Why are most Muslim countries so backward?

[coldstream]

The question should be why so many Muslim countries are so 'forward'. The fact is that the further Muslim societies get from influence of Western Christian culture.. the more they are inundated with tribalism, constant warfare, slavery, illiteracy, female exploitation. Afghanistan is a prime example.. or Muslim northern Nigeria.

But even countries that have modeled themselves after Western political norms.. do NOT develop the same economic, cultural and scientific progress. More often the not they live in semi impoverished agricultural societies driven by stoop labour with only a semblance of cottage industry (and in constant political turmoil or tyranny).. or under moribund aristocracies living off the avails of oil.. and the expertise Western trained professionals.

 

[BaalsTears]

Islamism may be a reaction against Western cultural imperialism, e.g., feminism and LGBTQ rights.

 

[Goober]

Boomer
Best check your history books. Islam was head and shoulders above Europe up till the 12th century or so. Then there was a change within Islam itself.
Back then your ancestors bathed about once per year.

Round'em up and send those Sand Nigga's back to Camel Jockey land... the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

I don't like Muslims or Islam.

Islam - The Most Pathetic, Evil, Hateful Religion On Earth - YouTube

Your Muhammad had worms in his mouth before he died..!!!!

Muhammad is a false profit and a child rapist...

Can you tell me what a Muslim looks like?

 

[Praxius]

oh my, here we go again.

Hey Boomer and Blackleaf, do us all a favor and put your money where your mouth is.

Rather than acting all tough and righteous behind the so-called safety of your computer screens, how about you two grab a camera, head out on the streets, find some Muslims or walk into a mosque (there's lots of Muslims in those) and film yourselves preaching all this stuff to their faces like how the "only good Muslim is a dead one" or call them those terms you said above.

..... Then post that video on YouTube and link it here so we can see how it's done and how well that goes for you.

This thread is nothing but another bigotted soap box rant with nothing to really debate and isn't any different than someone going on in a similar fashion about Jews, or Christians, or other.

Yeah you say Muslim men commonly rape women..... And Christian figureheads like priests, bishops, ministers, etc. Molest and diddle little kids. Christians in certain areas of the world (even developed areas) will burn crosses in the yards of black people or beat and hang gay people or interracial couples.... The list goes on.

I don't excuse Muslim Extremists / Fundamentalists, but I don't excuse any other religious group either.

They all have their minor positives and have a large list of issues that are equally bad as the next. Trying to make one religion look worse than another ends up being nothing more than splitting hairs.

When one religion looks at their own problems, fixes them and proves they can maintain those fixes for a period of time, then they can have the right to finger wag at others.

 

[pgs]

oh my, here we go again.

Hey Boomer and Blackleaf, do us all a favor and put your money where your mouth is.

Rather than acting all tough and righteous behind the so-called safety of your computer screens, how about you two grab a camera, head out on the streets, find some Muslims or walk into a mosque (there's lots of Muslims in those) and film yourselves preaching all this stuff to their faces like how the "only good Muslim is a dead one" or call them those terms you said above.

..... Then post that video on YouTube and link it here so we can see how it's done and how well that goes for you.

This thread is nothing but another bigotted soap box rant with nothing to really debate and isn't any different than someone going on in a similar fashion about Jews, or Christians, or other.

Yeah you say Muslim men commonly rape women..... And Christian figureheads like priests, bishops, ministers, etc. Molest and diddle little kids. Christians in certain areas of the world (even developed areas) will burn crosses in the yards of black people or beat and hang gay people or interracial couples.... The list goes on.

I don't excuse Muslim Extremists / Fundamentalists, but I don't excuse any other religious group either.

They all have their minor positives and have a large list of issues that are equally bad as the next. Trying to make one religion look worse than another ends up being nothing more than splitting hairs.

When one religion looks at their own problems, fixes them and proves they can maintain those fixes for a period of time, then they can have the right to finger wag at others.

