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Wow...OK...the debate (or the Harper bashing) is over. I was impressed at times with
Elizabeth May. I was impressed often by Steven Harper keeping his cool with all the others
talking out of turn while he was answering (or try'n to) their questions. A lesser man would
have been swinging a chair at the extreme, and asking the moderator to do his job as a
minimum.
The moderator, if people where going to speak out of turn and interupt others like young
children, should have done a much better job. "Act like a child, get treated like a child."
Some of those leaders should still have their noses in the corner. I'm voting for the adult.
Elizabeth May. I was impressed often by Steven Harper keeping his cool with all the others
talking out of turn while he was answering (or try'n to) their questions. A lesser man would
have been swinging a chair at the extreme, and asking the moderator to do his job as a
minimum.
The moderator, if people where going to speak out of turn and interupt others like young
children, should have done a much better job. "Act like a child, get treated like a child."
Some of those leaders should still have their noses in the corner. I'm voting for the adult.
In the debate????? Damn, I left for about 25 minutes total, never saw any mention of justice whatsoever. Figures.
Yes the Moderator lost control of it and blew it. Harper did well considering how the other 4 acted rudely.
The idiot just doesn't get it. Criminals will still get handguns, whether they are banned or not...
Oh, believe me, I fully understand the hike in housing prices and cost of living. My wife and I just purchased our first house earlier this year, its worth less now than it was when we bought it. If they freeze oil production, prices will fall far enough that I'll owe a hundred thousand more on it than its worth. And I'm in the IT sector, not oil.
On the other hand, there are plenty of monies going to infrastructure. Check for yourself.
As for a high school in your neighbourhood, I would suggest that there could be reasons for that. Often older areas do not have enough kids to justify building that kind of infrastructure. My neighbourhood doesn't have a high school either (its roughly thirty years old), but that doesn't mean that I can't see the evidence of oil monies in the economy.
In the end though, Alberta's infrastructure comes second to Canada's economic health. Alberta and Saskatchewan's oil, gas and mineral sectors are propping the national economy and keeping it running. You want to see recession? Stop the mineral wealth.
There's nothing wrong with encouraging renewable energy growth. There's nothing wrong with encouraging environmental protectionism. The problem comes when you advocate for radical change to an economy, and a radical shift in moving money from one area of the country (AB, SK) to another (ON, QC). That will crush Alberta and Saskatchewan's economies and with them will go the national economy. Reasonable, gradual change is the only way to keep this country going forward while we adjust ourselves to the needs of environmental policy.
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They're banned from the street now ... and always have been. Why is he the idiot? The point was ... there is no suggestion of confiscating handguns that AREN'T on the street.
I didn't fall asleep!
Best debate I have not falln a sleep through in a long time!...ExcelIent moderating...! I respect all the leaders..They do truly speak to the needs of Canadians .Even if I don't believe some....!Although It sounds like they all know the issues well...It would have been good to hear more facts on what they would actually do for Canada!...but what do you expect from politicians eh!.It was a well balanced debate ...!.The questions asked by viewers were excellent..I am still Proud to be a Canadian, again today.lol
Best debate I have not falln a sleep through in a long time!...ExcelIent moderating...! I respect all the leaders..They do truly speak to the needs of Canadians .Even if I don't believe some....!Although It sounds like they all know the issues well...It would have been good to hear more facts on what they would actually do for Canada!...but what do you expect from politicians eh!.It was a well balanced debate ...!.The questions asked by viewers were excellent..I am still Proud to be a Canadian, again today.lol
I enjoyed the debate very much 
and I'm very glad to hear the Harper majority is very likely a thing of the past. I really think Harper took a beating, I think he got a few black eyes and a bloody nose. How can he run a campaign with out a platform, I guess he really doesn't want anyone to know what he wants to do. How can anyone vote for a party that doesn't have a platform. I find this very suspicious and certainly would not vote for someone who doesn't put in writing what they plan to do. Jack Layton says he can't remember a time in history when a party didn't have a platform.
and I'm very glad to hear the Harper majority is very likely a thing of the past. I really think Harper took a beating, I think he got a few black eyes and a bloody nose. How can he run a campaign with out a platform, I guess he really doesn't want anyone to know what he wants to do. How can anyone vote for a party that doesn't have a platform. I find this very suspicious and certainly would not vote for someone who doesn't put in writing what they plan to do. Jack Layton says he can't remember a time in history when a party didn't have a platform.That has to suck. I watched many of my neighbours cash in last year and early this year and often wondered if I should too - but to do what? Unless I was planning to leave the province and buy cheaper elsewhere, it made no sense. I'm sorry you and your wife find yourselves in a loss situation right now, but I have to admit - I did wonder about all the people who were snapping up homes at such unbelievably inflated prices. Did nobody think the market was going to come down if they just waited a bit longer?
