Why are most Muslim countries so backward?
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They are? How so? At least half of them have no effect on the law at all, and two more only tangentially.
The only three I can think of that are mostly carried into the law are 6, 8, and 9.
Nope. A few of the 10 commandments just happen to be common sense. Do you honestly think that Christians invented the idea that killing and stealing are bad things?
If our laws actually gave any respect to the 10 commandments, wouldn't we also have laws about worshiping people other than god, graven images, honoring thy mother and father, and adultery?
Is it not actually Muslim countries that have very harsh laws on things like adultery, worshiping the wrong god, creating images, etc?
Felonious coveting. 10-30 in da joint.
And failin' honour yer mudder. Dat'll get yiz a stretch in stir.
This is nothing but a Fukin Hate Thread.
Opps Walter I gave you a green.
Prove your statement.
Opps Walter I gave you a green.
Prove your statement.
Perhaps I should have used purple text to show my sarcasm. Still doesn't excuse that Christians were behind this, let alone the representatives of God and figure heads of a Christian group.
Mainly? Sorry, that's not entirely true.... the fact is, it still exists in other Christian sects.
The Other Shoe: Child Molesting by Non-Catholic Clergy
The Other Shoe: Child Molesting by Non-Catholic Clergy | The Bilerico Project
"....According to a Christian Science Monitor report in 2002: "Despite headlines focusing on the priest pedophile problem in the Roman Catholic Church, most American churches being hit with child sexual-abuse allegations are Protestant, and most of the alleged abusers are not clergy or staff, but church volunteers."
The Monitor went on to reveal, "These are findings from national surveys by Christian Ministry Resources (CMR), a tax and legal-advice publisher serving more than 75,000 congregations and 1,000 denominational agencies nationwide. CMR's annual surveys of about 1,000 churches nationwide have asked about sexual abuse since 1993. They're a remarkable window on a problem that lurked largely in the shadows of public awareness until the Catholic scandals arose."....."
So much for that argument. Oh but I imagine you want to change your goalposts and point that the report says it's not so much the clergy or staff but volunteers.
I'll save you the time and state that these volunteers are Christians too, so they fit in the same category.
Read the rest of the link, you might find much of the information quite interesting.
You like to show off all sorts of links and information from the web when it suits you and your continual attack on Muslims, yet here's some different information to enlighten you on the religion you're so readily willing to defend through ignorance.
I suppose you're allowed to pick and choose what you think are "Problems" but if we're going to talk about religions and the bad things they do, let's keep in mind that Christianity, Judaism and Islam all worship the exact same God.... and in the eyes of God, Evil is Evil. You don't get to pick and choose what evils are worse than others and ignore the ones you want to suit your ignorant arguments. You may think people blowing things up with bomb vests and killing people is evil and molesting little children isn't so bad, but in my view, they're all equally evil and do just as much harm as the other.
One set of evil may end the lives of others, yet the other evil affects its victims for the rest of their lives and often leads them to ending their lives anyways because nobody will help them..... while the people who did these horrible acts upon them are continually looked up upon by their communities as being "Good Christians"
Again, Evil is Evil.... you trivialize and ignore the things Christians have done in order to make another religion look more evil.
EVIL is EVIL in the eyes of God.
And when you want to compare with Islam has done over the years compared to Christianity, maybe we should look at both religions as a whole and sum up what evils each has done since the dawn of their creation. When you look at all the things Christianity has done over the centuries, Islam has a lot of catching up to do.
Oh but you'd say that Christianity has gotten better in the last century, or even the last decade?
Hardly. Let's not forget what many Christians did to the Jews in WWII. Like it or not, Hitler did have Christian roots.
Source?
Sure:
Hitler Was a Christian - The Holocaust was caused by Christian fundamentalism:
Hitler was a Christian
"As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party"
and specifically:
"Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.
Now, you must remember before Hitler rose to Chancellor of Germany the country was in a deep economic depression due to the Versailles treaty. The Versailles treaty demanded that Germans made financial reparations for the previous war and Germany simply was not self sufficient enough in order to pay the debt. Hitler was the leader that raised Germany out of the depression and brought them back to a world recognized power. Due to his annulment of the financial woes of the Germanic people he became their redeemer and they anointed him as the leader of the German Reich Christian Church in 1933. This placed him in power of the German Christian Socialist movement which legislates their political and religious agendas. It united all denominations, mainly the Protestant/Catholic and Lutheran people to instill faith in a national Christianity."
^ There's how "safe" the world is from Christian Fundamentalists.
... and there is much more. Feel free to educate yourself.
Beyond that, when the Holocaust started to unfold, more Muslim nations took in Jews than "Christian" nations.
The Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust
BBC News - The Muslims who saved Jews from the Holocaust
The Great Mosque of Paris that saved Jews during the Holocaust
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Arab rescue efforts during the Holocaust
Arab rescue efforts during the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Meanwhile, there was a lot of opposition in Christian nations in accepting Jewish refugees, including the US:
International response to the Holocaust
International response to the Holocaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The United States also refused to grant temporary refuge to Jews fleeing Europe. In the wake of the Great Depression, the United States had a highly restrictive immigration quota system, but even the limited quota spots were not filled. The Department of State refused to fill 90% of the quota spots that might have been available for European Jews.
In 998 press conferences, during more than a decade in office served wholly within the Nazi era, President Roosevelt never delivered the "appeal to the German people" regarding the Reich's treatment of Jews that he said he would. It was a Treasury official called Josiah DuBois who, risking his career, authored his celebrated "Report to the Secretary on the Acquiescence of this Government in the Murder of the Jews" that documented State Department efforts to thwart Jewish immigration from Europe. It was DuBois's report that furnished Treasury Secretary Morgenthau with the ammunition he needed to force Roosevelt into creating the War Refugee Board.
Before during and after World War II, The New York Times maintained a consistent policy to minimize reporting on the Holocaust. To this end, it placed such reportage deep inside its daily editions, while obscuring in those stories the special impact of the Nazis' crimes on Jews in particular....."
Meanwhile your beloved Britain wasn't much better:
"By 1938, some 450,000 of about 900,000 German Jews had fled Germany, mostly to British Mandate Palestine (a number which also included over 50,000 German Jews who had taken advantage of the Haavara, or "Transfer" Agreement between German Zionists and the Nazis), but British immigration quotas prevented many from migrating. In March 1938, Hitler annexed Austria and made the 200,000 Jews of Austria stateless refugees. In September, Britain and France granted Hitler the right to occupy the Sudetenland of Czechoslovakia, and in March 1939, Hitler occupied the remainder of the country, making a further 200,000 Jews stateless....."
And more.
Oh boo friggin hoo.... maybe there's a reason for it.
And the most persecuted?
Really?
I think Jews win that, sorry to say. But it's all about the Christians... poor poor Christians, my heart bleeds.
God you're comical. You'll try and excuse Christian pedophiles and separate them from the rest of Christians or dub the bad things Christians do in the world as "Isolated Incidents" but won't do the same thing for Muslims cuz they're all the same to you.
Yet you still lump all Muslims in the same category by ignoring the moderates around the world and within our own societies by continually lingering on the extremists.
And when I do the same thing towards Christians, suddenly I'm wrong to do so and a different set of rules should be applied.... after all, Christians are poor innocent victims and the most persecuted in the world.
Again, that's the very definition of hypocrisy.
I don't see a problem. A "Crazed Christian Fundamentalist" basically means "HE DID NOT REPRESENT CHRISTIANITY" as a whole.
Hence the "Crazed" part added there.... he was crazy.
#1 - Regardless of their population, they deserve a place of worship just as any other religion.
#2 - "We" as in "Western Societies" are far from being "Too Happy" to have them..... you're proof of that, but if you want more proof:
Across Nation, Mosque Projects Meet Opposition
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/us/08mosque.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Want more?
Google: "opposition to mosques" and if you want, add "UK" onto the end and see what comes up.
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns
Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns - U.S. News
Mosques in U.S. That Have Experienced Violent, Prejudiced, or Racist Incidents
The American Muslim (TAM)
How about the UK?
Research reveals HALF of all Britain's mosques have been attacked since 9/11 as anti-Islam violence spreads
Research reveals HALF of all Britain's mosques have been attacked since 9/11 as anti-Islam violence spreads | Mail Online
Jews help guard UK mosques after attacks
Jews help guard UK mosques after attacks - Features - Al Jazeera English
Yes.... you guys are just so happy to have Mosques in your communities... you guys never hurt a fly and are so much more peaceful.
Da'Fuk?
That's because the claim is so full of sh*t it doesn't deserve reporting.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the above is irrelevant.
Says you and your ignorant assumptions.
"Near" ground zero.... it wasn't going to be built next door. Tell me, how close is too close?? How far away should it be built? The next State away??
They planned on building it three blocks away, not right next door and not on ground zero either. People like you try to make it out to be far more than it is just for the sake of fear mongering.
Either way.... if/when they build it, let's see exactly what happens in such a peaceful, "Christian" nation and see how long it takes for some Americans to bomb it or otherwise destroy it.
He is not my God anymore and I'll say whatever the sweet fk I want and how I want.
If you and Boomer are allowed to spout whatever the hell you want, then so can I..... I don't adhere to your backwards religious dogma.
What are you going to do about it?
Are you going to try and kill me? Are you and Boomer going to add me to your list of people slated for Genocide?
Wouldn't surprise me.
God can lick my ay'nus in a homosexual fashion...... go ahead, make a move.... I fk'n dare you.
You didn't strike a nerve at all.... I'm stating facts and the actual truth. I have little patience for ignorance and extremists views from people who finger wag at other extremists.