So it wasn't muslim's that abducted those Christian schoolgirls then ?
It wasn't muslims that flew planes into the world trade center .
Nope not muslims sending rockets into Isreal .
No muslims blowing up trains in Spain .
No muslims shooting up hotels in Mumbai .
Not muslims blowing up buildings in Bali .


People just don't get it Christians do the same sh-t all the time .
And don't let me get started on those pesky Buddists .

 

[Blackleaf]

The question should be why so many Muslim countries are so 'forward'. The fact is that the further Muslim societies get from influence of Western Christian culture.. the more they are inundated with tribalism, constant warfare, slavery, illiteracy, female exploitation. Afghanistan is a prime example.. or Muslim northern Nigeria.

Only a Guardianista or a Huffingtonian like yourself can blame the tribalism, warfare, illiteracy and female expolitation of Muslim countries on "the West" rather than on the true cause - Islam.

People like you just don't see things as they really are, and only see things the way you want to see them according to your left wing worldview.

 

[Dixie Cup]

oh my, here we go again.

Hey Boomer and Blackleaf, do us all a favor and put your money where your mouth is.

Rather than acting all tough and righteous behind the so-called safety of your computer screens, how about you two grab a camera, head out on the streets, find some Muslims or walk into a mosque (there's lots of Muslims in those) and film yourselves preaching all this stuff to their faces like how the "only good Muslim is a dead one" or call them those terms you said above.

..... Then post that video on YouTube and link it here so we can see how it's done and how well that goes for you.

This thread is nothing but another bigotted soap box rant with nothing to really debate and isn't any different than someone going on in a similar fashion about Jews, or Christians, or other.

Yeah you say Muslim men commonly rape women..... And Christian figureheads like priests, bishops, ministers, etc. Molest and diddle little kids. Christians in certain areas of the world (even developed areas) will burn crosses in the yards of black people or beat and hang gay people or interracial couples.... The list goes on.

I don't excuse Muslim Extremists / Fundamentalists, but I don't excuse any other religious group either.

They all have their minor positives and have a large list of issues that are equally bad as the next. Trying to make one religion look worse than another ends up being nothing more than splitting hairs.

When one religion looks at their own problems, fixes them and proves they can maintain those fixes for a period of time, then they can have the right to finger wag at others.

Unfortunately, extremist Muslim's are far worse than any Christians in recent times. Christians had (and may still have) their issues but they don't go around randomly killing children and women for perceived wrongs nor do they arm children with suicide bombs. Christians may not be perfect, but they sure's hell ain't anywhere close to these extremists. Governments need to stop being pansies and treat these guys for what they are - murders and barbarians - period!!!


JMO

 

[Blackleaf]

Rather than acting all tough and righteous behind the so-called safety of your computer screens, how about you two grab a camera, head out on the streets, find some Muslims

or walk into a mosque (there's lots of Muslims in those) and film yourselves preaching all this stuff to their faces like how the "only good Muslim is a dead one" or call them those terms you said above.

..... Then post that video on YouTube and link it here so we can see how it's done and how well that goes for you.

I've got no problem doing that. The Muslims, of course, as they always keep telling us, are a peaceful religion. Islam is the religion of peace. So I have no problem taking a video camera and travelling around Great Leverlamabad in Boltonstan and having the intelligent, thought-provoking debate that I and everyone else expect the Muslims to have with me when I criticise their medieval religion. Where's the problem?

I'm not too sure about walking into a mosque though. Christians are only allowed inside mosques on certain conditions, despite the fact that Muslims are allowed in Christian churches no matter what (ANYONE, even criminals on the run, are allowed inside a Christian church) and planes aren't even allowed to fly over some mosques in Muslim countries. Muslims get all uppity when Christians in Muslim countries wish to build churches, and on the odd occasion that churches are allowed to be built it's not long before they are in flames and surrounded by a large mob of bearded, swivel-eyed, foaming-at-the-mouth Muslims. Yet towns and cities in Protestant Christian countries like Britain are becoming dominated by huge, ugly mosques with tall minarets dominating the skyline. It shouldn't be allowed. Our towns should not be dominated by mosques when just 4% of people here are Muslims.

