Why Catholic isn't Christian.

In Between Man

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RCC doctrine isn't Christian because it claims that I need to live a life of good acts to be reconciled with the Father.

But that denies the sufficiency of Christ death. And that's wrong!!!! So now it's up to the Catholic believer, if he/she believes they are saved through God's grace, they're on the winning team, but if they follow the modern Pharisees of our time...
 

karrie

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Alley, it boils down to interpretation and personal choice. Don't let leaders get you caught up in the act of finger pointing and casting judgments on others. No matter what life you try to live, it drags it down.
 

L Gilbert

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haha it says they should be submissive or subjective to GOD, as must men. Although it also asks in other sections for women to be submissive to their husbands. But it doesn't ask them to be oppressed.

AGAIN I say, LOOK UP THE WORD OPPRESSION you don't know what it means.

Oppression: "unjust or cruel exercise of authority or power "

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
So you don't think treating women as subservient is a cruel exercise of power or authority? What an odd idea. Try that with my wife. :D
 

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Graeme:

I'm not being critical but a few references would be nice, otherwise they remain just your opinion. A refutation of articles of Church dogma would also be of help siting the Church's view. The Catechism comes to mind. (English Translation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church with Search Utility).

For instance if you can present some ancient letters that give substance to the new roman/christian policy. As far as I know from various sources the Romans just considered Christians a pain in the butt.

AndyF
 

coldstream

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RCC doctrine isn't Christian because it claims that I need to live a life of good acts to be reconciled with the Father.

But that denies the sufficiency of Christ death. And that's wrong!!!! ...



This is a quote from Peter 2, Peter of course being the person Christ chose to establish his Church on earth.. and more specifically the Rock on which it is built.

3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires. 5 For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; 6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love. 8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But if any of you do not have them, you are nearsighted and blind, and you have forgotten that you have been cleansed from your past sins.

There are others from Paul that assert the Faith and Works are cooperative ventures in salvation. One is insufficient without the other. It validates human charity and endeavour with the goodness of Creation, and Man as created in God's Image as having an obligation to act in furthering God's mission.

Prostestanism 'faith' alone doctrine has fomented a creed that has produced a church that is in continual schismatic division, lacking any central authourity other than individual communion with God. Its theology has been scattered to the point that it lacks any consistensy with each other, and in many cases integrity to scripture.

It is markedly impoverished in terms of imagery; in Marian devotion; in the depth of its liturgy (especially compared with the transcendent Tridentine Latin Mass); in its understanding of the Eucharist as transubstantiation; in its conception of Purgartory; in its prayer regime, notably that of the Rosary, Chaplets, and prayers and imitation of the Saints.

Unfortunately Catholicism has taken a cue in some of its precincts from Protestanism. The vernacular Novus Ordo Mass is really a response to the communal aspects of Protestant liturgies, and a markedly unsuccesful one.. lacking the mystery and deep sense of communion of the original.

Ultimately i think Protestanism will be scattered to the winds. You see that in Churches like the Anglican, which have been simple reflections of an increasingly distressed and corrupt popular culture, and whose membership is now in free fall.

The strongest Protestant churches are the Pentacostal and Conservative Baptist theologies. The former dependent on charismatic ministry and experience, the latter on rigid Biblical literalism, and both seem incapable of broaching the complexity of modern life and its challenges.

The Catholic Church has its challenges, but for a resurgence it is going to have to quit emulating the failed experiment of Protestanism and go back to its roots. And nothing is more important there than revitalizing the Traditional Latin Mass.. which is happening now, thanks to Benedict 16
 
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coldstream

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PERVERT ALERT!!! PERVERT ALERT!!!




The Roman Catholic church is a cesspool of homosexual perverts and pedophiles. Pedophilia and homosexuality are inseparable (as many as 50% of all Catholic priests are Sodomites). Sad to say, the Catholic Church is able to hide the grossest of sins and are arrogant enough to be insulted when questioned about it.
Catholicism is a lie of the devil, a prison-house of religion. If I didn't sincerely care about people, then I wouldn't take the time to WARN you. The Catholic religion is all a bunch of Satanic lies based upon traditions and ridiculous manipulations of the Word of God.

Those are pretty wide ranging charges Quandary. Most of your charges can be dealt with by simply stating the Scripture itself is filled with contradictions, parables, visions, vagueries.. which is why a Church with an established hierarchy is needed to to provide a consistent interpretation of it as well as articulating the ongoing revelation of the Holy Spirit.

But it is the charges of pederasty in the priesthood that have caused it the most pain in the last few decades. Virtually all of the charges of pedophilia in the Church come from one source.. homosexuality in the priesthood. Some estimates have the representation of homosexuals in the priesthood at 30%, although it likely about half that in terms of actual practice, of those who have no respect for their vows of celibacy.

Of these it is estimated that fully 1/3 have used their positions to prey on children, almost all of them boys and young men. There are homosexual cliques within the priesthood who openly recruit other homosexuals, and control seminaries where an intense homoerotic atmosphere has been fostered, completely undermining the essential process of priestly formation.