And over 80% of the people in India, where gang rapes are very common and have been in the media spotlight recently, are Hindu.
Maybe you should add them to your Genocide list.
Yup all us Christian people are the terrorists and those wonderful muslims are just misunderstood .
Maybe you are living in the wrong country .
And if that's what you took out of all of that, then you're just further confirming the level of ignorance and incompetence Christians have at debating real facts.
Here, i'll dumb it down a little more for you so you can grasp what I'm trying to explain:
You're no better than the Muslims you b*tch about.
If you still can't figure it out, I'll see if i have a pop up book around here to simplify it further.
Yup I am fitting my daughter for a suicide vest as we speak .
I would use my son as well but he is to valuable .
Yup with the amount of people in here who can't properly debate or refute what I posted, whom resort to trivial neg reps and the same ignorant quips, dimwits galore.
Calling for the genocide of any group and supporting those who do are indeed just as bad as those they wish it upon..... If not, worse.
But like school children, it boils down to "He started it."
You sure about that?
Since this entire thread is based on generalizations, you probably are.... cuz I'm sure all the moderate Muslims in our western nations are doing the same.
The moment people can be a bit more mature and stop generalizing entire groups of people as being the same, I will too.
Don't forget, I didn't start the generalizations in here, but I will use the same logic and type of arguments to show just how flawed other's arguments are in here.
Calling for the genocide of any group and supporting those who do are indeed just as bad as those they wish it upon..... If not, worse.
But like school children, it boils down to "He started it."
You sure about that?
Since this entire thread is based on generalizations, you probably are.... cuz I'm sure all the moderate Muslims in our western nations are doing the same.
The moment people can be a bit more mature and stop generalizing entire groups of people as being the same, I will too.
Don't forget, I didn't start the generalizations in here, but I will use the same logic and type of arguments to show just how flawed other's arguments are in here.
I do appreciate the double standard applied by some hypocrites when it's open season for them when they discuss Christians......
I'm more than willing to let Christians live their own lives, believe what they want and all that rainbow lovey dovey crap.... just as I will do the same for any other religion or belief.
But the moment someone starts promoting genocide of a group of people, especially based on what they believe in (regardless if they're moderates & peaceful or extremists) all the while pumping up how great their religion is in comparison (while ignoring the wrong doings that have existed throughout history by those using that religion as a justification) then they lose that level of respect and don't deserve a pat on the back.
And if someone wants to get all upset over that and want to b*tch me out over it.... big whoop. If they can't take what they dish out, they can suck it up.
Now if people want to actually discuss what to do towards extremists, such as prevention, defense, counteracting, etc.... sure. But when someone want to be ignorant and to do the same thing to both extremists and peaceful moderates simply because they both share a similar belief system, then they can kiss my ***.
As always with me in here, if people debate and talk maturely, I will too. If someone wants to act like an ignorant little child, spew hatred & promote genocide due to their ignorance, then they get treated accordingly.
So the lot of you can go ahead and keep responding with your 1 liner quips, believing they somehow win an argument or debate, you're only fooling yourself and your little minority of back patters.
Besides, we all know exactly what kind of people you guys are.
You come onto the internet to spew your hatred and ignorance, all the while promoting the killing and wiping out of entire groups of people from the planet, yet in the real world you wouldn't have a single testicle between you all to actually go through with any of it.
Just a bunch of puffed up chicken sh*ts.
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That's what I call a long line of usual bullshyte from a pseudo intellectual...
You and Doc would make a great team....
I have always found it hard to hate people I don't know. Most Muslims are not extremists.
The problem is the extremists dictate the overall agenda. It is a prime example of a
society that never matured. Religion is allowed to dictate politics and individual development
The other problem is the lifestyles of Islam and western culture are so different there is little
in the way of finding common ground.
For the west a society that is open and enjoys the basic human freedoms and constitutional
rights it is under pressure to accommodate a culture that contains little of any commonality.
Early in this decade a struggle began for prominence in our own back yard. The struggle will
end in conflict because we in the west with societal views cannot come to grips with the fact
we cannot in the end tolerate the practices of those who fly in the face of democracy
It is time to wake up and realize we are headed for conflict it is the best way to prevent it
Yes it is time as a society we developed backbone.
The problem is the extremists dictate the overall agenda. It is a prime example of a
society that never matured. Religion is allowed to dictate politics and individual development
The other problem is the lifestyles of Islam and western culture are so different there is little
in the way of finding common ground.
For the west a society that is open and enjoys the basic human freedoms and constitutional
rights it is under pressure to accommodate a culture that contains little of any commonality.
Early in this decade a struggle began for prominence in our own back yard. The struggle will
end in conflict because we in the west with societal views cannot come to grips with the fact
we cannot in the end tolerate the practices of those who fly in the face of democracy
It is time to wake up and realize we are headed for conflict it is the best way to prevent it
Yes it is time as a society we developed backbone.