One of my local mosques in Bolton

This thread is nothing but another bigotted soap box rant with nothing to really debate and isn't any different than someone going on in a similar fashion about Jews, or Christians, or other.

This is a debate about how Muslim countries are so backward (and that's to do with the fact that they are Muslim countries, despite the fact that one poster tried to blame it on "the West").. This isn't a debate about Christianity or Judaism.

And Christian figureheads like priests, bishops, ministers, etc. Molest and diddle little kids. Christians in certain areas of the world

No. CATHOLIC priests do that. Don't tar all Christian denominations with the same brush.

Yeah you say Muslim men commonly rape women.....

Between 1997 and 2013, an investigation was conducted into child grooming - child molestation and rape - in the UK. 17 cases were investigated between November 1997 and July 2013.

These results were provided by Andrew Norfolk who was awarded the Orwell Prize for Journalism for his reporting on grooming gangs.

He was the only journalist who provided expert testimony to the House of Commons select committee, in their (2012-2013) investigation into the grooming gangs.

The investigation found that, in organised gangs, men groomed girls they met on the street. Most of the offenders were Muslims, most were of Pakistani origin, and most of the victims were white.

In fact, of the 100 convictions, 95 (so 95%) were Muslims, just 5 were non-Muslims and 20 were named Muhammad.

95% of Child Rape and Molestation Convictions in the UK Were Committed by Muslims | sharia unveiled

 

[MHz]

steady Boomer...be a shame to waste a thread by going over the top.

If this isn't that then what would be??

'the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.'

Bad ol Muslim, Iran 1950's nationalized the natural resources so the inhabitants got a bigger share of the profits until 'helped by the West'.
Bad ol Muslim, Afghanistan 1970's women out of the house and into Society as teachers, politicians, business CEO's until 'helped by the West'

If a list of social values were to be compiled that 'say included babies being killed due to acts of war' I would have to ask is wiping out a wedding party would be considered 'going over the top'. I'm pretty sure Muslims are not at the top of any list. Mind you a thread of this caliber is useful if you want to do some social bending. If 3/5 posts agree with the thread title then they need no further programing.

Who is on the list of past 'boogie-men' who are on a list of that nature while some names that should be at the top of the list aren't even on it? Can't say or they would be on the list like they should be. If Muslims are promoted as being a bigger threat to mankind than a rock from space then they probably are a threat to the master/slave society that has ruled the earth for at least the last 1,000 years.

Muslims could only be that if the world saw no violence before that religion existed. Didn't they 'pop up' as an alternative for Gentiles Holy Wars in/around Jerusalem based on NT teachings. Muslims includes Jesus as being a prophet, etc which is a higher rating than the ones from His own family that would fit the Matt:23 description. If we have the knowledge but not the strength to hold the values the 'West' preach about then it is time to let somebody else take the reigns and if they take revenge for the past then it isn't a step up in quality of life and their rules allow for a rule by a higher power than the individual but being less that God, or even being close to equal to God.

That would add some value to the thread in the first and the topic chosen for chastization happens to be a different identity every 10 years or so.

I've got no problem doing that. The Muslims, of course, as they always keep telling us, are a peaceful religion. ......
The investigation found that, in organised gangs, men .....

... of the Christian faith regularly had sex with minor children of either gender and were never prosecuted for their deeds because they flew to another country to do it before returning home where such acts would get you married to a sharp fencepost. Is that starting to define who 'us' is?

