresentation of both the Bible and Catholic belief in this article, and i was stunned at the obvious and striking lack of research. If you want to argue against Catholicism, fine, but please do so from a scholarly point of view using well researched and structured arguments - not using this warped theology and misrepresentation of belief you have here.

God bless.

 

[Cliffy]

I was shocked by the level of misrepresentation of both the Bible and Catholic belief in this article, and i was stunned at the obvious and striking lack of research. If you want to argue against Catholicism, fine, but please do so from a scholarly point of view using well researched and structured arguments - not using this warped theology and misrepresentation of belief you have here.

rbcatholic

What is you opinion about the preists who boink little boys? Or that the Pope tells Africans infected with Aids that they can't wear condoms?

The early christian writings that were left out of the bible were because they did not fit into the political agenda of Constantine or the church founders. You can read catholic history all you want, but you will never find the truth. It is all self aggrandizing propaganda. Just because you believe the bible is the word of god and the ultimate authority, doesn't make it so. In fact, if you look at the mayhem it has caused in the past two thousand years, there is no way that the bible, the catholic church or any other earthly organization can make that claim.

 

[gerryh]

I was shocked by the level of misrepresentation of both the Bible and Catholic belief in this article, and i was stunned at the obvious and striking lack of research. If you want to argue against Catholicism, fine, but please do so from a scholarly point of view using well researched and structured arguments - not using this warped theology and misrepresentation of belief you have here.

rbcatholic

What is you opinion about the preists who boink little boys? Or that the Pope tells Africans infected with Aids that they can't wear condoms?

The early christian writings that were left out of the bible were because they did not fit into the political agenda of Constantine or the church founders. You can read catholic history all you want, but you will never find the truth. It is all self aggrandizing propaganda. Just because you believe the bible is the word of god and the ultimate authority, doesn't make it so. In fact, if you look at the mayhem it has caused in the past two thousand years, there is no way that the bible, the catholic church or any other earthly organization can make that claim.

Still preaching your brand of truth, eh cliffy.

 

[Cliffy]

Still preaching your brand of truth, eh cliffy.

If others are going to preach their brand of truth, why would I refrain? I'm a proud ex-catholic and I'm here to say that there is life after catholicism.

 

[gerryh]

If others are going to preach their brand of truth, why would I refrain? I'm a proud ex-catholic and I'm here to say that there is life after catholicism.

The thing is cliffy, rbcatholic wasn't preaching, he was clearing up "misconceptions" concerning Catholisism that was presented in the OP.

You, on the other hand, preached.

 

[In Between Man]

If others are going to preach their brand of truth, why would I refrain? I'm a proud ex-catholic and I'm here to say that there is life after catholicism.

That really does explain a lot. With all respect to my Catholic brothers and sisters, Catholicism has unfortunately inoculated people against Christianity.

It has a lot of unnecessary "religion" in my opinion.

I heard that Catholics pray to God THRU the saints, angels, and Mary. Is this true? Since God hears you anyway, and since Jesus himself prayed directly to the Father, isn't all that stuff rather unnecessary like I said?

Any catholics here agree with me? Disagree?

Cliffy, I'm sorry the RCC put a bad taste in your mouth. Please come home and receive the so many better things you can have...

We can go get coffee at any place you want. What do you have in Naskup? Timmies? Starbucks?

 

[gerryh]

I heard that Catholics pray to God THRU the saints, angels, and Mary. Is this true? Since God hears you anyway, and since Jesus himself prayed directly to the Father, isn't all that stuff rather unnecessary like I said?

rbcatholic has already answered that question.

 

[In Between Man]

rbcatholic has already answered that question.

Can you please provide a link or something?

 

[gerryh]

scroll up the page...it's the only post he's made. Do you not read the threads you post in?

 

[Cliffy]

The thing is cliffy, rbcatholic wasn't preaching, he was clearing up "misconceptions" concerning Catholisism that was presented in the OP.

You, on the other hand, preached.

I fail to see how questioning the authority of the church and the bible constitutes preaching.

 

[In Between Man]

scroll up the page...it's the only post he's made. Do you not read the threads you post in?

okay got it. You think they pray for you, you still believe that you only pray to God. That's great. But is it not still unnecessary? You don't need any of that. No statues of Mary, no confession booth, no rosary beads.

What Christian needs is simplification. This way, unbelievers are more comfortable and find it easier to accept Jesus Christ as their savior.

Grab your coffee and lets have church in a public place so others can see the message and gifts, not the religious building, with the religious atmosphere intimidating those weak or absent in faith.

So like I said, grab a coffee and help the good faith's flock grow!

Out of the pews and into the streets!!!
Out of the pews and into the streets!!!
Out of the pews and into the streets!!!

 

[gerryh]

alleywayz...... how would you like it if I started telling you that you didn't "need" to do what you are doing.....what you believe.... that you intimidated the "weak".......

 

[darkbeaver]

Christ was a protestant, that is a fact.

 

[herald]

Mary was a sinner, that, is why she rejoiced in God, her Savior. Lu 1:47.

There is no Papacy, Purgatory, worship of Mary, Mary as Mediator and on and on.

Jesus died once for all and doesn't need to be offered over and over again to the Father as a "victim." Heb 7:27;9:28.

Jesus said, ""Verily, verily I say unto you, Except a man be born of water and OF THE SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5.

We were born into sin the first time, and we must be born again. When His Spirit is within you, you will have eternal life - because He is eternal life. He doesn't beat the door down, He waits until we invite Him to come into our heart.

 

[darkbeaver]

Christ didn't die for us he lived for us.

 

[istherehelp]

Christ didn't die for us he lived for us.

he did both. he had to be complete saviour!