Thanks for the link - I'll check it out a bit more - it all looks pretty impressive on paper, but to me the proof lies in what reality greets me in my daily life. If and when I or my family actually benefit from a massive highway expansion to Fort Mac, I'll come back and make note of it. ;-)
Yes, I'm a bit skeptical... there is some mention of where money will be allocated, with a few bones tossed out to the rest of Alberta but with comments like: "By taking care of what we have and building where we need to build..." strewn about in that news release, it comes off alot like "We're gonna pour a sh*t-load of money into Fort Mac..."
hmmm I also see a total of 14 middle and high schools are to be built in Calgary, Edmonton, Okotoks, Langdon, Spruce Grove and Sherwood Park. 14 schools. Divided by 6 cities. I'd like to see the stats on how many students will actually have to share those schools. Like I said, it sounds good on paper... but when my daughter doesn't have to ride a bus 45 blocks to school, I'll come back and say we benefited from some infrastructure improvements thanks to the oil industry in Alberta.
Actually that's been an ongoing issue for many years here. In fact this is still very much a thriving, young community. What's happening is that rather than build schools to accommodate the students here, they're being bussed to neighbourhoods that are in population decline - they have schools, but not enough youth to fill them. The schools are old, and over crowded with the sheer numbers of kids that get bussed there from other neighborhoods. It's been the province's solution to the lack of educational facilities for decades now.
Frankly, as bad as a recession would be for all of us, I still think it would be the lesser of two evils in the long run. As we adapted to the evolutions taking place globally in green energy and technologies, we'd recover. We've dug ourselves into a bit of a pit by putting so many of our eggs in the oil barrell. We're gonna have to face the music sooner or later - I think it behooves us to do it now rather than make our kids pay for the party we had at their expense. (I say "we" euphemistically - I somehow missed my invite to the party too loll)
I don't believe it all has to be such doom and gloom. As I heard it explained, simply freezing production levels to where they're at right now (which is a whole lot different that the assumption that this means completely shutting oil production down), focusing on catching our infrastructure up to speed, and in the meantime beginning to shift our economic growth on all things green, we'd eventually be ok. If that forced other provinces to do the same, all the better.
We're not gonna make the transition into the next era without paying a price - it's inevitable. I think we have no choice but suck it up and get it over with. It's that or condemn our kids to an uncertain and angry future with environmental problems that may never be put right again. We just don't have the right to do that. It's a crime against humanity to leave a ravaged planet to them. If there's a price to be paid, it should be ours.
Sorry, I know it's unpopular to make anything other than money the primary basis for a decision, but I can't see how that can ever be justified as the highest priority when it's the only benefit with such immense consequences.
Thing is ... when they build infrastructure for boom towns, when things go bust, you end up with very expensive ghost towns. That's a good reason to freeze new production.
Re: Housing
For us it was a matter of a choice. We're young, actually both of us are students. We had just moved from our first place($650 including utils), a basement suite under a day home, bug infested, not sealed properly (mud flowed through our kitchen window onto our sink, counter, etc). To another basement suite ($1100/month plus utilities) that, after six months, had black mold covering every surface of our bathroom. With a landlord who's solution it was to clean it, and poorly reseal the leaking shower and tiles. This was what we 'upgraded' to. :-?
The option was to try another ****ty apartment, possibly one that would explode on us this timewink, or buy something as inexpensive as we could find in a decent neighbourhood. Note: inexpensive in Calgary is still more than three hundred thousand. :roll:
At the time, things were still looking like they'd be going up for a couple more years. Plus, even before the boom, housing was still running slightly higher than inflation.
Look, if my only motivation for voting was money, I'd be voting Conservative. However, my social conscience couldn't take it. I'll probably vote Green (not that it matters here), not because of their environmental policy, but because I think Canada needs the Greens (or someone like them). We are in a rut. Right now our politicians are all vying for who can score the biggest payoffs. And they're all wolves in sheep's clothing.