Everybody now knows the invasion of Iraq was a move that was long planned and yet it is allowed to exist as if there was no lie at all, rather than all the people getting a big fat check to cover their 'injuries' and ant refugees coming back get something more substantial than promises and the 'planning stage' is as far as it goes. The last big 'relief effort' by the West was Haiti, once the cameras left so did the caring and the hard relief cargo. If a 'different contractor' can promise and quickly deliver on those words (Putin is an example of that) then who would not prefer that choice? If it is a trap it will be hard to keep it a secret for long. China and Russia could do business without the West being able to anything but make vocal complaints that sees Russia being a mass importer and storage depot for goods coming to the Muslims who have been repressed from getting all the devices that run on electricity. In the past when the 'West' got the 'no bid contract' to install it 'nation-wide' only the 15% that 'they needed' got installed (at full contract price) and they called that profitable where installing it as the contract stated would have created a desire for the goods that get plugged in that is a major increase in items manufactured. If the system is designed to fail it might as well be when everybody has a cell-phone in their hand that if they die on a deserted dusty road.

 

[DaSleeper]

Compare a hundred years ago with to-day.......great!


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

 

[Praxius]

Blackleaf:

Catholic Priests do that? I know of many other cases where this occurred outside of Catholicism.

They're Christians none the less and if you want to throw moderate Muslims in the same category as the extremists, then i can do the same thing with moderate Christians and extremists like the nut jobs in Wacco TX, pedophile priests, fundamental christians who have their own military-style camps in the middle of the woods to train their members in combat and firearms for when the apocalypse comes, or the christians who shoot doctors in their own churches or homes because they perform abortions, or the christians who bomb abortion clinics, or the christians i mentioned before who burn crosses, beat, hang and otherwise kill minorities, homosexuals, interracial couples, or the christians who take their children out of school, brainwashing their kids and eventually marrying them and having more kids with them, or the christians who chop up their spouse and kids because God told them they were the devil.... Shall I continue?

and those Muslims who kidnapped those girls?

Al-Qaida Outraged Over Boko Haram Kidnap of School Girls

PointBlankNews » Al-Qaida Outraged Over Boko Haram Kidnap of School Girls

The group is also more of a cult that follows a leader name
Mohamed Yusuf, who says he speaks directly to God.

They're considered a cult by even the more extremist Muslims out there.

Yes the Wacco guys and much of the above I listed could be dubbed as cults as well, but again, you want to paint with one brush? I can do the same.

All Muslims are the same to you anyways, thus all Christians are the same to me..... Speaking as a former Christian myself.

Oh no Christians get a hard time when they want a church? And yet like a hypocrite you b*tch and moan about a mosque being built that you think is ugly. I don't find churches all that appealing myself. Still, you get constant protests in Canada, Australia, the UK and the US when Muslims want a mosque and people try to go to court or block their development anyway they can as if they're supposed to worship out on the street or travel 50km to the nearest one where you don't have to look at it or them for that matter, because regardless if they're moderates who work, pay their taxes, contribute to our societies and confirmed to our way of life & laws (with the exception of going Christian) they're not equal to you and are lesser human beings who should be eradicated off the planet.

Well go ahead little Christian boy, go grab your guns and get to work, George Bush's Crusade against the Evil Doers hasn't finished yet.... Keep fighting the good fight.

Christ, reading this thread makes me shake my head in real life. You aren't any better than those you complain about, you're worse. The extremist Muslims may spout hatred, wish for the death of westerners, etc. But you and your friends are doing the exact same thing. What makes you worse is that they have the balls to carry out what they say while you sit there like a chicken sh*t behind your computer spouting biggotry, hatred, ignorance, promotion of violence & genocide... Yet seem to want others to do the work for you because if the sh*t really hit the fan, you'd be the first ones to put your hands up in the air and proclaim, "Whoa whoa, I wasn't being serious, I was just screwing around."

I don't call for the genocide of anybody and i at least try to be tolerant to others as much as possible, but when my and my family's life and security is at risk from people like you or those you complain about, I will stand up, take arms and fight to the death.

I don't need to preach to others to do the dirty work for me and entice more hatred in the process. Leave me alone and i leave you alone. Believe what you want to believe and i will do the same..... But start forcing your crap down my throat (you, christians, muslims, jews, whoever) and risking violence on me and my loved ones and there's going to be a real problem that will be solved very quickly. As my father used to say: that's not a threat, that's a promise.

so if you're really that riled up over Muslims that you want a genocide to occur and think they should all die, then as they say: Nut Up or S...T...F...U.