It is important to note the source of this is not celibacy, which has existed in the Church from its earliest and apostolic period. The problem is specifically the character of homosexuality, which is a product of stunted emotional and sexual maturity, unresolved infantile fixations, self idolatry and inability to develop adult cooperative human relationships..and resulted in these self absorbed damaged psyches seeking shelter in the institution of the Church.

The modernization of the Church, with its loss of tradition and mystery, led to a huge decline in vocations and an outflow of priests, starting in the 1960s.. which then led seminaries to compromise on its requirements for psychological and sexual maturity in prospective priests.. and led directly to the current problems.

The Church has tried to establish clear criteria, including forbidding anyone with even an inclination to homsexuality from the admission to the priesthood as a response to the crisis. But the established cliques have done everything to sabotage this, and protect pedophiles. The Church has perhaps 5% - 15% individuals who are outright frauds, predators.. or people with deep seated psychological damage and dependencies.

Part of the solution will be abandonning the modernizing, secularizing... and Protestanizing.. elements of Vatican 2, or specifically the 'Spirit of Vatican 2" under which aegis this abomination has been perpetrated on the Church. But that'll take a long time, and it'll never be perfect.

The worst thing would be to abandon the celibate priesthood, from which the integrity, reason and religiosity of the Church, unique amongst Christian Churches, is derived. It's closest facsimile has been the Orthodox Churches, which allows marriage under tightly controlled conditions (married prior to taking vows, no divorce).. for pastors, not bishops or members of the Magisterium (bishops, patriachs, curia).. but it has nothing like the intellectual , theological heritage or depth of Catholicism, much of which are derived from celibacy.. and true divine ordination.

B16 has declared a year of revitalizing the priesthood next year, which even he acknowledges has been flooded with 'filth' (his words), and has lost its appeal to many of those with real callings
 
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It is important to note the source of this is not celibacy, which has existed in the Church from its earliest and apostolic period. The problem is specifically the character of homosexuality, which is a product of stunted emotional and sexual maturity, unresolved infantile fixations, self idolatry and inability to develop adult cooperative human relationships..and resulted in these self absorbed damaged psyches seeking shelter in the institution of the Church.

coldstream,

I expect you will get your a$$ handed to you by a number of people on this forum. Your take on homosexuality in general is archaic and misinformed, just as your view of the RC. The church has been an abomination since its inception. Pedophilia is just a natural outcome of an unnatural institution. Celibacy causes insanity.
 

karrie

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coldstream,

I expect you will get your a$$ handed to you by a number of people on this forum. Your take on homosexuality in general is archaic and misinformed, just as your view of the RC. The church has been an abomination since its inception. Pedophilia is just a natural outcome of an unnatural institution. Celibacy causes insanity.

You think that if you didn't get any you'd go rape little boys? That's says something about you Cliffy.
 

Cliffy

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You think that if you didn't get any you'd go rape little boys? That's says something about you Cliffy.

Actually, I was thinking mostly of the sadistic penguins who used to beat the crap out of us in grade 1 because they didn't get nun. As for the priests, it wasn't your ass they were after, it was mine when I was an alter boy. I managed to get away with an intact colon but a complete disrespect for the church and its priests and nuns.

Personally, I prefer women over forty. At least they don't play childish games (as much).
 

karrie

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Actually, I was thinking mostly of the sadistic penguins who used to beat the crap out of us in grade 1 because they didn't get nun. As for the priests, it wasn't your ass they were after, it was mine when I was an alter boy. I managed to get away with an intact colon but a complete disrespect for the church and its priests and nuns.

Personally, I prefer women over forty. At least they don't play childish games (as much).

You think getting laid makes women inherently nicer? You're joking right?

And everything you've described is **** that kids have had to deal with from authority figures regardless of what they wear or what religion they follow. Authority attracts freaks and pedophiles. Plain and simple.
 

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All the so-called "Christian" religions are nothing but debasement of Roman Catholicism, starting with Johann Calvin and Martin Luther.

Monkeyed by all others, with the possible exception of Mormons.
 

Cliffy

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You think getting laid makes women inherently nicer? You're joking right?

And everything you've described is **** that kids have had to deal with from authority figures regardless of what they wear or what religion they follow. Authority attracts freaks and pedophiles. Plain and simple.

They are probably not as brutal, a little less prone to outbursts of rage. At least that has been my experience. And although I have had considerable experience in my 63 years, I have had no where near as much as I would like to have had.;-):lol:
 

In Between Man

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Alley, it boils down to interpretation and personal choice. Don't let leaders get you caught up in the act of finger pointing and casting judgments on others. No matter what life you try to live, it drags it down.

I'm not judging anyone. I'm actually try to explain how easy salvation actually is. It's not a path of good acts, but rather a wide open door.

If I wanted to judge how others live their lives I would be a total hypocrite seeing as I've sinned a lot.

I merely wish to spend my life pointing others towards the door.