I just wish that I could let the pollsters know why I'm voting for the Greens, so that the other party's don't take it for a vote for insane environmentalism. :lol:
EDIT: Not that it matters anyways, the federal government does not have jurisdiction to do anything regarding oil sands projects. Natural resources being Provincial jurisdiction and all.
For us it was a matter of a choice. We're young, actually both of us are students. We had just moved from our first place($650 including utils), a basement suite under a day home, bug infested, not sealed properly (mud flowed through our kitchen window onto our sink, counter, etc). To another basement suite ($1100/month plus utilities) that, after six months, had black mold covering every surface of our bathroom. With a landlord who's solution it was to clean it, and poorly reseal the leaking shower and tiles. This was what we 'upgraded' to. :-?
The option was to try another ****ty apartment, possibly one that would explode on us this time
wink, or buy something as inexpensive as we could find in a decent neighbourhood. Note: inexpensive in Calgary is still more than three hundred thousand. :roll:At the time, things were still looking like they'd be going up for a couple more years. Plus, even before the boom, housing was still running slightly higher than inflation.
Look, if my only motivation for voting was money, I'd be voting Conservative. However, my social conscience couldn't take it. I'll probably vote Green (not that it matters here), not because of their environmental policy, but because I think Canada needs the Greens (or someone like them). We are in a rut. Right now our politicians are all vying for who can score the biggest payoffs. And they're all wolves in sheep's clothing.
I just wish that I could let the pollsters know why I'm voting for the Greens, so that the other party's don't take it for a vote for insane environmentalism. :lol:
EDIT: Not that it matters anyways, the federal government does not have jurisdiction to do anything regarding oil sands projects. Natural resources being Provincial jurisdiction and all.
We all know that the criminal will always get hand guns, it's always been that way, doesn't
mean everyone should have one, not at all.
I sometimes wonder if the indignation of the Albertans over any tough talk with regards to oil revenue, and exploration of greener energy is because if green energy surpassed oil as the fuel of choice, it would bankrupt the oil industry, then they would be in the same boat as the rest of the country...
Possibly worse, as I doubt it will be in Alberta that the next great alternative energy source is discovered and developed...
A have province relegated to have-not overnight, but with the super-inflated mortgage hanging over their weary heads...
If I was an Albertan, I'd probably be railing against alternative energy too...
I hear Alpaca farming is quite lucrative though...
Possibly worse, as I doubt it will be in Alberta that the next great alternative energy source is discovered and developed...
A have province relegated to have-not overnight, but with the super-inflated mortgage hanging over their weary heads...
If I was an Albertan, I'd probably be railing against alternative energy too...
I hear Alpaca farming is quite lucrative though...
Poll gives nod to Harper, with Layton second
Meagan Fitzpatrick, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, October 02, 2008
OTTAWA - Stephen Harper came out ahead of his political opponents in the English-language leaders debate Thursday night, but New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton was a formidable match for the prime minister, according to viewers who answered a survey during the broadcast.
The online Ipsos Reid poll conducted for Canwest News Service and Global National found 31 per cent of voters said Harper won the debate, and Layton was second with 25 per cent. In third place was the newcomer to the leaders' debates, Green Leader Elizabeth May, with 17 per cent of respondents saying she was the winner, followed by the opposition leader, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, with 15 per cent.
Meagan Fitzpatrick, Canwest News Service
Published: Thursday, October 02, 2008
OTTAWA - Stephen Harper came out ahead of his political opponents in the English-language leaders debate Thursday night, but New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton was a formidable match for the prime minister, according to viewers who answered a survey during the broadcast.
The online Ipsos Reid poll conducted for Canwest News Service and Global National found 31 per cent of voters said Harper won the debate, and Layton was second with 25 per cent. In third place was the newcomer to the leaders' debates, Green Leader Elizabeth May, with 17 per cent of respondents saying she was the winner, followed by the opposition leader, Liberal Leader Stephane Dion, with 15 per cent.
Do not agree.
Harper played it too close to the vest.
Civil yes, honesty though is not his strong point.
You answered your own question. They are already banned, to say they need to be banned shows he is talking without thinking.