Go grab your gun and bombs and make an example of how serious you truly are.

Go make your mark in the history books Hitler Jr.

 

[MHz]

....... Don't tar all Christian denominations with the same brush.

Sure you can and you can do it with the rules in 'their own book'. The fact that no Clergy in any of the 3500 denominatios will 'turn the others in' as that would pretty much void their 'tax-free' status that they currently enjoy as a 'group'. If God sees them as being just as guilty then I'm not sure why the Flock would not 'walk away' so protect themselves as being classified as being in sin. I'm pretty sure that is going to come as a surprise to much of the Clergy when they find out their future with God is going to go by His rules rather than theirs.

1Co:5:2:
And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned,
that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

1Co:5:5-6:
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh,
that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Your glorying is not good.
Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

The last sinners to ever be alive die at His return and they end up in hell alive where they are able to look on the one claiming to be God and he is in chains so there is a wide gap between the words and the ability to turn them into reality. The fate of those people is the same as the fate of all people not alive on the first day that is possible and they have something they are required to after the GWT event so they will also have eternal life eventually so the words above need all the references before that action fits into place as without the restriction they apply that verse could justify the killing of the sinners by 'the Church' when the only action authorized is to not sit and eat with them. (they would then move on before starving themselves) On the other hand if certain death is at hand it might be better to share the last sandwich rather that there being a fight to the death for it.

 

[Blackleaf]

... of the Christian faith regularly had sex with minor children of either gender and were never prosecuted for their deeds because they flew to another country to do it before returning home where such acts would get you married to a sharp fencepost. Is that starting to define who 'us' is?

The fact is that, in the investigation into child molestation and rape gangs in Britain between 1997 and 2013, 95% of those convicted were Muslims, the vast majority of those were of Pakistani origin (the Indians are sounds; it's the Pakistanis you want to be careful of), a fifth were called Muhammad and almost all of their victims were white girls.

In 2012 it had emerged that a rape gang in Rochdale, Lancashire, not far from where I live, were allowed to continue to go around targeting young white girls for rape and sexual abuse because all the perpetrators, except one, were Muslim men of Pakistani origin (the other one was a Muslim man of Afghan origin) because the police did not do anything about it because yes, youb guessed it, they were scared of being thought of as being racist if they did.

So we had the sickening situation in which a gang of Muslim men were allowed to continue raping white girls because police but political correctness before the welfare of the rape gang's victims.

Ann Cryer, who was then the Labour MP for Keighley, recalled in a BBC documentary filmed in 2012 that she had worked with the families of the victims involved, and had been "round at the police station virtually every week" and was "begging" both the police and social services to do something. However, Cryer said, "neither the police nor social services would touch those cases...I think it was they were afraid of being called racist."

Cryer also attempted to reach the Muslim community and persuade them to take action: "I went to a friend of mine, who was a local counsellor and happened to be a Muslim and therefore able to represent me to the elders, because I thought it was a good move to try to get those elders involved. I hoped that I would be able to persuade the elders to go knocking on doors and say 'this behaviour is un-Islamic and I want it to stop because I'm going l tell the whole community about you and what you’re doing if you don’t'. Now they weren’t prepared to do that."

A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population but, unbelievably, concluded that it was "irresponsible" to dwell on the data, again allowing PC sensibilities to override everything else. So the fact that a third of all rapes are committed by Muslims in areas where Muslims make up just 7% of the population will not be looked into and action will not be taken to find out why this is the case and how it can be stopped - all because it's not "PC" to do that.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochdale_sex_trafficking_gang#Trial_and_sentences

 

[MHz]

They're considered a cult by even the more extremist Muslims out there.

Yes the Wacco guys and much of the above I listed could be dubbed as cults as well, but again, you want to paint with one brush? .

The West can't admit to their being any Muslim but the ultra hard-liner because that is the only type the West can allow to 'exist' if their way of running things is to be preserved. It took until 1920 before women could vote in Federal elections in Canada. When Afghanistan got a Government that was willing to kill the overlords if they did not give control to a central Government voted in then they would be executed. The vast majority were behind that move because it was the only way to implement the UN human rights that was part of signing on at the UN, at least in theory, that it held as much water as any Treaty made with the NA Indians explains the 'fine print factor' of the UN in reality.

.....in the investigation into child molestation and rape gangs in Britain between 1997 and 2013, 95% of those convicted were Muslims, the vast majority of those were of Pakistani origin (the Indians are sounds; it's the Pakistanis you want to be careful of), a fifth were called Muhammad and almost all of their victims were white girls. ....

How many were there that were not investigated? The only example to compare that to is the Death Squads that were in South America after WWII until quite recently. In that case the answer would be 'lots and lots'.

it isn't like there are incidents like the 'Franklin affair' that come forward every day, do the same stats where rich white men go to indulge in their illegal activities and the Far-East is the latest place where no convictions does not mean there were not many crimes committed by the "Christian Westerners' who demanded such services at the brothels they visited.

 

[Blackleaf]

Blackleaf:

Catholic Priests do that?

I think the sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergyman is a well-established fact by now.

I know of many other cases where this occurred outside of Catholicism.

It's more rife amongst Catholics - for some unknown reason - than it is amongst Protestants such as Anglicans, Lutherans, Anabaptists, Calvinists and Seventh-day Adventists.

Within Christianity child rape is mainly a Catholic problem.

They're Christians none the less and if you want to throw moderate Muslims in the same category as the extremists, then i can do the same thing with moderate Christians and extremists like the nut jobs in Wacco TX, pedophile priests, fundamental christians who have their own military-style camps in the middle of the woods to train their members in combat and firearms for when the apocalypse comes, or the christians who shoot doctors in their own churches or homes because they perform abortions, or the christians who bomb abortion clinics, or the christians i mentioned before who burn crosses, beat, hang and otherwise kill minorities, homosexuals, interracial couples, or the christians who take their children out of school, brainwashing their kids and eventually marrying them and having more kids with them, or the christians who chop up their spouse and kids because God told them they were the devil.... Shall I continue?

The world is having far far more problems with Islamic fundamentalists at the moment that it is with Christian fundamentalists.

The odd person who just happens to be of the Christian faith who bombs an abortion clinic - and abortion is wrong, by the way - or shoots the odd person pales into insignificance compared to the amount of terror and killings that Islam is unleashing on the world at the moment.

Remember this - Christianity is the most persecuted religion in the world, and the vast majority of those people who are persecuting Christians are Muslims.

and those Muslims who kidnapped those girls?

Al-Qaida Outraged Over Boko Haram Kidnap of School Girls

PointBlankNews » Al-Qaida Outraged Over Boko Haram Kidnap of School Girls

They're considered a cult by even the more extremist Muslims out there.

Oh. That's alright then. If those lovely, enlightened, peaceful Al-Qaeda fellas are "outraged" over those kidnappings then it shows just what a peaceful religion Islam is in the main.

Maybe, instead of kidnapping schoolgirls, Boko Haram should fly passenger planes into skyscrapers or bomb Indonesian tourist resorts instead like those nice Al-Qaeda chaps.

All Muslims are the same to you anyways, thus all Christians are the same to me..... Speaking as a former Christian myself.

This is how it works in our Lefty Liberal-run Western world today:

When Anders Breivik shoots lots of children dead in Norway, he is instantly derided in the press as a "crazed Christian fundamentalist".

When a Muslim detonates a bomb killing lots of innocent people, we are told that "he does not represent Islam"; that "Islam is a religion of peace"; and that "most Muslims will be appalled at his actions and that he did not speak for Islam".

The next time a Muslim kills people in the name of his religion and a Christian also kills people in the name of his religion (a much rarer occurrence) you just look at the reactions of the press and TV news - apprently, it will be the case that the Muslim "did not represent Islam" but the Christian is "a crazed Christian fundamentalist".

Oh no Christians get a hard time when they want a church?

Yeah. Christians in Muslim countries find it very difficult to get a church built, yet we're only too happy in our Christian countries to pepper our skylines with mosques and minarets just to suit people who make up just a tiny proportion of the population.

And when Christian churches do get built in Muslim countries, it's not long before they are firebombed and destroyed by a bunch of mental, swivel-eyed, Islamic loons, unlike mosques in the West.

As I say, Christians are the most persecuted religious group in the world, yet this is ignored by the Liberal-controlled Western media.

And yet like a hypocrite you b*tch and moan about a mosque being built that you think is ugly.

There's nothing hypocritical about it. I don't want England's towns and cities being littered with big, intimidating mosques when only 4% of the people are Muslims. You try building a mosques in a Muslim country and see what happens.

I don't find churches all that appealing myself.

A medieval English village church is about the most beautiful building as it's possible to get. Far more beautiful than those imposing Islamic mosques with their intimidating minarets dominating the skyline.

Still, you get constant protests in Canada, Australia, the UK and the US when Muslims want a mosque and people try to go to court or block their development anyway they can as if they're supposed to worship out on the street or travel 50km to the nearest one where you don't have to look at it or them for that matter, because regardless if they're moderates who work, pay their taxes, contribute to our societies and confirmed to our way of life & laws (with the exception of going Christian) they're not equal to you and are lesser human beings who should be eradicated off the planet.

In a lot of cases Muslims in the west only want mosques to be built just to cause upset to the local community and as a way of showing who's "boss" in the area.

A perfect example of that is the sickening proposal to build a mosque near Ground Zero.

Christ, reading this thread makes me shake my head in real life.

"You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God", as one of the Ten Commandments says,you shameless blasphemer.

You aren't any better than those you complain about, you're worse. The extremist Muslims may spout hatred, wish for the death of westerners, etc. But you and your friends are doing the exact same thing. What makes you worse is that they have the balls to carry out what they say while you sit there like a chicken sh*t behind your computer spouting biggotry, hatred, ignorance, promotion of violence & genocide... Yet seem to want others to do the work for you because if the sh*t really hit the fan, you'd be the first ones to put your hands up in the air and proclaim, "Whoa whoa, I wasn't being serious, I was just screwing around."

I don't call for the genocide of anybody and i at least try to be tolerant to others as much as possible, but when my and my family's life and security is at risk from people like you or those you complain about, I will stand up, take arms and fight to the death.

I don't need to preach to others to do the dirty work for me and entice more hatred in the process. Leave me alone and i leave you alone. Believe what you want to believe and i will do the same..... But start forcing your crap down my throat (you, christians, muslims, jews, whoever) and risking violence on me and my loved ones and there's going to be a real problem that will be solved very quickly. As my father used to say: that's not a threat, that's a promise.

so if you're really that riled up over Muslims that you want a genocide to occur and think they should all die, then as they say: Nut Up or S...T...F...U.

Go grab your gun and bombs and make an example of how serious you truly are.

Go make your mark in the history books Hitler Jr.

I think I've hit a nerve there.

You're inane ramblings will never make me change my views.

it isn't like there are incidents like the 'Franklin affair' that come forward every day, do the same stats where rich white men go to indulge in their illegal activities and the Far-East is the latest place where no convictions does not mean there were not many crimes committed by the "Christian Westerners' who demanded such services at the brothels they visited.

95% of all those convicted of being part of rape gangs in Britain between 1997 and 2013 were Muslims, and all their victims were white girls.

A 2012 report by the Deputy children's commissioner said that 33% of child sex abuse by gangs in Britain was committed by Asians, where Asians are 7% of the population but, unbelievably, concluded that it was "irresponsible" to dwell on the data, again allowing PC sensibilities to override everything else.

The problem here isn't "rich white men". It's Muslims.

I know you lot think "rich white men" and "Western Christians" are the roots of all evil, but the stats above prove otherwise.

 

[pgs]

The West can't admit to their being any Muslim but the ultra hard-liner because that is the only type the West can allow to 'exist' if their way of running things is to be preserved. It took until 1920 before women could vote in Federal elections in Canada. When Afghanistan got a Government that was willing to kill the overlords if they did not give control to a central Government voted in then they would be executed. The vast majority were behind that move because it was the only way to implement the UN human rights that was part of signing on at the UN, at least in theory, that it held as much water as any Treaty made with the NA Indians explains the 'fine print factor' of the UN in reality.


How many were there that were not investigated? The only example to compare that to is the Death Squads that were in South America after WWII until quite recently. In that case the answer would be 'lots and lots'.

it isn't like there are incidents like the 'Franklin affair' that come forward every day, do the same stats where rich white men go to indulge in their illegal activities and the Far-East is the latest place where no convictions does not mean there were not many crimes committed by the "Christian Westerners' who demanded such services at the brothels they visited.

So white men visiting brothels is the same as brown men raping woman and black men abducting school girls to sell into slavery .
Right .

 

[B00Mer]

So it wasn't muslim's that abducted those Christian schoolgirls then ?
It wasn't muslims that flew planes into the world trade center .
Nope not muslims sending rockets into Isreal .
No muslims blowing up trains in Spain .
No muslims shooting up hotels in Mumbai .
Not muslims blowing up buildings in Bali .


People just don't get it Christians do the same sh-t all the time .
And don't let me get started on those pesky Buddists .

nice..

 

[MHz]

So white men visiting brothels is the same as brown men raping woman and black men abducting school girls to sell into slavery .
Right .

How dis Muslims now become 'brown people'?
Brothels that serve up children for rape and torture. Sex slaves would have rich whire men as their clients rather than the girls are taken back to the remote parts of some jungle and taught to cook and clean when they aren't being raped. Good thing the Mail Order Brides of the American West wasn't akin to slavery in any form.

 

[coldstream]

Only a Guardianista or a Huffingtonian like yourself can blame the tribalism, warfare, illiteracy and female expolitation of Muslim countries on "the West" rather than on the true cause - Islam.

People like you just don't see things as they really are, and only see things the way you want to see them according to your left wing worldview.

I suggest you read my post again, blackleaf. The point was specifically that the fundamental character and theology of Islamic society, all Islamic society, sabatoges its techological and cultural advance... and the integration of its adherants into other societies. It always will. Islam systematically undermines human reason and enterprise.

Nobody else on this forum has ever called me left wing on social issues. I suggest you actually read what you're commenting on.. instead of going off on some half baked, nonsense rant. You would appear less foolish.

I think the sexual abuse of children by Catholic clergyman is a well-established fact by now.



It's more rife amongst Catholics - for some unknown reason - than it is amongst Protestants such as Anglicans, Lutherans, Anabaptists, Calvinists and Seventh-day Adventists.

Within Christianity child rape is mainly a Catholic problem.

Your vast ignorance on the issue and your ability to stereotype is amazing blackleaf. You really don't have a clue. No surprise from an acolyte of the Church of England.. a political instrument cobbled together by England's great tyrant, Henry VIII.. to loot the Catholic monastaries and impose a religion on his country with only the most nominal and superficial relationship to Christianity.

 

[BornRuff]

Pretty much every society has done better off the more they stray from religion and base their laws on logic and facts.

The specific rules of each religion were all just put in place by those who were in power at the time. It worked at the time, but if you cling to these same rules forever, you are clinging to many things that are outdated and no longer relevant.

The "christian" societies that have done well have made a conscious effort to limit religious influence on government. The followers of Christianity have also constantly revised exactly what they choose to follow and what they don't.

If you tried to run a country based exactly on what is said in the bible you would end up pretty backwards too.